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Title: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: josey on Sunday 29 September 19 16:01 BST (UK)
What do you make of the annotations in this entry?

Thanks.
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 29 September 19 16:16 BST (UK)
Have you looked at the baptism entry for the other Simkins children with parents George & Ann dated 6th April 1865

James Henry, Annie, Stephen George and Thomas

She was probably present when they were baptised, possibly done again though there is no mention of her on that page
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: josey on Sunday 29 September 19 16:43 BST (UK)
Ah I see, thanks. There were a few 'bulk' baptisms that day - 4 Reddells, 4 Sim[p]kins, 3 Allens, 4 Drings & 5 Watts [if you look on next page]....a new minister perhaps?
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: artifis on Monday 30 September 19 17:13 BST (UK)
Could it be that Frances was baptised on 29 June 1850 and then received into the church on 6th April 1865?

Not uncommon for a child to be baptised soon after birth if poorly and then later formally received into the church.  I have found a few years difference as the above on a few of my ancestors.

If you Google the church you might find a list of former rectors/curates and that might include the person who made the amendment(s).
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: josey on Tuesday 01 October 19 08:00 BST (UK)
Thanks. Yes I was thrown by there being no indication that the 1850 baptism was private. The 6 April 1865 date for being received s the same as the baptism of siblings found by rosie. Will look into names of incumbents.
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: philheeks on Saturday 02 November 19 11:24 GMT (UK)
Hi There

As this normally means when they were received into the parish ie when they moved there from another parish so I wonder if she was baptised there before the family actually lived there hence her baptism being before the date she was received - I wonder if she was the first child & as was the norm the mother went home to have the baby to be close to her mother who had been through it all before her.

All the very best

Phil
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: philheeks on Tuesday 12 November 19 10:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Josey

I only just noticed that you put the full entry on this request & in my hurry took it as just a partial entry - on reading the full entry I must say its thrown me a bit as I've not come across that before & hope that you get this sorted out.

All the very best

Phil
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: mazi on Tuesday 12 November 19 11:55 GMT (UK)
Could it be that she was confirmed in April 65, the right age for a C of E confirmation, and a note was made on the baptism by a conscientious cleric, the note at the bottom being the godparents.


Modified, the note is the presenters

Mike
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: josey on Tuesday 12 November 19 13:17 GMT (UK)
I have just had another look & realise that the mark in the margin is 'P' - so a Private baptism - can also see this marked in 2 other baptisms on facing page. I had left this margin partly off in earlier post, sorry - a 'DOH' moment.
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: philheeks on Saturday 16 November 19 11:09 GMT (UK)
Re What Mazi suggests - it is very possible as its 2 females & 1 male which would be the correct godparents for a female so this deserves some thought - my only doubt is that you don't very often have the parents as godparents as well but its possible that it happened in this case

All the very best

Phil
Title: Re: 1850 baptism Frances Simkins, Chipping Norton
Post by: josey on Saturday 16 November 19 14:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your comments. Mazi did later suggest that the 3 people were the 'presenters' rather than godparents. but it's one of those cases where we can never know exactly.