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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: Westfrem on Sunday 25 August 19 12:21 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for the baptism of Matilda Mckimm born circa 1846 (from death record 1913). She married Francis Whittaker Shaw in Tobercurry on 29th Sep 1869 and the marriage certificate gives her father's name as Patrick McKimm a farmer. Her place of residence at the time was "Branchfield?".
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0117 Achonry
reccords start too late
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There is a possibility that Matilda was CoI as they were married in St. George's in Tubbercurry
LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11432/8199386.pdf) to marriage record
LINK (http://www.tuam.anglican.org/achonry/tubbercurry-st-george/) for info on church
Branchfield is an area and large house - It was the home of the McKim family
LINK (http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3381)
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Based on the information from 1901 census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Glenboy/Moneenshinnagh/1474822/ I did a search for Anne thereon and found her Birth registered in Manorhamilton District on The Irish Government BDM website
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
This has 3 stages to it as per attachment and the Captcha and Sign in page are all part of process the Irish Government BDM website and do not take anyone to any other website!
Registered BDM's to 1901 can be found using this Search where you might find other Birth, Death of husband etc then change Year range for other years etc as needed.
Anne's birth reg attached!
As they were not RC you MIGHT get Marriage for Parents!
See https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Based on your names... this
Shaw Frank Whittaker 37 Male Head of Family on 1911 Census http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Manorhamilton/Cornastauk/657413/
could very well be the son of your Frank Whittaker Shaw
If his Birth was registered it should be found via Search posted.
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Shaw, Cornastauk
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/leitrim-manorhamilton-coi/target84.html
...might be related.
Check who registered their deaths.
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presumably in looking for her baptism you are looking for both parents and information to go back rather than forward.
I can see her husband Francis died of arsenic* poisoning on Jul 18 1887
*corrected based on next answer and re-reading record
and that they had at least eight children. She is with Annie and Follis on the 1901 census and George on the 1911 census.
Her daughter Isabella married John TATE and it is their daughter that is with her on the 1901 census.
Her brother or nephew Patrick G. McKIM (F) Patrick of Branchfield
married Jane GINTY in 1913 and this line are still in Branchfield.
He died on Jun 23 1930 aged 74 implies born circa 1856.
Death notice from 2004 relates LINK (https://www.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/localnotes/tubbercurry-its-all-systems-go-for-local-projects-27540152.html) see just over half way down page.
This family maybe able to provide the information you are looking for.
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Francis died of chronic nephritis and ur(a)emic poisoning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uremia
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06205/4774952.pdf
KG
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If Patrick G McKIM is the brother of Matilda there are a few trees online showing them
His mother is shown as Anne (nee CLARK(E)) in most and his father as Philip rather than Patrick
Anne McKIM died in Branchfield on feb 04 1891 aged 74 and the informant was her son Patt G. MacKIM LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06077/4733452.pdf) #198
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Branchfield House (Leyny)
Description: The residence of the McKim family for many generations, Branchfield was enlarged and extended in the later nineteenth century. At the time of Griffith's Valuation it was held from Catherine Gore by Patrick McKim and valued at £5. McTernan states that the lands were sold to the Congested Districts Board in 1910, though the family retained the house. It is currently undergoing renovation.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=3381
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"..Then there is the McKim farm at Carrownacreevy or Branchfield, in the parish of Mullinabreena, containing upwards of 270 acres to which I have repeatedly directed the attention of the Land Commission. This land should have been acquired and subdivided years ago. There are a large number of uneconomic holdings in the vicinity. Unfortunate tenants are huddled in small farms on the side of the Ox Mountain in close proximity to this substantial farm, the subdivision of which would give much-needed relief. I hope no time will be lost in the acquisition of this farm....."
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/dail/1931-05-20/31/
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"Hi Cyril , if you haven't already got updated information on Philip Mc Kim of Branchfield House ( and also on Mc Kim / Reid marriage) then I'm pretty sure I can fill in some gaps if you email me your queries- carmel.kelly3'at'btinternet.com. I am the current( McKim) owner of Branchfield House and a great grand niece (I think )of the last Philip Mc Kim from Branchfield........"
Carmel Kelly
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/mckim/722/
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http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/25785/19
other Wills http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9j/
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Thanks so much.
Can't believe how much information you have all found.!
I believe Matilda must have been Patrick G McKim's brother if his mother's name was Clarke as Matilda and Francis Whittaker Shaw had a son they named Follis Clarke Shaw.
George Warren Shaw and Isabella were Frank's parents (memorial)
Wow! Thought posting this was a long shot but had no idea!!
Thanks again
Val
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I was just doodling and looking at this when you posted...
this is transcribed as Surname Shaw Forename Geo N but looking at it it could be Geo W ??
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Link to above....
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/20397/30
Cornastauk/Cornastalk mentioned in snippet posted!!
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Yes George W(arren) Shaw. He did have a daughter Eliza Shaw and Matilda was the wife of his son Francis Whittaker Shaw.
Just to add another dimension to this complicated story.... Eliza Shaw married the grandfather of Olive Mary Nixon who in turn married her nephew Francis Whittaker Shaw junior!
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Question is who was Eliza Rutherford? Was she related to all the people in her will or did she just know everyone in the area 😂
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I don't know....she didn't give me anything!! ;D ;D
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"... Isabella married John TATE and it is their daughter that is with her on the 1901 census....."
