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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Murrell on Friday 23 August 19 11:13 BST (UK)
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I have got a 1926 birth in Rathdrum but on the certificate it doesn't actually show where the birth was. Only Rathdrum
under dwelling nothing other than WicklowUD same
for mother's dwelling. They are married.
Now l thought perhaps if there was a workhouse with hospital attached. Maybe he was born there but that would not account for lack of address!
Has anyone else had birth cert with information lacking?
I see there is one RC church in the village so hope he was baptised there
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My mother in law's 1917 birth cert from County Clare just says Kiltrellig,no address ,but I know she was born at home.
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My mother in law's 1917 birth cert from County Clare just says Kiltrellig,no address ,but I know she was born at home.
??? I don't understand what you mean.
Kiltrellig is a townland, so wasn't that her address.
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Kiltrellig townland, Kilballyowen Civil Parish, in Co. Clare.
https://www.townlands.ie/clare/moyarta/kilballyowen/kilballyowen/kiltrellig/
KG
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The townland would have been the actual and complete address. The townland would have been used for census, valuation and any other records/forms to be filled out. In larger town and cities there would have been street names and larger houses/estates might have had a name for the property but the townland was still the official address.
Not sure about Wicklow but in County Londonderry rural areas only got road names in early 1970s. Certainly a few years ago rural Fermanagh was using only townland names.
Just Wednesday a relative's death certificate had to be filled out and whilst the form asked for street and postcode for place of birth we gave the townland name as that was the address at the time of his birth.
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My mother in law's 1917 birth cert from County Clare just says Kiltrellig,no address ,but I know she was born at home.
??? I don't understand what you mean.
Kiltrellig is a townland, so wasn't that her address.
Yes that is the town land , but most certs give an actual address , such as so and so farm or a street and house number.
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If there was no street address or name of house the townland would have been given. If there was a street name or house number or house name the townland was still the address so very, very often is listed as residence in any sort of document.
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Houses don't have numbers in rural Ireland, or even in most villages or small towns. The numbers on the census returns are form numbers not house numbers (sometimes in larger towns and City there is a matching house number)
Farms have the name of the people farming it, not like the do in England where each farm seems to have a name no matter who owns it. UK had Emmerdale Farm, in Ireland we had The Riordans.
It was the lack of house numbers which made them introduce the Eircode, now every house in the country has it's own postal code.
There will only be a street name if they lived in town big enough to have street names.
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Hi everyone,
So have l got this right Rathdrum would have be a small village in 1920's with no street names as such hence no address.
Many many thanks for your replies 😊
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Sorry Murrell we didn't pay your question much attention
as you can see from these 1917 births, several simply say Rathdrum,
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1918/01289/1534299.pdf
and if you look at a map from 1913 you can see just Main Street which changes to Low Street and a couple of lanes off the street with names, anyone living along the street would simply have an address of Rathdrum. It's possible no one or very few ever used the name of the street.
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You could post names/details of parents with father's occ. as people have access to info. not online & may be able to help?
Annie
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We still use it today.
My exact address is the townland, nearest town, County..
Same with birth registrations.
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Hi once again thank you for all your combine help
Parents names were James Keilty Labourer his wife Esther Keilty maiden name Bryce.
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My mother in law's 1917 birth cert from County Clare just says Kiltrellig,no address ,but I know she was born at home.
??? I don't understand what you mean.
Kiltrellig is a townland, so wasn't that her address.
Yes that is the town land , but most certs give an actual address , such as so and so farm or a street and house number.
Just not so.
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Hi Wexflyer
The birth certificate l have does not show an address anywhere. It shows district of Wicklow in the union of Rathdrum.
Date & place of birth Wicklow- name of father dwelling place Wicklow .& finally under signature of mother Wicklow.
Just wondered if anyone else had come a cross this before.
It's 1926 birthday James Keilty Labourer mother Esther Keilty New Bryce.I
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that wouid mean Wicklow town, which was in Rathdrum registration district.
not unusual to just have the town as place of birth. UD means Urban District, so could even be somewhere close to Wicklow town.
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Hi
In the 1911 Census there are only 10 Keilty folk in the entire county of Wicklow - all in Rathdrum Poor Law Union but every single one living in Arklow Rural District Electoral Division. The list includes an 18 year old James. Is this your James?
Link:-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003643016/
Cheers
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Hi Wexflyer
The birth certificate l have does not show an address anywhere. It shows district of Wicklow in the union of Rathdrum.
Date & place of birth Wicklow- name of father dwelling place Wicklow .& finally under signature of mother Wicklow.
Just wondered if anyone else had come a cross this before.
It's 1926 birthday James Keilty Labourer mother Esther Keilty New Bryce.I
The residence/address is what is stated in the proper column on the birth certificate.
