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Title: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: riholt on Wednesday 21 August 19 20:22 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I am trying to trace a Sarah Butterfield born c.1803 in Berkhampstead, daughter of Joseph Glenister.

Sarah marries as a widow in 1853 and lists her father as Joseph Glenister, occupation: Sawyer. Her spouse then seems to disappear and she then uses her first husband's surname, Butterfield, from at least 1861-1872.

A marriage between William Butterfield and Sarah Glenister at Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire in 1821 has a witness named Joseph Glenister who signs his name (likely her father).

Link to Sarah on my tree on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/8499087/person/-940510861/facts

I haven't been able to find a Sarah dau. of Joseph Glenister.

Any help appreciated.

Many thanks,

Richard
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 21 August 19 23:42 BST (UK)
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Sarah marries as a widow in 1853 and lists her father as Joseph Glenister,

Who did she marry?
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: riholt on Thursday 22 August 19 09:26 BST (UK)
Sarah married Thomas Spencer born c.1796 in Marylebone in 1853. He was listed as a widower but he disappears by 1861 and then Sarah continues to use the Butterfield surname. No other records match Thomas... he’s currently elusive.
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 22 August 19 11:32 BST (UK)
Just posting full details

Ivinghoe, Buckinghamshire 23 Feb 1821
Sarah Glenister spinster -abode Ivinghoe
William Butterfield - abode Ivinghoe
witnesses   Joseph Glenister & Habes Rogers
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 August 19 11:45 BST (UK)
   
Sarah Glenister
Christening Date:   
14 Dec 1806 Berkhampstead
Birth    
13 Sep 1806
No Parents named (Familysearch.Org)

Would make her only 15 in 1821 :-\

There is a JOSEPH G christened 13 Jan 1799 to JOSEPH/MARY
+ siblings;
John 1801
James 1803
David 1806
Thomas 1808
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 22 August 19 11:50 BST (UK)
   
Sarah Glenister
Christening Date:   
14 Dec 1806 Berkhampstead
Birth    
13 Sep 1806
No Parents named (Familysearch.Org)

Would make her only 15 in 1821 :-\

There is a JOSEPH G christened 13 Jan 1799 to JOSEPH/MARY
+ siblings;
John 1801
James 1803
David 1806
Thomas 1808

Parents of Sarah are John & Ann  :)
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 August 19 12:07 BST (UK)
Thanks Rosie so not her!
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 22 August 19 12:18 BST (UK)
I did notice this Marriage but can find no children to them;
Rebecca SHIRMAN
Joseph GLENESTER
01 May 1798, St Peter, Berkhamsted
   
There is a Burial same Church 19 Apr 1838 for a REBECCA Glenister age 73 (1765)

Both on FreeREG but cant find anything else on them
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: riholt on Thursday 22 August 19 16:05 BST (UK)
When Sarah married in 1821, the witness, Joseph Glenister, signed his name. It would be interesting to see if this matches other documents which might have required the individuals to sign.
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: emilypos on Saturday 22 February 20 00:40 GMT (UK)
Could be worth checking in the archives of https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/eng-hertfordshire.rootsweb.com/2020/2/

Most of my families were Berkhamstead based and do have an isolated or 2 GLENISTER

Emilypos   NSW
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: Annette7 on Saturday 22 February 20 04:42 GMT (UK)
I suspect that Sarah may have been somewhat older than she admitted to.

We know her father was named Joseph and there was only one Joseph (with wife Mary) who was having children baptised in Berkhampstead in the relevant time frame.  They were Joseph Glenister of Northchurch who married Mary Flexman 16/2/1790 Little Gaddesden, Hertfordshire.  Their children baptised at Berkhampstead (Northchurch) were:

William bp.21/11/1790
Sarah bp.16/9/1792
Elizabeth bp.23/3/1794
Mary bp.6/12/1795
Joseph bp.13/1/1799
John bp.21/6/1801
James bp.30/10/1803
David bp.20/4/1806
Thomas bp.5/6/1808

Her age varies between 1800-1806 and I suspect she could actually be the Sarah bp.16/9/1792 (who does not appear to have died as an infant).  Both of her husbands were born in 1790's I note.

This family headed by a Joseph are the only such family having children in the relevant time frame.

Annette
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: emilypos on Saturday 22 February 20 05:01 GMT (UK)
Could be she was unsure of her age ? This GLENISTER / FLAXMAN family come up 4 times in Ancestrys public trees ....3 are closed one open.

Re the archives of Rootswebs Herts list, memory says someone was maybe doing a a GLENISTER one name study
I grew up in Berkhamsted 
Bye

Emiliypos NSW Australia
Title: Re: Sarah Glenister - Berkhampstead
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 22 February 20 08:35 GMT (UK)
FreeREG has Burials of;

Joseph G 19 Apr 1829 age 67 (1762)
Mary G 15 Jan 1837 age 72 (1765) abode Dudswell