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My research shows that my 4 x great grandmother Sarah Vauntin married William Frederick Treble on 24/08/1933 in London. She was born on 30/09/1812 and her father was James Vautin. From the 1851 census it shows his occupation as Clerk of the Bank of England and he had a servant living with him. One of Sarah's brothers gives his occupation as a gentleman on his marriage certificate and his father is also listed as a gentleman. My 4 x great grandfather William Treble is shown on the census from 1841 to 1861 as possibly a labourer/carpenter a builder and porter. He was the illegitimate son of Mary Treble born in North Petherton Somerset in 1815. I am struggling to see how Sarah & William would have met as her family seem considerably more well to do than Williams. Would I be correct in thinking that the Vauntin's were a wealthy family and it was unusual for such a marriage to have taken place.
Thanks in advance for any help
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Is it Vautin or Vauntin? You have spelt it both ways.
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William Frederick Trebble
Sarah Vautin
St George in the East, 24 August 1833.
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James and Mary Vautin were living at Nottingham Place, Stepney when Sarah and her sisters Emma and Caroline were baptised on 14 October 1819. It was a poor and densely populated area.
I see that he is a clerk by 1841 but that doesn’t make him wealthy, by any stretch. He was living in Clapton at the end of his life, which was certainly a step up from conditions in Stepney and consistent with a clerical occupation - what we would describe perhaps as lower middle-class today. Having one house servant is again typical for this socioeconomic level at the time.
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I see that he is a clerk by 1841 but that doesn’t make him wealthy
My thought too.
Having a servant doesn't either. Even working class people had servants.
As for being a Gentleman this may apply to anyone above working class who usually had independent means but not always.
As a carpenter he may have regarded himself as upper working class. The Vautins may have been lower middle so not much of a glass ceiling to break through.
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James and Mary Vautin were living at Nottingham Place, Stepney when Sarah and her sisters Emma and Caroline were baptised on 14 October 1819.
Sarah Vautinwas born at 36 Nottingham Place Stepney on 30 sept 1812
Charles bennett was the surgeon also present was mary Hooper
Sarah's brother James Vautin married Hannah Hooper 1819 in St Marys Bow
Wonder if she was related to Mary Hooper??
Suz
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says here that James Theodore Vautin was a "Reverend " -
https://gw.geneanet.org/bmuckleston?n=vautin&oc=&p=james+theodore
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Hi,
In 1851 William F TRIBBLE is living at 16? Lucas Street, a Builder Master employing 18 men so he seems to be running a business.
I think this could be his death and burial,
William Frederick TRIBBLE Jun Q 1854 SAINT GEORGE (IN THE EAST) v.1c p.302
Age: 42
City of London and Tower Hamlets Cemetery Registers, 1841-1966
Burial Date: 20 Jun 1854
William Frederick TRIBBLE
20 Lucaas Street, St Georges East
Age: 42
This looks like Sarah in 1861,
1861 RG9/291 f.109 p.71 Mile End Old Town, Middlesex
Registration district: St George In The East
Kemp St
Sarah TRIBBLE Widow Mar 48 Stepney
Charles " Lodger Unm 18 ?? St Georges
Regards,
Daisy
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The Vautin family were respectable, non-conformist Christian, middle class people. James Theodore Vautin was a non-conformist minister, and maybe his son James was too (not sure about this). James Theodore Vautin worked at the Bank of England, and was Principle of the Treasury when he retired (not sure what that is). They are likely to marry other non-conformist Christians, sometimes meeting future spouses at the local Meeting or church they attended. James Vautin jnr. married Hannah Hooper, whose family attended the Queen Street Meeting in Ratcliff, Stepney, Middlesex, England. James Vautin baptised some of the Hooper children. One of the Hooper family worked as Agent for the Governor of the Bank of England, William Mellish; a brother and nephew had jobs at the Bank of England. The Hooper father, John, had a business as tailor and selling ready-made clothes, and supplying ships with a range of essentials (hammocks, you name it...). So these families are businessmen, or have solid jobs or careers, and are upstanding members of their community. They are neither poor nor working class. John Hooper snr's wife was Mary Calder, so she may have been the Mary Hooper who was present at the birth of the Vautin children at Nottingham Place, Stepney, in 1819.
Stepney was outside the City of London walls, and even in 1813 still had green fields, farms and market gardens. A lot of people associated with shipbuilding, provisioning and supplying ships, plus seaman and ships' captains, and so-on, lived near the river at Stepney. People in a range of income groups lived there, from the poor to the fairly wealthy. The overpopulated, horrific, slums became a problem later in the 19th Century, but these middle class families had moved out to new, greener, suburbs by then (Greenwich over the river, else out towards Walthamstow, Woodford, northwards). James and Hannah Vautin migrated to Australia.
My grandmother (a Hooper) told my mother that there were Huguenot family members in the past - this may have been the Vautin family.
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I see that he is a clerk by 1841 but that doesn’t make him wealthy
My thought too.
Having a servant doesn't either. Even working class people had servants.
As for being a Gentleman this may apply to anyone above working class who usually had independent means but not always.
As a carpenter he may have regarded himself as upper working class. The Vautins may have been lower middle so not much of a glass ceiling to break through.
He had a career in the Bank of England, moved upwards by the look of it. The Vautin family were certainly not poor, doing OK. As active and committed non-conformist Christians, they would live and behave modestly, and would look after their finances responsibly.