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Hi LH l don't know for sure yet. Are you saying they were in the workhouse? Cuz l thought that might be a possibility but
wouldn't the address be given on birth certificate?
Iv contacted the RC church to enquiry if there child was baptised there. But if the family are in WH then their child may have been bapitisted in the chapel there.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Hi Wexflyer
The birth certificate l have does not show an address anywhere. It shows district of Wicklow in the union of Rathdrum.
Date & place of birth Wicklow- name of father dwelling place Wicklow .& finally under signature of mother Wicklow.
Just wondered if anyone else had come a cross this before.
It's 1926 birthday James Keilty Labourer mother Esther Keilty New Bryce.I
Hi LH l don't know for sure yet. Are you saying they were in the workhouse? Cuz l thought that might be a possibility but
wouldn't the address be given on birth certificate?
Iv contacted the RC church to enquiry if there child was baptised there. But if the family are in WH then their child may have been bapitisted in the chapel there.
Thanks for your thoughts
the details you posted has three addresses - all state Wicklow, i.e. the town
as posted before it's not unusual to just name the town.
which RC church have you contacted ? Rathdrum has been mentioned several times - this is the district not the place of birth
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In 1911 census that Keilty family are clearly in the townland of Pollahoney NOT the Workhouse-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Arklow_Rural/Pollahoney/893983/
Pollahoney townland- to the west of Arklow town-
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/arklow/arklow/arklow-rural/bollahoney/
Rathdrum Workhouse-
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Rathdrum/
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you can see details of the Poor Law Union/Registration Districts and Registrar's districts for County Wicklow here https://www.johngrenham.com/records/county_gro.php?search_type=full&county=Wicklow
district of Wicklow in the union of Rathdrum as you mentioned on your cert is last on this list.
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Hello all
athacliath62 Rathdrum has been mentioned because l do not have any address details other than Wicklow UD Union of Rathdrum.
I was given an e-mail for Parish church? from Catherine Wright Archivist for Wicklow
Thanks Aghadowey l had seen 1911 census but can't know for sure if correct James.
Think l will need to find his wedding details to see if it falls in ☺ You are all so helpful lm amazed by your support
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Andrew Kilty was born Rathdrum OCT/DEC 1929 mother BOYCE
He sadly died age 14 hrs at Dispensary Lane 12th Nov 1929
Informant was mother Esther same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04929/4338786.pdf
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/Dispensary_Lane/898562/
Mary Esther Boyce marriage sept 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10319/5756637.pdf
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Edward Boyce and Margaret Cullen 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10984/8015813.pdf
Mary Esther 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02671/1984343.pdf
possibly died Dr Steevens Hosp Dublin age 68 still married
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1953/04464/4169872.pdf
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most of the births were registered with address of Wicklow
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9w/
Patrick died age 11 in 1929 still at Dispencery Lane
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1929/04938/4342138.pdf
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possible birth for James Keilty July 25th 1869 Ashford,Wicklow father Larry mother Catherine Kavanagh
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1869/2241503a.pdf
Laurence 1864 as Keeley
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03618/2335493.pdf
baptism number 94 as Kiltey
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633297#page/134/mode/1up
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Laurence joined the Irish Army in 1922 Harbour Barrack's ,Kingstown
http://census.militaryarchives.ie/pdf/Harbour_Barracks_Dun_Laoghaire_2_Eastern_Division_Eastern_Command_Page_4.pdf
married Catherine Duffy 1925
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1925/09135/5303921.pdf
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Hi there,
The Keilty l was trying to research was Francis Joseph born 1926 his father James mother Esther nee Bryce.
Francis married my great Aunt Kathleen 1946.
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judging by the amount of children Esther Boyce had, the family i posted looks right
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.lewis/2400.3/mb.ashx
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Did Francis give a Wicklow address on his marriage cert in 1946
latest address i found 1940 was Wolfe Tone Square
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Hi Dathai
The mother of Francis Joseph Kielty is Esther nee Bryce.
Francis address at time of marriage 1946 Fairview Road Wicklow. I have posted about this address before and was told there had been a change of name over the years.
Many thanks for your help
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check out the address of the Kilty's buried here
https://www.stpetersparishbray.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Cemetery-Records-St-Peters-Little-Bray.pdf
Anthonys marriage note his wife's address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08835/5194791.pdf
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Hi there dathai
I do appreciate your searches on my behalf.
I note that you have Esther Keilty maiden name Boyce- l have it as Bryce?
I have download the cemetery pdf but unfortunately l can't enlarge on my tablet not having access to a print at the moment l can not see the tables. I can see some yellow highlights do l assume these are the addresses l need to look at ?