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Title: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Tuesday 23 July 19 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi, 

I  hope someone here may be able to help with this last name.

person:
Karin Neilssen  (1) ....in Ships passenger list from Hamburg 1871  arrival port Hobart town, Tasmania. [Now part of Australia] eventually being in Rockhampton, Queensland, where she married, as below.

On this listing she is noted as Frau  which I think means Mrs. in English. 
   
(2) also  My grandfather's Birth Certificate  from Queensland Australia  1881. Mother Kate  no mmn.
               His sister   1883  her Certificate has Kate Neilssen as mmn
               His brother  1885  his cert has  Karin Nelson

(3)  The marriage Cert. for Karin and her husband Carl  1879  has Karin Neilssen as her last name. 

(4)   Also on this particular Cert both sets of their parents are given .

Karin Neilssen's  are Nils Larssen [father]  and Christina Jensen  [mother].

I have tried to find a birth cert for Karin  as either Neilssen or Larssen but I am stumped by what I cannot read.

(6)   My elderly Aunt has given me this information:  Karin Neilssen came from Jenarp, Sweden.  She apparently immigrated via Denmark and Germany.


The person she married in 1879  was Carl August Schmidt . He was from Copenhagen, Denmark.  He  immigrated in 1877 to Brisbane, eventually getting to Rockhampton, Queensland where he met and married Karin.

What I would like to understand is how she is Neilssen when neither of her parents are and how to interpret the Swedish documents.


 Many thanks for any help here,

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: PaulineJ on Tuesday 23 July 19 08:19 BST (UK)
Neilssen == daughter of Niels/ Nils.

Would explain a lot
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: SelDen on Tuesday 23 July 19 08:20 BST (UK)
Hello Essnell

It looks as if Karin was using a patronym, that is she is Using her father’s forename as the basis of her surname.

Familysearch.org has many useful wikis - here is one that may be helpful
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Scandinavia_Names?cid=bl-fsb-8280

In my experience you have to be very flexible with Scandinavian names. Karin could also be known as Nilsdatter/dotter. Or if her father had a byname (to distinguish him from the other Nils Larssons in the same village, or semi inherited from his father) then that may sometimes have been added to her name, but not always. If she married, she might sometimes be listed with her husband’s surname, sometimes with her own patronym ( or her husband’s or father’s byname). I found a family who had emigrated to the US had adopted the name of the hamlet the husband was born in. Surnames were fluid for some time after legislation requiring the adoption of surnames in the modern sense.

As the 19th century progressed, surnames became more stable, and those who emigrated to an English speaking country mostly settled on one surname on or after arrival. This would not necessarily be the same surname as other siblings.

On the bright side, images of Danish parish records are free online and census records going back to the late 18th century are increasingly available and indexed.
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: SelDen on Tuesday 23 July 19 08:28 BST (UK)
Here is a link to a wiki re Swedish research - go up a level and you will find links for the other Scandinavian countries
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Genealogy
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 23 July 19 08:49 BST (UK)
Duplicate post:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o38/


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 23 July 19 08:51 BST (UK)
Same situation in Shetland into the 18th century.

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 23 July 19 13:15 BST (UK)
Hi
When was Karin born?
I assume you have found Carl August in Denmark.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Wednesday 24 July 19 09:22 BST (UK)
Hi Everyone and thankyou for all the responses. 

Re the duplicate post  I tried posting a day or so earlier but could not find it in the list of "started by" so assumed it never was posted.

Now as far as I am aware Karin was born in 1857 in Jenarp or Jonarp Sweden.

Carl August Schmidt born in Copenhagen Denmark. I have not found his birth information.  I have spent quite some time on him and it was all the wrong family.   The one I found was way too young and the marriage in 1879 did not gel ..


I do have this ... His immigration details.
passenger no:   331 
Surname:   Schmidt   
Given Name:  Carl August
Town: Glostrup
State: Danemark
Standing: Arbeiter
Sex : M
Age: 22
Destination: Rockhampton
Ship Name: Charles Dickens
Year : 1878.


