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Title: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: BronwenS on Saturday 17 August 19 06:19 BST (UK)
I expect everyone but me knows, what does sep. mean at the end of a parish register entry.

1652 May 4. Eduardus, f. Eduardi Roberts ... sep.

nga mihi
Bronwen Summers
Otautahi
Aotearoa
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 17 August 19 06:44 BST (UK)
I expect everyone but me knows, what does sep. mean at the end of a parish register entry.

1652 May 4. Eduardus, f. Eduardi Roberts ... sep.

nga mihi
Bronwen Summers
Otautahi
Aotearoa

Much depends on the context.

Sep, buried
It could mean seven but here I suspect it means to close off.
Was it at the end of the register or even perhaps a burial register where a family tomb was now filled and sealed to future burials?
In a bishop's transcript it could even mean that there were seven entries since the last BT.

It is like the "f" in your transcript I assume it was really a long "s" the archaic letter or symbol used to denote the letter s or the double letters ss.

Cheers
Guy

PS I really suspect it is short for sepulturae = buried
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 17 August 19 06:47 BST (UK)
Could it be short for "sepulta fuit"  - was buried :-\
https://www.familytreeforum.com/showthread.php/102594-Latin-Translation

Kay
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: BronwenS on Saturday 17 August 19 07:00 BST (UK)
Thanks to both of you, I think Kay is on the button.
I have no idea what ....  nat. means either?

the other ones are
....  bap. (baptised)
.... nup. (I assume this means nuptial)



1662, Nov. 13. Richardus, f. Thomae et Sarae Gittoes de Minsterley ... sep.
" Dec. 3. Georgius Goodalle ... sep.
" Jan. 9. Johannes, f. Richardi et Eliz: Choriton ... nat.
" Jan. 13. Magistra Sarah Clough ... sep.
" Jan. 21. Anna, f. Johannis et Sarae Davies ... nat.
" Jan. 27. Robertus Nickolas ... sep.
" Jan. 30. Maria, f. Richardi et Annae Peate ... nat.
" Feb. 4. Martha, f. Danielis et Elinorae Diggory ... nat.
" Feb. 8. Maria, f. Richardi et Annae Peate ... sep.
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 17 August 19 07:24 BST (UK)
Possibly "Natus fruit" - born has been??   https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/LatinNotes 
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: BronwenS on Saturday 17 August 19 07:40 BST (UK)
Great thanks Kay, I think I now ahve that sussed.  And thanks for the link it will come in handy in future.

nga mihi
Bronwen
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Billyblue on Saturday 17 August 19 13:11 BST (UK)
Ref reply #1, from Guy ...

Isn't the f. in the listing, short for filius (or whatever the LATIN word is, which I've forgotten), meaning 'son of' ???
i.e. Edward, son of Edward Roberts.

Dawn M
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Guy Etchells on Saturday 17 August 19 18:53 BST (UK)
Yes thanks for pointing that out.
I forgot the text was in Latin I just remembered seeing an f in the transcript and assumed it was a long f.
Prove the point of viewing in context and not assuming anything.
;)
Cheers
Guy
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: BronwenS on Saturday 17 August 19 20:48 BST (UK)
Many thanks Dawn and Guy I had noted the f and assumed it meant father of.

nga mihi
Bronwen in cold Christchurch, NZ
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: Joney on Sunday 18 August 19 16:42 BST (UK)
Just thought it was worth pointing out that the Latin for 'daughter' is filia. The abbreviation 'f' could stand for son (filius) or daughter (filia). With names like Maria and Martha in the list, a translation of 'f' as daughter is clearly necessary.
Title: Re: please advise what ....sep. means in a parish entry.
Post by: BronwenS on Sunday 18 August 19 21:03 BST (UK)
Excellent thanks this is all very helpful.

nga mihi
Bronwen
Aotearoa