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Title: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Sunday 04 August 19 12:10 BST (UK)
I have lost a family in 1861, I have checked the missing 1961 list on FindMyPast and the area is not listed as missing so can anyone find this family please?
1851 HO107/1967 fo152 p15 Tetbury Monmouth Police Sgt. Edmund Wheeldon wife Emma
1861???
1871RG10/5304 fo57 p20 Monmouth  Edmund Wheeldon Supt. of Police wife Emma
Hope someone can see them
Thank you
Trees
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 04 August 19 12:35 BST (UK)
Birthyears and birthplaces?  Any children?

Nothing showing in 1861
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Chilternbirder on Sunday 04 August 19 12:52 BST (UK)
Monmouth? Tetbury is in Gloucestershire on the English side of the Severn.
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Sunday 04 August 19 12:57 BST (UK)
Children up to 1861
Thomas Barnet WHEELDON1845
Harriet Partridge WHEELDON 1849
George Partridge WHEELDON1851
Henry Charles WHEELDON1954
James Barnet WHEELDON1859

Edmond and EMMA 1821ish
Agree Tetbury is on the other side but the census has as I have given it
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 04 August 19 12:57 BST (UK)
According to Ancestry there are quite a lot of missing parishes in the Welsh 1861 census returns.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/uki1861wales/

Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Sunday 04 August 19 13:10 BST (UK)
3984 Dingestow seems to be the only Monmouth one missing from the FindMyPast site
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Craclyn on Sunday 04 August 19 13:45 BST (UK)
Have you tried the Police Gazette dataset on Ancestry? They may have articles that can help you to narrow down where to look for Edmund around 1861.
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Sunday 04 August 19 13:52 BST (UK)
The nearest I have found him is Oct 1859 when he was in Monmouth.
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: JenB on Sunday 04 August 19 13:55 BST (UK)
Monmouth? Tetbury is in Gloucestershire on the English side of the Severn.

1851 census has him living in Tetbury, birthplace ‘Gloster, Mitcheldeane’.
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: JenB on Sunday 04 August 19 14:04 BST (UK)
There are a lot of references to him in the newspapers of the time, indicating that he was working as a police superintendent in Monmouth by the mid 1850’s
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 04 August 19 14:24 BST (UK)
The nearest I have found him is Oct 1859 when he was in Monmouth.
The Monmouthshire Merlin 2nd November 1861 has a report  about a robbery in Monmouth where the victim of the robbery informed Superintendent Wheeldon.
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3399872/3399880/80/Edmund%20Wheeldon
He is also mentioned in the 15th   December   1860 issue.
Stan
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: JenB on Sunday 04 August 19 14:56 BST (UK)
There are a lot of references to him in the newspapers of the time, indicating that he was working as a police superintendent in Monmouth by the mid 1850’s

I should, of course, have said Monmouthshire  ::)

He was appointed Superintending Constable of Abergavenny in October 1855

Monmouthshire Beacon 20th October 1855
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 04 August 19 15:11 BST (UK)
Did he have a second wife, called Sarah?
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Craclyn on Sunday 04 August 19 15:11 BST (UK)
1881 census gives his wife as Sarah.
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 04 August 19 15:13 BST (UK)
I'd found her via probate records ... but that doesn't help with 1861, does it? Some of my OH's lot "went missing" in 1861 Wales census, too. There in 1851, back in 1871, but...?
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: JenB on Sunday 04 August 19 15:14 BST (UK)
Not that it helps in the least to find him in 1861, but he took up his post in Monmouth in October 1857

Monmouthshire Beacon 17th October 1857
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 04 August 19 15:44 BST (UK)
From The Western Mail 29th   February   1888
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Sunday 04 August 19 15:47 BST (UK)
Do we know when Emma Barnett died? (They married in 1842, didn't they?)
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Sunday 04 August 19 18:28 BST (UK)
Emma died 14 Aug 1874 in Monmouth
He married Sarah Heather 2 Nov 1875 in  Mitchel Troy, Monmouthshire
He was Superintendent of Abergavenny 1855 and Superintendent of Monmouth 1857
As you say plenty of Newspaper reports for him as a Superintendent
But where were they in 1861
The thing that is bugging me is there are reports in 1849 and 1851 about Sergeant Wheeldon of Nailsworth then two in 1852 for PC wheeldon in Cheltenham
then what was going on here?
Superintendent of Monmouth 1857
THE NEW POLICE.
The Town Clerk reported that the Watch Committee having examined the applications and testimonials of the various candidates for situations as police officers, recommended Edmund Wheeldon to the Council for election as sergeant, his testimonials being extraordinarily good.

October 3, 1857 - Monmouthshire Beacon - Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
https://search.findmypast.com/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001272%2f18571003%2f072

AND The new Superintendent, Mr. Edmund Wheeldon, took the oath and commenced his guardianship of our renowned old borough, on Tuesday.
October 17, 1857 - Monmouthshire Beacon - Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales
https://search.findmypast.com/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0001272%2f18571017%2f099

Was there more than one Edmund Wheeldon? Oo was the first report wrong about the rank?
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: stanmapstone on Sunday 04 August 19 19:34 BST (UK)
From the Monmouthshire Merlin 11th   April   1857
Title: Re: 1861 again
Post by: Trees on Monday 05 August 19 06:28 BST (UK)
Look at this Stan same case different paper but adds that he was complimented by the chairman.

FOWL STEALING.—In the case of James Coburn, noticed in another column, the prisoner pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 3 months' hard labor. The hon. chairman highly complimented Supt. Wheeldon.…

    The Illustrated Usk Observer and Raglan Herald 11th April 1857
 
   

also from the National Libraryof Wales It appears he had a short term away from the Police!

Mr. Wheeldon, late superintendent constable (at Abergavenny), in the Monmouthshire County Police, has been appointed Superintendent on the Brecon and Abergavenny Canal. Mr. Wheeldon was a most excellent officer, and his departure will be regretted.
30th May 1857 Monmouthshire Merlin   Welsh Newspapers Online - The National Library of Wales
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3397345/3397353/58/WHEELDON

CRICKHOWELL.
The hay harvest has just commenced in this locality. To all appearance the crops will be very heavy this year.
Mr. Thomas, late Superintendent of Police in Monmouthshire, has just been appointed Superintendent on the Canal, instead of Mr. Wheeldon, who gave up the situation on Saturday evening.
20th June 1857 Monmouthshire Merlin   Welsh Newspapers Online - The National Library of Wales
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3397372/3397379/41/WHEELDON