I think that the ship left in 1877 and arrived in Australia early 1878.

The above is off the passenger list on FindMyPast.

From the above information he would have been born in  1856. 

On the marriage certificate for Karin and Carl their ages are 23 for Carl and 22 for Karin.

Their first son Edmund was born in  1881  and their ages are Carl 25yrs and Karin24yrs.... [they have one deceased male child] all on Edmund's Birth Cert which I have just purchased.
 
Their marriage was in the town of Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.1879.

I think I have given all relevant information that is off records here.

thanks for any help.  i shall look into thse links provided.

regards

Essnell
 


 
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 24 July 19 09:47 BST (UK)
Hi
I found a Karin Nilsson and a Carl August Schmidt on the same Charles Dickens ship sailing from Hamburg on 6th Nov 1878 to Queensland. It looks as though they met on the boat over.

Karin Nilsson age 21 - page 227 - nr 317
Carl August Schmidt age 22 - page 229 - nr 402

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3a/


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 24 July 19 10:02 BST (UK)
This looks to be Carl August's birth record in Garnison Parish in Copenhagen nr 63:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=73915685


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Friday 26 July 19 09:34 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95,
 ;D   :)   
   
Wonderful   !!!  Thank you so much   I can get the info for the Charles Dickens here from Qld Customs House.  The Charles Dickens voyage ended in Moreton Bay.
    Karin's name never came up   so great find ..  yes they would have met on the ship. 2-3 mths on a sea voyage.

The other find is the Birth Record which is totally   WOW.    Can I ask  - Is his mother Anna Olsen ? Because they have used jensen on doc here in Australia.  so just checking.  It looks like the previous word is the same on other entries on the page and the "o" is a capital.   Is it in German or Danish?   

So Karin was born 1857 in Sweden in Jenarp or Jonarp.  I have no idea where that would be.     

Thanks so much and I am really really happy finding these.

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 26 July 19 09:54 BST (UK)
Cheers.
I am trying to locate her here in Sweden. But am having a bit of trouble in doing so.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: PaulineJ on Friday 26 July 19 14:55 BST (UK)
Could this be the place?
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Genarp_Parish,_Malm%C3%B6hus,_Sweden_Genealogy
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 26 July 19 15:07 BST (UK)
Yes it probably is. I have looked there but I haven't been able to find her.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 26 July 19 15:09 BST (UK)
There is also Hjärnarp pronounced roughly "yairnarp" which also could be a possibility.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Saturday 27 July 19 03:03 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95  amd PaulineJ,

Thank you for looking  --- if ou are having trouble i have no hope. 

Genarp sounds a real possibility. so close to what i was handed  "Jenarp"   I would say that this is a phonetic spelling here in Queensland in auast.  It happend so often.

 also the other one Hj....  .

both are an improvement on what i have which leads no where.

thankyou both

  I have found Karin on the immigration lists here as an Assisted Immigrant,  last name is Nilsson . I would say that is what she would have used in Sweden.

I shall have another try . let you know the outcome.

thanks again you are just fantastic to help.

Essnell.
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Saturday 27 July 19 04:03 BST (UK)
Hi  Jamcat95 and PaulineJ,

Tried anc'stry , my 'eritage and family 1st to no avail.    Best results were using Genarp 

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 27 July 19 11:10 BST (UK)
Here is Karen Nilsson from the Danish Emigration records:

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 27 July 19 11:11 BST (UK)
and Carl August Schmidt:

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 27 July 19 11:37 BST (UK)
I haven't had much luck in finding her at all so I'll post the links to the Parishes in question:

Genarp:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3l/

Hjärnarp:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o3m/


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 27 July 19 11:39 BST (UK)
Also this database for the south of Sweden which I must add does not have all records:
http://ddss.nu/


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Saturday 27 July 19 12:12 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95,

How great is this?  You have done a marvelous job and thank you so much.  I now have the best evidence of their coming from these places. So I am really really pleased.   
  It is a bit of a love story in the end. The ship docked in Rockhampton and they married there. 