Are these connected to either or both families or none?
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Question is who was Eliza Rutherford? Was she related to all the people in her will or did she just know everyone in the area 😂
Part of this lot.... I reckon
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=335061.0
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I don't want to steer you wrong but from that thread I looked up stuff in Dublin...and from memory (as I no longer have this stuff as the other poster wasn't in contact since ) these Shaws were originally from Coolaney!
I think it was stuff about a Mill.
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I know the actual will is dated 1875 but it does not tally with the calendar of wills index that says she died 1884
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014900/005014900_00404.pdf
or 319 here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06307/4808294.pdf
with reference to Eliot and Eliza Gray
See Mary Elizabeth 1867 father a Captain U S Army
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03498/2285789.pdf
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Still have this snippet...
Will of Robert Shaw, esq, Cloondarra, Co Sligo, probated May 1775..his wife was Jane
10 children
- George
William
Johnston
Robert
James
Samuel
Martha (Mrs Armstrong)
Catherine (Mrs Ennis)
Elizabeth
Mary (Mrs Rutherford)
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https://lists.rootsweb.com/hyperkitty/list/shaw.rootsweb.com/thread/7506385/
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I will have to look further but maybe James McKimm was the brother of Matilda? James being the father of Eliza Warren McKimm who married John Tate.. I saw the 1901 census with Kathleen Tate (niece) so this would fit.
Interesting that Eliza has the middle name Warren as that surname comes from the Shaw side. Eliza Warren was the mother of George Warren Shaw. Mind you Eliza Warren's sister Letitia married Francis Whittaker (the parents of Isabella Whittaker who married George Warren Shaw - obviously cousins!).
What a tangled web! Time to count the toes. :o
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Kathleen TATE was the daughter of Dr John TATE and Matilda’s sister Isabella Marion
Phone acting up or I’d add link to her birth and their marriage which was in St Peter’s in Dublin.
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Confused now 🤔 haven't had a chance to look yet but are you saying there were two John Tates? One who married Isabella McKim (sister of Matilda) and one who married Eliza Warren McKim (ah as she was James McKim's daughter she would have been Matilda's niece and not any daughter she might have had!)
Age would be incorrect too. Shouldn't jump to conclusions before finding all the evidence... My bad!
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Kathleen TATE was the daughter of Dr John TATE and Matilda’s sister Isabella Marion
Phone acting up or I’d add link to her birth and their marriage which was in St Peter’s in Dublin.
Marriage of JOHN WHITTAKER TATE of CLIFFONNEY CO SLIGO and ISABELLA MARIAN MCKIM of 12 S CIRCULAR ROAD DUBLIN
on 23 March 1882
Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. PETER
Area - DUBLIN (COI)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9k/
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Marriage of JOHN TATE of MANORHAMILTON CO LEITRIM and ANNA MARIA RUTHERFORD of 23 PALMERSTON PLACE
on 4 November 1856
Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY
Area - DUBLIN (COI)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9l/
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So now I've had a look and I'm not quite so confused ???
Robert Tate (who married Eliza Warren McKim) and John Whittaker Tate (who married Isabella Marian McKim) were brothers and sons of James Tate. Eliza Warren McKim's father was James McKim and Isabella's was Patrick McKimm.
Isabella Marian Tate died in 1889 at the age of 36 of chronic bronchitis.
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I was just about to say that! ;D
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Will calendars Tate http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9m/
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Will calendars Mckim only 1 http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639609137
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Will calendars Rutherford http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9n/
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Will calendars Shaw http://www.rootschat.com/links/01o9o/
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James Rutherford son of James married Eliza Shaw dtr Samuel 1857 at Calry,Sligo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGZS-FYJ
A James Rutherford M D died 1862 widow Eliza
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014885/005014885_00210.pdf
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Hi
I was interested to see that Matilda's mother may have been an Anne Clarke. My Clarke family are from Skreen, Sligo and a niece of my gt grandmother Margaret Clarke, had a funeral card for an Olivia Clarke Irwin originally of Tobercurry who may be a relative so I looked her up.
Olivia was born in "Tubbercurry" on 8 Sep 1832 and died in Chicago on 21 Apr 1902. Olivia, daughter of James Clarke, married John Irwin on 7 Nov 1854. Their family were born in Riverstown including daughter Olivia Jane Irwin born 1 Mar 1866. Olivia Irwin married Charles John McKimm in Chicago in 1892. Charles John McKimm, was apparently (I have not checked this out) born 1857 in Tiraree, son of Phillip W McKimm and Grace Smith.
I do have DNA matches with several people with MacKimms of Sligo in their tree, including this family, but as I appear to related to every other CofI family in Sligo, I could not say if I have an Ancestor named McKimm. I do have an Sligo Irwin ancestor, b c1800 of unknown location prior to her Skreen location, plus Wallaces from Easky and Livingstons from Killoran.
I do think Olivia Clarke had a brother Thomas Clarke of Tobercurry in 1901, (65, merchant) whose daughter Olivia was 23 in 1901. Thomas, son of James Clarke a farmer, married in co Mayo in 1867 to Catherine Cuffe.
Cheers
Linda
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Matilda McKim was my greatgrandfather's sister. I have some information on my family trees. Can be of help - but literally just joined this forum so still figuring out how to use it properly!