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Title: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 26 July 19 19:52 BST (UK)
John (known as Jack) Bateman (1856-1955) is my great grandfather by his second wife Mary Ann, nee Park.
I have no details concerning his first wife, but he would be ca 25 in 1881, so might possibly be married to her at that time. If so, the 1881 census for John Bateman (blacksmith at Patton Bridge, Grayrigg) would be very helpful.
Does anyone have access to that census, please?

I would be very grateful for any pointers
with many thanks
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: emeltom on Friday 26 July 19 20:23 BST (UK)
I can find him in 1871 in Patton Bridge with parents William and Eleanor and after that he just disappears.

There is a marriage in Kendal RD in 1882 for a John Bateman to a Jane Rawes which may or may not be him.

Emeltom
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 26 July 19 20:34 BST (UK)
Emeltom:
thank you so much for the prompt reply.
It all helps to build up the picture  :)
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: rosie17 on Friday 26 July 19 20:56 BST (UK)
There is this record 1881 address 16,Fell Side Firbank Westmorland
Eleanor Bateman at 45 born Westmorland widow farmer of 28 acres
John Bateman age 25 born Patton Westmorland unmarried farmers son
James Bateman age 13 born Patton Westmorland
Ellen Bateman age 6 born Patton Westmorland

Probate for his father William Patton ( blacksmith ) died 8 January 1875 Patton Bridge

Rosie
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: rosie17 on Friday 26 July 19 21:05 BST (UK)


There is a marriage in Kendal RD in 1882 for a John Bateman to a Jane Rawes which may or may not be him.

Emeltom

There is a possible death for a Jane Bateman age 23 Kendal Westmorland

Rosie
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 26 July 19 21:21 BST (UK)
Rosie17:
thank you indeed (for two prompt replies)
There's quite a lot there that matches the bits and pieces of information that I think I know (various corroboration is needed). The matches are:
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 27 July 19 05:31 BST (UK)
Hi nametabpoppy , I got the information from Ancestry ..As a new starter to genealogy it is always best to check as much information yourself and  then confirm the information from your cousins tree ...You can search www.familysearch.org which is a free site  if you put in John Bateman born 1856 Westmorland there are several records there ..Including the 1881 census
Hope this helps good luck with your research and if you need anymore help just let us know

Rosie  :)
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Saturday 27 July 19 08:37 BST (UK)
Rosie17
thank you again for your courtesy and support
On with the search :)
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 31 January 20 20:11 GMT (UK)
Following the previous posts from various helpful contributors, part of which concerned a putatative Jane Rawes, who may or may not have been the first wife of my 2xgrandfather John Bateman, I have been able to confirm that Jane Rawes was indeed the very person.

The breakthrough turned out to be two specific details from a proper copy of their marriage certificate (19-04-1882). Jane Rawe's father is given as William Rowlandson, and one of the witnesses was an Agnes Brownrigg.

Further digging and cross-correlation revealed that Jane's mother (Agnes Rawes) was single when Jane was born in 1860 at Dobsole (Dob's Hole) Lambrigg, but married William Rowlandson very shortly after (perhaps within weeks). In subsequent records (eg 1861 and 1871 censuses), Jane is then listed as Jane Rowlandson. So, no wonder it was difficult to find her in the years between her birth and marriage.

As to Agnes Brownrigg, she turned out to be Jane's first cousin - the daughter of Isaac & Isabella (nee Rowlandson) Brownrigg. Isabella being the sister of William Rowlandson. At the time of Jane's wedding she and Agnes Brownrigg were living on adjacent farms (Whin How & Deep Slack, Whinfell) - both run by the Rowlandson family.

Many thanks again to those who first provided hints and possibilities for a Jane Rawes. Without those kind contributions, I wouldn't have had a starting point, other than family memory that John Bateman was indeed twice married. Poor Jane died at 23, a year or so after her marriage.

Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 31 January 20 21:11 GMT (UK)
There is this record 1881 address 16,Fell Side Firbank Westmorland
Eleanor Bateman at 45 born Westmorland widow farmer of 28 acres
John Bateman age 25 born Patton Westmorland unmarried farmers son
James Bateman age 13 born Patton Westmorland
Ellen Bateman age 6 born Patton Westmorland

Probate for his father William Patton ( blacksmith ) died 8 January 1875 Patton Bridge

Rosie

Dec 1855 Kendal 10b 803
BATEMAN William
NICHOLSON Ellen

BATEMAN, JOHN mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1856  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 548

BATEMAN, MARY mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 512

BATEMAN, WILLIAM mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 538

BATEMAN, ELIZABETH mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1861  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 573

BATEMAN, MILES mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1863  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 624

BATEMAN, FANNY mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1864  D Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 576

BATEMAN, MARGARET mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1866  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 591

BATEMAN, JAMES mmn NICHOLSON
GRO Reference: 1867  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 602

BATEMAN, SARAH  AGNES mmn NICHOLSON died 1872
GRO Reference: 1870  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 636

BATEMAN, ELEANOR mmn NICHOLSON  died 1872
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 648

BATEMAN, ELLEN mmn NICHOLSON 
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 691

1861 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M754-6WS

1871 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55W-7K6

1881 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GPYW

Miles 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GRZY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Y72-22M
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X917-557
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJY-WQK

Marriage: Mar 1890 Kendal 10b 969
BATEMAN Miles       
PUNCH Frances Jane

BATEMAN, JOHN  WILLIAM mmn PUNCH 
GRO Reference: 1891  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 733

BATEMAN, JAMES mmn PUNCH 
GRO Reference: 1893  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 763

BATEMAN, EVA mmn PUNCH 
GRO Reference: 1896  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 698

BATEMAN, ALBERT mmn PUNCH 
GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 717

Fanny 1881, 1891, 1901, 1911:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GY47
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Y3J-SZM
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X917-XP7
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JJ-C86

Jun 1885 Kendal 10b 1107
AIREY Adam
BATEMAN Fanny

AIREY, JOHN mmn BATEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 701

AIREY, WILLIAM mmn BATEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 733

AIREY, ELEANOR mmn BATEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 653

AIREY, ISAAC mmn BATEMAN died 1974
GRO Reference: 1891  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 749

AIREY, JAMES  ROBINSON mmn BATEMAN died 1894
GRO Reference: 1893  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 744

AIREY, ELIZABETH mmn BATEMAN died 1897
GRO Reference: 1896  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 702

AIREY, MILES mmn BATEMAN died 1973
GRO Reference: 1898  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 713

AIREY, ADAM  BATEMAN mmn BATEMAN died 1977
GRO Reference: 1900  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 761

AIREY, ROBERT  SEPTIMUS mmn BATEMAN died 1903
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 763

AIREY, THOMAS  NATHAN mmn BATEMAN died 1973
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 806

AIREY, FRED mmn BATEMAN 
GRO Reference: 1909  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 828

Deaths:

Sep 1918 Kendal 10b 858
AIREY Adam 65

Dec 1937 Westmorland S. 10b 859
AIREY Fanny 70

Mar 1973 WESTMORLD S 1B 1756   
AIREY Thomas Nathan 2 March 1905

Dec 1973 WESTMORLD S 1B 1536
AIREY Miles 27 Jan 1898

Sep 1974 KENDAL 1 434 and 454
AIREY Isaac 20 March 1891

Sep 1977 LANCASTER 40 1622
AIREY Adam Bateman 23 Nov 1899

Marriage:

Sep 1925 Kendal 10b 1401
NICHOLSON John T
AIREY Eleanor


William Jnr 1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GTKG

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 31 January 20 21:51 GMT (UK)
Jamjar
Thank you for your very prompt post, with so many good references.
As it happens, I have located several of them over the last few months, but thank you for your trouble.
Do you have a particular interest in the Bateman family?
with best wishes
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 31 January 20 21:54 GMT (UK)
No, just filling in time until breakfast.  ;D

Have added to above post.

Anything you need searching for?

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Friday 31 January 20 22:59 GMT (UK)
Jamjar
thank you again for the updates - again some of which I'm already aware (but not all).
You strike me as someone who has a very efficient filing & cross-referencing system
As to your open-ended offer - there are umpteen sources that I would ultimately wish to unearth, but I can't presume to flood anyone. The Bateman clan is prolific in Westmorland through many generatons.
As it happens, the family background of John Bateman's (1856-1925) second wife - Mary Ann Park (1870-1955) isn't particularly well documented. Her father was a Robert Park. so, any snippets welcome.
Your remark about pre-breakfast makes me wonder about your location. I am in UK, time now 23.00 hrs
many thanks
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 31 January 20 23:07 GMT (UK)
I’m in NSW, Australia.  ;D

Flood away.  :)

Shall have a look at PARK.