They had a son in 1879  -  Harry William Schmidt - I would say "Henry" in reality. Unfortunately he died in 1881.     
I will keep all the links to archives etc and check periodically for Karin.  That would be the Icing on the cake.. but not for now. 
One day I will tackle her mother and father.
Thanks Ian       

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 27 July 19 12:49 BST (UK)

The other find is the Birth Record which is totally   WOW.    Can I ask  - Is his mother Anna Olsen ? Because they have used jensen on doc here in Australia.  so just checking.  It looks like the previous word is the same on other entries on the page and the "o" is a capital.   Is it in German or Danish?   


Hi
Do you have his parents' names?

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 27 July 19 13:40 BST (UK)
I'm not sure if there is any extra info of the departures from Hamburg.

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/hamburgpl_full/

I can see a Karren Lassen departing that year. some of those records do have a home/street address.
No sub at the moment

Pauline
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Sunday 28 July 19 06:46 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcar95,

Yes< I do have his parents.   they were given as:-

                           Carl Wilhelm Schmidt  and    Anna Jensen

On the birth Cert you found for him in copenhagen  the father is exactly right.

Hi mother has Anna as the given name  and I think the Last name is Olsen.   Am I right on this.    Would the word preceding this one be "formerly"  or what would be used for that. 

Even so I think that this is actually his record.

thanks again

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Sunday 28 July 19 07:34 BST (UK)
Hi PaulineJ,

Thankyou for looking into the Hamburg Achives.

I followed the link but the details given do not fit anything related to Karin. So I don't think any of them are her.
  Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 July 19 08:05 BST (UK)
It says Anna née Olsen.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 July 19 08:26 BST (UK)
Hi Essnell

Could you also look up on Ancestry the following 5 Karna emigrants:

All from "Sweden, Emigrants Registered in Church Books, 1783-1991"

Karna Nilsson going to Köpenhamn Danmark
Karna Nilsdotter going to Bornholm Danmark
Karna Nilsdotter going to Köpenhamn Danmark
Karna Nilsdotter going to Danmark
Karna Nilsdotter going to Danmark

Thank you.
Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 July 19 12:17 BST (UK)
Also, where did you get Karen's parents' names from.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 July 19 12:47 BST (UK)
Carl August and family in the 1870 Copenhagen Census:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=11861485


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 28 July 19 12:54 BST (UK)
Carl August and family in the 1860 Copenhagen Census:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=248700


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 29 July 19 01:25 BST (UK)
HI Jamcar95,

You have been busy again.. thankyou..   

I shall look up those Karna  immigrations  shortly.  It is just mid morning here.   I will let you know what I find. 

I got karin's parents' names off the marriage certificate for Karin and Carl from Queensland, Australia.  I purchased the Certificate.  it would have information only as they supplied and then recorded by, in this case, the Minister who  performed the marriage.   They were married in the Primitive Methodist Church.   

i have been wondering lately if Carl August had any family,  so those Census records are another great find by you.  I have yet to look at them.  Thank you again.

I will post the info on Karna later

Cheers
Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 29 July 19 04:36 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95,

i have done the searching. I am not able to specify a particular part of Denmark for arrival  Just Danmark

for Karna Nilsson    8 records    [6 arrival Denmark   1 arrival Kopenhamn  1 arrival  Bornholm]


for Karna Nilsdotter  there are 16 records.  :-

[6 arrival Denmark     6 arrival Kopenhamn  3 arrival  Bornholm] 

Under Karna Nilsson there are two  Karin   one is married one is not.

This unmarried one  left from Kronoberg, Agunnayrd  year 1874  on 21st December  to Danmark - no other place recorded.   She was born in 1853  which makes her 21 yrs old unmarried and traveling alone.

