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Please can anyone help?
I know that Emma L Fergie married Anthony M Warner in Chesterfield in Jan - Mar 1916.
Is there anyone who could look up this Marriage Certificate for me to see what it says? I'd be very grateful for any help.
Thanks,
Kit
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You can't "look up" a Marriage Certificate in England & Wales!
You have to buy a copy through the GRO.
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This appears to be her death and gives her dob
Emma Lydia WARNER
Death Age: 95
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1887
Registration Jun1982 Chesterfield Derbyshire Volume: 6 Page: 0165
Possible birth entry
Emma Lydia FERGIE mmn DUDLEY
1887 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 562
and baptism of son
Frank May Warner Birth 1 Jun 1916
Baptism 12 Jun 1916/Chesterfield, St Mary and All Saints, Derbyshire, England
Father: Anthony May Warner fish merchant
Mother: Emma Lydia abode Buck Inn
he died
Frank M Warner Death Age: 0
Registration Date: Jun 1916 Chesterfield Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 819
Edit Baptism of Anthony
Anthony May WARNER
Birth 16 Jun 1889
Baptism 8 Aug 1889 Brampton, St Thomas, Derbyshire, England
Father: Frank Warner fish monger
Mother: Frances Mary abode Walton
Anthony May WARNER mmn MAY
1889 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 664
Added - their 1916 marriage cert should confirm their fathers names, occupations etc
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Anthony May Warner
Birth 16 June 1889
Baptised 9 Aug 1889 St. Thomas, Brampton, Derbyshire, England
Father Frank Warner
Mother Frances Mary
FHL Film Number: 1751975
Sorry - a repeat of info already given,
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Connecticut, Federal Naturalization Records, 1790-1996
Anthony May Warner
Record Type: Declaration
Birth Date: 16 Jun 1889
Birth Place: Chesterfield, England
Arrival Date: 18 Aug 1909
Arrival Place: New York, New York
Declaration Number: 2116
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Probate registry
Anthony May Warner
Death Date: 3 Dec 1959
Death Place: Derbyshire, Derby, England
Probate Date: 5 Jul 1961
Probate Registry: London, England
Probate to Eric Greaves assistant clerk to the Justices
Effects 16149 pounds 9
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1901 census this appear to be Emma
Piece: 3495 Folio: 146 Page Number: 3
Emma Fergie 36 ( possibly sister of William Henry Fergie bn c1859)
Jessie M Fergie 29
Harold R Fergie 26
EMMA L Fergie 12 Liverpool NIECE
Lottie W Fergie 19
John J Williams 25
John Robson 37
John C Fergie 34
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There’s this transcription but doesn’t give any further details
Emma Lydia FERGIE
Marriage year 1916 Register Office Place Chesterfield
Spouse Anthony May WARNER
Reference RO/62/081
Register Office 393
County Derbyshire England
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index
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There are also these two FERGIE birth entries with mother’s maiden name DUDLEY
FERGIE, HAROLD DUDLEY mn DUDLEY
1886 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 559
He appears to have died as Dudley Harold Fergie 1887 west derby age. 0
FERGIE, LILLIE mn DUDLEY
1892 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 350
This looks to be her baptism
Lilie Fergie Birth 18 Sep 1892
Baptism 21 Dec 1892 Everton, Christ Church, Lancashire
Father: William Henry Fergie occ upholsterer
Mother: Mary Elizabeth abode 37 Smith Street
Can’t find Fergie/Dudley marriage :-\
Wondering if Mary Elizabeth was married previously
there are these entries
DUDLEY Mary E WISSETT Daniel W
1872 Southport Holy Trinity North Sefton
FERGIE William H WISSETT Mary E
1891 West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool
possible death
William Henry FERGIE Age 35
Death quarter 2 Death year 1894 West Derby Lancashire Volume 8B Page 257
This could be William with parents
1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Poplar Lane, Tranmere, Birkenhead, Cheshire
James Allen Fergie 1822 Iron Bedstead And Bedding Manufacturer Liverpool
Emma Fergie Wife 1832 Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth Ann Fergie Daughter 1857nWest Derby, Lancashire
James Fergie Son 1859 Liverpool, Lancashire
WILLIAM HENRY Fergie Son 1861 Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah Agnes Ashley Rowe Wifes Sister 1837 Saleswoman Liverpool
Mary Callaghan Servant 1838 House Servant Ireland
Laura Davis Servant 1846 House Servant Dolgelly, Merionethshire, Wales
Could this be Emma Fergie noted as visitor on 1891 census address 37 Smith Street
(same address as Baptism of Lilie Fergie)
Piece: 2963
Folio: 34
Household Members:
Mary E WISSETT 36
William DUDLEY 69 father
Fred W Wissett 15
Joe S Wissett 14
Emmie FERGIE 4 Liverpool
Ada Grandy 15
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I'd just like to thank all of you who have so kindly replied to my post, I really am very grateful to you.
I know that you cannot do a "look up" for marriages performed in a Registry Office, but I was hoping that it would be a marriage performed in a parish church; apologies, I should have stated this.
You have really done a brilliant job in obtaining all this wonderful data, and putting it together - I've been working from the Liverpool end, and am thrilled to have all the data you have given me, particularly that from the Derbyshire area.
Please, Ladyhawk, re:
The 3 Birth entries for the 3 Fergie children ie Harold Dudley 1886, Emma Lydia 1887 and Lillie 1892.
Please can you tell me how you found out that the MMN was Dudley?
(I can only find Lillie's Birth in Lancashire BMD, and this does not appear to give the MMN.)
