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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Duodecem on Tuesday 06 August 19 16:05 BST (UK)
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In 1799 Robert Tubbs married Mary Chase in St Nicholas, Yarmouth, both were single and "of this parish" though Mary was born in Ormesby St Margaret in 1775. They had 3 daughters in Caister on Sea, Mary (my 3x grandmother) born 1801 and twins Jane and Elizabeth who were born and died in 1804.
The birth and death records for the girls give the surname as Tubby whereas the marriage is clearly Tubbs. (I thought it may be a transcription error but I have checked the original records on-line and it is clearly Tubby in Caister and Tubbs in Yarmouth).
I am certain I have the correct couple, Mary's surname, Chase is on the birth records.
Mary Tubbs/ Tubby married John Dale and went on to name two of her children Robert Chase Dale and Sarah Tubbs Dale.
I haven't been able to find any birth or death records for Robert Tubbs/Tubby or a death record for his wife Mary. (They are not the Robert and Mary Tubby buried in Hopton, I tried to claim them but they belong to another family!)
I wonder if anyone can find any records for Robert, I would like to know more about him. I did find a Yarmouth baptism in 1748 but that would make him 51 when he married.
All suggestions gratefully received!
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The name Tubby seems more likely than Tubbs when using soundex.
On Freereg.
Robert TUBBY Baptism 13 Feb 1780 Norfolk Morley St Peter : St Peter : father Robert
A number of possible births for Mary on Freereg in Norfolk.
No deaths on the GRO site 1837 – 1851 in Norfolk so likely died earlier, plenty on family search but no detail, none seem likely on freereg.
Colin
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There is a baptism at Great Yarmouth on 29 Nov 1780, parents Thomas & Elizabeth for a Robert Gregory Teeb. :-\
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Re the other thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=816818.msg6784296#msg6784296
A baptism in Devon in 1812
Robert Tubbs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC93-BRW
The only other info I have is that it was at Stoke Damerel, parents Robert + Mary
A burial of a Robert Tubb at Stoke Damerel, 14 March 1819, age 47
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9Q5-SGVX?i=214&cc=2515875
A marriage of a widowed Mary Tubbs, 4 June 1820, East Stonehouse, to Thomas Holbrook
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89Q5-3WKM?i=32&cc=2515875
A burial possibility? :-\
7 Sep 1823, Stoke Damerel, Mary Holbrook, age 43
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9Q5-ST88?i=195&cc=2515875
Mary Tubbs/ Tubby married John Dale and went on to name two of her children Robert Chase Dale and Sarah Tubbs Dale.
Where was the marriage?
There's a marriage at Plymouth St Andrew in 1819, John Deal + Mary Tubbs
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A baptism in Devon in 1812
Robert Tubbs
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC93-BRW
The only other info I have is that it was at Stoke Damerel, parents Robert + Mary
Missing info is baptized 31 Dec 1812. Born 18 July 1812.
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But, in the seamens records, in 1845
Robert Chase, age 33, Mate
born 18 July 1811, Yarmouth, Norfolk
when unemployed resides at Bermondsey
And another one, from 1848.
Robert Chase, age 37, Mate
born 18 July 1811, Yarmouth, Norfolk
when unemployed resides at Bermondsey
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Oh no! I just wrote a very lengthy detailed reply, previewed it and lost it. Now my tea break is over.
Thank you everyone for some very useful suggestions which I will reply to in more detail.
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Could he have gone into the Royal Navy, hence the family switching to Devon?
On TNA website there are some records in ADM 27 - Navy Board, and Admiralty, Accountant General's Department: Registers of Allotments and Allotment Declarations
Robert Tubbs; Ship's name: HMS Hindoostan; Pay book number: SB 204; Rank: Quartergunner; Relation: Wife Mary; When Alloted: 1801; Remarks: blank.
Robert Tubbs; Ship's name: HMS London; Pay book number: SB 458; Rank: Able Seaman; Relation: Wife Mary; When Allotted: 1805; Remarks: discharged 14 June 1809 to HMS Euryalus.
Robert Tubbs; Ship's name: HMS Euryalus; Pay book number: SB 581; Rank: Able Seaman; Relation: Wife Mary; When Allotted: 1809; Remarks: discharged (no date given) unserviceable.
Images probably online somewhere.
Second and third records are linked at any rate!
John
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That first one, Hindoostan, has a residence on it, something like No. Yarm.
Yarm may be abbreviated, ending with some very tiny upper letter.
Could it mean Norfolk Yarmouth? :-\
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Thank you everyone for your help.
I think I've gone from knowing very little about Robert and his family to knowing quite a lot.
To summarise:
Robert Tubbs was born about 1772, based on his age at death. He may not have come from Norfolk at all but he was almost certainly from a coastal area (and probably from a seafaring family) and he became a seaman, probably at an early age.
1n 1799, aged about 27, he married Mary Chase in Great Yarmouth.
(Mary was born in Ormesby St Margaret in 1775, the daughter of Robert Chase and Jane Wacey)
By 1801 he had enlisted in the Royal Navy as a quarter gunner on HMS Hindoostan. His family were living in Caister next Yarmouth where 3 daughters were baptised, Mary and twins Jane and Elizabeth (who died soon after their birth.)
All the records except those of Caister name the family Tubbs, however,there were other families named Tubby in Caister so I imagine the parish clerk spelled Tubbs in the same way.
Robert moved ship in 1805 to HMS London then in 1809 to HMS Euralyus. Therafter he was discharged as "unserviceable" (?) and died in Stoke Damerel, Plymouth in 1819.
By 1812, Robert's wife, Mary Chase and their daughter Mary Tubbs had moved to Plymouth, where a son, Robert Tubbs, was baptised in 1812.
Mary Tubbs the daughter married another sailor, John Dale (spelled Deal in the Plymouth records) in 1819, the year her father died.
The following year, the widowed Mary Tubbs married a shipwright Thomas Holbrook, but died 3 years later in 1823.
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I was about to post a question regarding Robert Tubbs and Mary Chase and I found this wonderful information! My husband, Karl, is a Great Great Grandson of Sarah Tubbs Dale Maynard. Daughter of Mary Ann Tubbs and John David Dale. JanFurness just wondering if you descend from Sarah Tubbs Dale as well?
Take care,
Hope
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Hello Hope,
Nice to hear from you. My great great grandmother was Mary and Robert's eldest daughter, Ann White Dale. So we share Mary and Robert as our 3x great grandparents. I'm not sure what that makes us- 3rd or 4th cousins perhaps?
Best wishes, Jan
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Yes, nice to "meet" you. You and Karl are 3rd cousins then! He is first born here in the United States. We visited his sister who lives in England and other relatives a few years ago. We have to fly back soon.
I am so intrigued by your Ann White Dale! I can't seem to find where the name White fits in the family. Karl's grandfather, Thomas DALE Maynard was obviously named after his mother Sarah Tubbs Dale.
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Hello again, I wondered whether Ann White was the maiden name of John Dale's mother. Information from the muster books of H M Brig Martial in 1823 give his birth as about 1796 in Middlesex, England. There are a number of possible candidates, but I haven't been able to find any definite baptismal record for him, so I don't know the names of his parents. They seem to have used names from Mary's family, so perhaps some of the other names come from John's. They seemed to like the name Ann, their youngest daughter born 24 years after Ann White was called Anne Maria!