I am not sure what you expected to find but I hope the above is helpful. I have add the links to the results below 

https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/swedishemigrantindex/?name=Karna_Nilsson&birth=1858&arrival=_denmark_5071&arrival_x=_1-0&departure=1870_sweden_5216&departure_x=5-0-0&f-Self-MaritalStatus=Unmarried&gender=f&_phtarg=Bpo2167%2CBpo2168



https://www.ancestry.com.au/search/collections/swedishemigrantindex/?name=Karna_Nilsdotter&birth=1858&arrival=_denmark_5071&arrival_x=_1-0&departure=1870_sweden_5216&departure_x=5-0-0&f-Self-MaritalStatus=Unmarried&gender=f

I have examined both Census recs and those are simply great.  he has a family!!


thanks
Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 29 July 19 08:28 BST (UK)
Hi
Thanks for that.
I was hoping that the Parish was recorded. I have a feeling that the given names are incorrect. I might be wrong but I just cannot find a link to them. The place name Jenarp is an odd one. Is it a Parish or a village/farm. There is a Gonarp and a Jonarp in Näsum Parish. I have looked there without success.

I also wonder how her surname was, I mean, was she a daughter of a Nils or just used her father's surname Nilsson. I have seen a father's christian and surname swapped before meaning that he may well have been a Lars Nilsson.

I believe also that her christian name might well have been Karna and she changed it to Karen when she left for Australia.


Can you post all their children's names please, it might help a little.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 29 July 19 11:33 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcar95

Children of Carl August Schmidt  and Karin Neilssen  [[Spelling as used mostly here] 

Harry William  Schmidt    born 1879  Rockhampton, Qld. Australia.     Mother's name Karen Neilssen
   died 1880  as Henry William Schmidt  mother   Karen Neilsen.

Edmund Wilhelm  Schmidt  born 1881  Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.   Mother's name Kate

Agnes Gertrude Schmidt  born 1883   Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.   Mothers name Kate Neilssen

August Henry {Edgar}  Schmidt  born 1885  Emerald, Queensland, Australia .
    Mother's name   Karin Nelson.

I can supply the Queensland Registration Nos if required. 
To family Karin was known as Kate.
 
Hope this is of some help.

Going back to those Karna records  there are place names that they left from  would these help. 

And which ones would you need to see?

thanks again
Essnell.
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 29 July 19 11:52 BST (UK)
Hi again JAmcar95,

Missed this in reply;     I was given the name Jenarp by my elderly Grand Aunt.   It is also on their son's Birth Certificate  [Edmund Wilhelm  Schmidt]. i have no idea of where it is or if it is a farm, Parish, Town or what.

On the marriage certificate for Carl and Karin karin's birth place is given and Jonarp.     

what I can do is get one of the other children's birth certificate  and see what that says. 

I will let you know asap.  It can be got online as a pdf photocopy. 

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 29 July 19 12:50 BST (UK)
HI Jamcat95,

does this help any....  i have looked up the place on google  as Jenarp  comes up as Genarp. 

Now given these people came here 150 yrs ago it has occurred to me that places may have changed so looked  up Jenarp as in 1870's   name comes up as Jernarp   which is then renamed  to

Hjä́rnap        the Pastorat  [parish]   is    Hjärnarp och Tästarp ..


The whole thing was in  Swedish, so I am hoping I have got it right.

Regards
Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 29 July 19 22:16 BST (UK)
Hi
Jenarp is pronounced "yearnarp" in Swedish. Genarp is also pronounced "yearnarp". So I am really believe she came from Genarp, but I cannot find her.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Tuesday 30 July 19 03:11 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95,

I have just downloaded the birth cert for Harry William born December 1879 .His mother's name is Karen formerly Neilssen  and  her place of origin is still Jenarp  which I believe should have been spelt Genarp.


Now the "formerly" wording is not on Edmund's certificate. 

I am wondering if , for some reason, she had decided to just up and leave and used whatever name she thought sounded Ok.