Thanks very much again,
Kit
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I couldn't see any marriage announcement in the newspapers but did find some items re. the family, which may be of interest.
Sheffield Daily Telegraph
22 Jun 1916
Chesterfield Canadian
Private Peter Warner, eldest son of Mr Frank Warner, Chesterfield, has been seriously wounded while serving with the Canadian Infantry, a telegram to his father stating that he is dangerously ill in hospital. Private Warner was shot in the ear, the bullet passing up into the head. Leaving Chesterfield 14 years ago, Mr Warner went to the United States, where he secured a position as head butcher with an important firm in Detroit. Twelve months ago he crossed into Ontario, Canada, and enlisted in the Canadian Infantry at Windsor.
Derbyshire Courier
29 Jul 1916
Bolsover Men Wounded
Private P. Warner
Private Peter Warner (30), eldest son of Mr and Mrs Frank Warner, Chellowdene, Chatsworth Road, Brampton, who was serving with the Canadian Infantry some six weeks ago, has succumbed to his injuries in a London Hospital. A telegram to this effect was received by the parents on Thursday morning. Private Warner received a gunshot wound in the ear, which penetrated into his head. He was educated at St Helen's Street School, and served his apprenticeship with Mr J Middleton, butcher. Migrating to America nearly 14 years ago, he became manager of a large stores at Detroit, and held positions at Chicago and New York. Together with his younger brother he answered the mother country's call for men over twelve months ago and became attached to the Canadian Infantry. He had been in France about seven weeks when he was wounded. It is understood that the remains will be brought to Chesterfield for internment.
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
22 Dec 1917
Chesterfield Casualties
Corporal Anthony M Warner, Leicestershire Regiment, son of Mr Frank Warner, "Chellowdene," Brookside, Chesterfield, has written home stating that he has been wounded in the chest and leg, and has undergone an operation in the base hospital in France. "It was a narrow shave.", he writes. "Only half an inch from the heart, but I guess my luck was in. I don't know if I shall be lucky enough to get to 'Blighty.' I hope so; it would be a change, for, between you and me, it was hell where we were. Enough said!" Corporal Warner is married and his wife is at present living with her mother at the Buck Inn, Chesterfield. Before enlisting a year and a half ago he was engaged with his father in the fish-curing business, but he had previously spent five years in America. Mr Warner has another son serving with the Canadian Flying Corps. and another, Pte. Peter Warner, died of wounds in July 1916.
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
31 May 1924
Later Mr Frank Warner
Chesterfield Tradesman Passes Away
The death of Mr Frank Warner, "Chellowdene," Brookside, removes another well-known Chesterfield personality. Mr WArner, who was 62 years of age, passed away on Monday in Sheffield Nursing Home following an operation. For almost forty years he had been in the business as a wholesale fish merchant in Station Road. He leaves a widow, two sons and three daughters, his eldest son having been killed in the war.
The Funeral
The funeral took places on Thursday, the first part of the service being held at St Thomas' Church, Brampton, where the Rev. F H Burnside officiated. The cortege afterwards left for Holymoorside, the internment being in the family vault in the little Churchyard, the Rev F H Burnside also carrying out the last rites. The family mourners were Mrs Warner (widow), Mr and Mrs A Warner (son and daughter-in-law), Mr and Mrs F Rignall (son-in-law and daughter), Mr Peter Warner (brother), Mr Arthur Warner, Leicester (brother), Mr Clement Warner (brother), Mrs F Garland?, Sheffield (sister), Mrs F Walker (sister), Mr A May (nephew), and Mrs Phillips, Stockton-on-Tees.
[Plus a number of other mourners and long list of wreaths and floral tributes. Article of also has photo of Frank.]
Derbyshire Times and Chesterfield Herald
16 Jan 1942
Death of Mrs F M Warner, Chesterfield
The death occurred on Saturday of Mrs Frances Mary Warner (78), of 690, Brookside, Chesterfield.
Mrs Warner was the widow of Mr Frank Warner who died in 1924 and sister-in-law of Mr Peter Warner, fish merchant, Chesterfield. She was born at Stanedge, her father, Mr May, being a well known farmer. She leaves three daughters and a son. A daughter, Mrs S E Bennett, is in Australia and a son, Mr Bernard Warner in Detroit. Mrs Warner's eldest son, Mr Peter Warner, died after being wounded in the last war.
The funeral took place at Holymoorside on Tues, being attended by members of the family. The arrangements were carried out by B Hattersley, 211, Chatsworth Road, Chesterfield. Tel 2820.
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Please can you tell me how you found out that the MMN was Dudley?
(I can only find Lillie's Birth in Lancashire BMD, and this does not appear to give the MMN.)
The MMN is available in the GRO's own births index, which were compiled from transcripts of original registers, rather than the original index. It's free to use but you need to open an account.
GRO Ordering Service - Most Customers Want To Know
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customers_want_to_know.asp#OnlineIndex
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I know that you cannot do a "look up" for marriages performed in a Registry Office, but I was hoping that it would be a marriage performed in a parish church; apologies, I should have stated this.
No apology required! ;D
It's a terminology issue.
A Marriage Certificate is issued for any marriage conducted under Civil Registration.
What you wanted was the Parish Register entry for the marriage - and that's not a certificate :D
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Hi,
Thank you once again for all your replies - I am delighted to have all of that, and am gratified for all that everyone has done for me. You all have really bent over backwards to help me and I have also learnt something along the way, which I'm sure will be useful in the future.
Can't thank you enough, you have been brilliant!
Kit