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 01 February 20 00:21 GMT (UK)
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7BW-9T3

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55W-NX5

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55W-NXN

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4YSY-CN2

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91Q-TPD

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JJ-CQ2

Dec 1854 Sedbergh 9a 1
PARK Robert
CLARKE Agnes

PARK, JAMES mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1855  M Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A  Page 2

PARK, THOMAS mmn HARK 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A

PARK, ELIZABETH mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1858  J Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A  Page 1

PARK, JOHN mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1860  J Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A  Page 1

PARK, RICHARD mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1862  J Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A  Page 1

PARK, JANE mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1865  J Quarter in SEDBERGH  Volume 09A  Page 1

PARK, ELIZABETH mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 638

PARK, AGNES mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1867  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 595

PARK, WILLIAM mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 586

PARK, MARY  ANN mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1871  D Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 615

PARK, MARGARET mmn CLARK 
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 728

Agnes Jnr with Bateman, 1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GGG3

Do you have Mary Ann in 1881? Could this be her?:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GG28

Deaths:

Jun 1904 Kendal 10b 458
PARK Robert 74   

Mar 1921 Kendal 10b 995
PARK Agnes 86

Jamjar

Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Saturday 01 February 20 22:24 GMT (UK)
Jamjar
Many thanks again - your key extra information this time was the maiden name (Clark) for the mother of the many children of Robert and Agnes Park (I hadn't tracked down these birth records).
I had suspected that Mary Ann's mother's maiden name might be Clark, but the connection with all these possible siblings had yet to be made.
One of the tantalising gaps in records is that all these siblings appear in censuses with Robert & Agnes Park as head and wife at some stage, whereas Mary Ann is the only one who does not appear with whom I now am confident are her parents.
I agree that it is likely she is the Mary Park lodging with Mary Hoggarth in 1881.
The unravelling also confirms that the widow Agnes Park living with John and Mary Ann Bateman at Mountain View in 1911 is indeed Mary Ann's mother.

Many thanks again
My next focus is to locate parents of Robert Bateman (ca 1815-1890), wheelwright & carpenter at Beck Foot, Westmorland.
nametabpoppy

Please
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 01 February 20 22:38 GMT (UK)
Looks like Robert was born 1812:

1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M77V-BM8

1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYR-GKJ

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M754-DYM

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55W-NFP

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-GGF6

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 01 February 20 22:48 GMT (UK)
Mother’s mmn:

BATEMAN, MARY mmn POSTLETHWAITE 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in ULVERSTONE UNION  Volume 25  Page 178

BATEMAN, ELEANOR mmn POSTLETHWAITE 
GRO Reference: 1841  M Quarter in KENDAL UNION  Volume 25  Page 483

BATEMAN, BETSY mmn POSTLEWHAITE
GRO Reference: 1843  S Quarter in KENDAL UNION  Volume 25  Page 461

BATEMAN, MILES mmn POSTLEWHAITE
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in KENDAL UNION  Volume 25  Page 461

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 01 February 20 23:04 GMT (UK)
A tree has Robert as son of Myles Bateman and Margaret CASSON:

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L66M-1QG

Has his marriage as 7 April 1836, ULVERSTON

Jamjar
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Sunday 02 February 20 18:21 GMT (UK)
Jamjar
thank you again
As before, some information I already had, but also there are some new sources.
The MyHeritage tree is (as is often the case for such sites) full of branches to explore.
I always take care with their interpretation, but it is an excellent starting point for future exploration.

I will have to tend to other things for now, so won't trouble you for a while.
Perhaps I would PM you in future?
With best wishes

Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Saturday 25 April 20 20:21 BST (UK)
Hello Jamjar
I'm wondering whether you might have any information on the marriage of William Bateman (b ca 1801) and Mary Fawcett (b ca 1806). MyHeritage reckons it is in 1825 in Firbank, Westmorland, but I can find no corroborative evidence. Any clues would be gratefully received.
with best wishes,
Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 25 April 20 22:39 BST (UK)
No, I can’t help you with that one.

I only have access to free sites. So, if you can’t see it on FamilySearch or FreeReg, neither would I.  :-\

Jamjar

Title: Re: 1881 Census John (Jack) Bateman, Patton Bridge, Westmorland
Post by: nametabpoppy on Sunday 26 April 20 09:59 BST (UK)
Thanks for the quick reply J.
Best wishes