I have been looking for the parents  Nils Larssen and Christina Jensen but not getting anywhere. 

Did Sweden have census recs of a sort between 1855 and 1875, that might show something!?   
 
Please do not fret over the Census just curious .

Thanks again for all the lookups and what has been found. 
 
Cheers Essnell

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 30 July 19 12:37 BST (UK)
Hi
At last I have found her. All I can say for now is that the was illegitimate and had also an illegitimate child herself which died very young. I am on holiday at the moment and don't have access to a computer. I will post my findings in a couple of days.

I had to start again re-thinking that she may have been illegitimate and she was.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Wednesday 31 July 19 08:38 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95,

Wow! Absolutely brilliant. 

I cannot say how good this is.    Enjoy your holiday you deserve It .. Post when you get back.

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 02 August 19 12:20 BST (UK)
Hi

1857 6 Aug - Karna's (Karen) Birth - Genarp Parish - nr 46:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4g/

1871 - Household Examination Book - Genarp Parish - Karen - nr 22:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4h/
Nils Larsson is on row 18.

1874 - Household Examination Book - Västra Alstad Parish - Karen - nr 12:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4i/

1875 - Household Examination Book - Malmö St Petri Parish - Karen - nr 22:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4j/

1877 - Household Examination Book - Kropps Parish - Karen - nr 19:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4k/

1878 - Household Examination Book - Bjuvs Parish - Karen - nr 2:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4l/
"Certificate to Australia dated 23 Aug 1878" is recorded.

1878 - Household Examination Book - Bjuvs Parish - Karen - nr 24:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4m/
"Australia" is recorded.


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 02 August 19 12:23 BST (UK)
Christine Westerdahl (Jönsdotter):

1824 22 Nov - Christine Jönsdotter - Skurups Parish - Father Jöns Westerdahl:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4n/

1880 - Household Examination Book - Genarp Parish - Christine - nr 22:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4o/
At top is divorced Lars Nilsson.


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 02 August 19 12:27 BST (UK)
Karna Nilsdotter and Olof:

1877 9 Mar - Illegitimate - Birth Olof - Kropps Parish - nr 5:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4p/

1877 18 Apr - Death Olof - Kropps Parish - nr 14:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4q/
Recorded: "Cause of death concealed. Body found 6 May dead in chest".


Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Saturday 03 August 19 07:24 BST (UK)
Hi Jamcat95.

What a sad and awful life she had up until  she left.   

Thank you so much for persevering and finding these records.  I now have a person and a life behind the name.

I never knew Karin[Karna] . She died long before I was born. 
Seems she met another man and it seems she lived with him. Yet to find a marriage but she died using his surname which is not usual here in Australia.

I have just found the new marriage, 1908 in Brisbane, 11 yrs before Carl August died.
  Now to see if she divorced him or WHAT?   

Thank you so much for all you have done.  I am very appreciative of your time and effort.

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 03 August 19 09:59 BST (UK)
Cheers and you're welcome. I can be a wee bit stubborn at times.

I assume you are from Australia, if so, you don't happen to watch the Ashes cricket by any chance?
I am just waiting for day 3 to start and a whole day of cricket in front of me.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Monday 05 August 19 01:33 BST (UK)
Hi

Yes I am from Australia  and I do follow the cricket. I watch the tests at times, depends on whether I have family around. We have a summer series here between the states and one that has teams from the major cities  BBL  ie Big Bash League. those are usually day/night events like 20/20and are really exciting. The guys playing those really slog the ball in an attempt to send it out of the oval and into the stands or wherever.
The spectators then try to catch it.  Seems to be a issue.  don't know if they get anything or not for doing so.

I like Australia to win but if they do not play well and get beaten ..such is life.
Being an Aussie is a bit of a two edged thing for me as most of my immediate past family are all from England or Ireland  with a smattering of this Danish Swedish line.   So I get a bit torn between the two.

