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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: gela on Tuesday 30 July 19 10:12 BST (UK)
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Hello
I was wondering please if any one knows who the following family are
River Street / River side Attercliffe
Edward Smith 55 years
Rachel Smith 55 years
Edward Smith 18 years
there are other gypsies living near them , i can work out who they are but not Edward and his family any help and info would be great .
Many thanks
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Sorry forgot to mention 1881 census
Many thanks
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Do you have a particular interest in Edward - is he an ancestor.
No birthplaces shown for Edward & Rachel but Edward jnr was b Yorkshire
Have you looked them up on earlier/later censuses? www.familysearch.org have all censuses for free
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I'm not sure if he is related, some of the other gypsies are to me that are there. I have searched both ancestery and find my past and tried to find the younger Edwards baptism. I was wondering if it was Edward / Edmund Charlotte but i'm not sure.
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Found them it must be Edward Charlotte with Rachel as i found the younger Edward born in Finley as Edward Charlotte in the 1901 census married a Mary Ann Clayton.
Did Rachel sometimes call herself Margaret or are Rachel and Margaret two different women who Edward /Edmund Charlotte had children to
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So are you saying that the surname is Charlotte not Smith? Edward jnr did marry as surname Charlotte in 1885. How does Smith become Charlotte?
1885 marriage cert shows Edward's father as Edmund Charlotte - hawker
Have you looked for a parental marriage? No birth for Edward under Charlotte
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Edmund Charlotte married Rachel Smith in 1842 Gainsborough
Edward charlotte / Smith married Mary Ann Clayton in 1885 who's dad is showing as Cistance Clayton who is most likely Sistance Charlotte, Edmunds brother, Sistance other half was Lementina Clayton , which would make Edward and Mary Ann 1st cousins.
In the 1911 census in Bradford Edward charlotte is living with a John Smith born waddingham Lincs 1861 , Edmund Charlotte had a son John Charlotte baptised in Waddingham in 1846.
In the 1901 census John Smith is showing as living in Bradford born 1861 Gainsborough ,living with him is his mother Rachel Smith aged 73 born 1828 Dorrington Lincs.
Also living at River Street in the 1881 census is Mary Ann Charlotte daughter of Edmund Charlotte living with Isaiah Smith.
I know a lot of the time the gypsie used their own surname and sometimes their partners.