Enjoy the cricket 

Thanks again for all you have found.   After putting all this in perspective I will consider the next way to go.

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Thursday 17 October 19 11:12 BST (UK)
Hello Jamcat95,

Hope you see this post.   I am after some help with the following:  Post no#42  that you made  part of below

Christine Westerdahl (Jönsdotter):

1824 22 Nov - Christine Jönsdotter - Skurups Parish - Father Jöns Westerdahl:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o4n/

I am having some trouble actually making complete sense of all the names it contains

I have Christina  Jönsdotter who is also Christina Westerdahal  her father being Jons Westerdahal.  There are also these persons:
     
                  Anna Rassminsdotter   
       
                  Elena Jappal Dotter

                  Pigan Mastta Jönsdotter

They are numbered as in No2 or no3  and referred to Can you explain what was recorded.

I suspect they might be relatives or godparents  etc. 

sorry to be a pest. It has me very curious.   
 
Thanks Jamcat95 or anyone else who might help with this bit.

Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 17 October 19 11:34 BST (UK)
Hi,
No problems.

Translation:

November 22 born and christened 23.
Blacksmith Jöns Westerdahl and his wife Hanna Rasmusdotter's daughter from house Nr2 Sandåkra named Christina.
Schoolmaster's wife Elna Jeppesdotter from Nr1 Sandåkra Näs.
Witnesses: Farmer Lars Mårtensson at Nr15 Sandåkra, Blacksmith journeyman Nils Ahlström at Nr2 - Farm-maid Mätta Jönsdotter from Nr3. Farm-maid Anna Rasmusdotter from Nr1.
Mother 23 years old.

Ian



Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Friday 18 October 19 14:33 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks Ian, that is really great.  Didn't get it all that clear but it was a tad blured.  Now I know the whole story. 

Here in Australia I have found that she married again in 1908  but Carl August did not die till 1919.
Karin died quite some time after Carl and was buried with her new name Eggert.

Thus there is still a bit more to find out.   

Thankyou again

Cheers
Essnell.
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 18 October 19 14:37 BST (UK)
Cheers Essnell,
Anymore queries?...... just ask away.

Ian

Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: luapllirk on Saturday 17 October 20 12:02 BST (UK)
Hi Essnell,
I am from Sweden and I have further info as to your relative Karin Nilsson born 1857 in Genarp.
Paul
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: Essnell on Sunday 18 October 20 03:02 BST (UK)
Hi Paul, 

I don't quite know what to say here.  I never expected to get any further information on any of what is in this thread. Jamcat95 has been a tremendous help and I am really grateful to him.  Thank you for contacting me.

As time has passed a little I have begun to wonder about other's who may be in Sweden. 

Did you see my reply on your first post?
 Karna has been so difficult to track down so I am quite surprised by of this.
I am going to PM you.

Kind regards
Essnell
Title: Re: Swedish and Danish lastnames
Post by: luapllirk on Sunday 18 October 20 17:26 BST (UK)
Hi again,
My name is Paul Krill and I was born in Malmo a city in Skåne which is the southmost province in Sweden. My mothers mother and her husband were both born about 15 km from Genarp.
The real background for my contact is that I had a DNA-test and found to my surprise that I have quite som matches in Australia. I also have a genealogy friend and relative who made the same experience. When we then found out that Karna - a past relative of us - emigrated to Australia 1878, we began to search for her. I googled on something (?) and stumbled across Rootschat and your search for the background of Karna. This seemed as a real luck stroke.
Karna was as you know the daughter of man with the first name Nils - thus the family name Nilsdotter. Karna is the local version of the Swedish name Karin in Skåne. When she emigrated she altered her name to Karin Nilsson. I have then read your comment that she was called Kate within the family in Australia.
I will be most glad to share details as to Karna incuding her larger Swedish family - incuding parts of the family tree). (If I will be successful with sending this message to you.
By the way: I used the word "follower" as a translation of the Swedish "efterföljare".
Best regards
Paul