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I'm trying to find out if there is any more information available for the marriage of George Rounce Springall and Ann Elizabeth Wright in Gorleston on 31st July 1831. Springall may be mis-spelt and Wright may be Bright - mis-read/transcribed in many records.
Any suggestions?
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Unfortunately I can only find transcripts, which just give names, date and place.
George Springall/Ann Wright 31 July 1831 Gorleston
Emeltom
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Hi did either or both of them survive to any census/children?
Keyboard86
PS Springall appears to be a Norfolk surname.
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Yes, they survived, had children and are in census and I'm working towards their death. I have parents names of George Rounce Springall (senior) and Charity Boyce and possibly Samuel Wright and Elizabeth but was hoping the marriage record might just confirm some of that or add another snippet: witnesses, literacy etc. Ancestry has them as Norfolk born and I believe Gorleston was a village which 'switched' between Suffolk and Norfolk which will add some confusion!
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:) OK can you provide any census for eg 1841/51 as I am having trouble locating them together?
Keyboard86
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In 1851 they are in St. Clement Danes in Middlesex. George and Ann and a whole bunch of children.
Registration District Strand
Sub Registration St. Mary
ED 6a
Household 66
Piece 1511
Folio 297
Page 11
I hope that is enough - I'm not very good with the references for census!
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:) To get a census ref is superb!
Mary Ann 1839 & Henry 1841 are with mothers maiden nane WRIGHT
I was looking for a George with Ann not Elizabeth on FindMyPast shown as Springale
Keyboard86
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:) One census ref to another:-
1841 census
George SPRINGELL 25
Elizabeth 25
George 8
Ann 9
Mary Ann 2
Henry 0
Residing at Wild Street, St Giles in the Fields
HO107/673/ 7/38 / 69
Keyboard86
PS a marriage in 1831 would not provide all the information you require, why would Wright become Bright on certain records?
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Thank you for the 1841 census.
Re the Bright/Wright change. I started researching this family some years ago and when I received the 1843 birth certificate for Edward Springall born to George and Ann I read the mother's maiden name as Bright. It looked like a 'B' and I thought it was rather a nice name! Now that I have come back to this family to resume research I have noticed that quite a few trees on Ancestry have George Rounce Springall married to Ann Elizabeth Bright. Either they have read the name the same as I have or they have taken the name from my tree! However, when I started to use the GRO indexes online to pin down the births of George and Ann's other children (the siblings of 1843 Edward) I noticed that the mother's maiden name was listed as Wright for the younger siblings even though Edward's own entry in their records was Bright.) I looked again at previous records and decided that, on balance, the handwriting could confuse the 'B' with a 'W' and that the later, GRO records were probably correct.
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You are on track with Georges Baptism, on FreeREG he is George SPRINGLE
Note on Bapt; Private. Entry Says Father Alias G. Rounce
On George/Charitys Marriage;
She signed X. He signed as Springall. Duplicate record as George Springall was alias George Rounce.
George was likely born before his Parents Marriage;
John SPRINGAL/Mary ROUNCE 28 Apr 1794 St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth
Sorry if you already have this.
Trish :)
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No, I don't have this and am a bit confused. So far, I have George Rounce Springall (1812 - 1859) who married Ann Elizabeth Wright (previously thought to be Bright). George's parents were George Rounce Springall (1791 - 1848) who married Charity Boyce (1792 - 1851) on 1st January 1812. I can't see an image for this on Ancestry. I've also got a record of a Mary Ann Springall baptised in 1817 with parents George Springall alias Rounce.
I don't know what a 'Private' baptism would be - not done during the usual Sunday service? Would a private baptism be for an illigitimate child?
And you think George Rounce Springall (1791 - 1848) was the son of John Springall and Mary Rounce who married on 28th April 1794?
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If it was thought that the baby might not survive there was often a Private Baptism held in the home. If the child did survive they were sometimes baptised again in church.
Emeltom
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All the info is from Parish Records transcribed on FreeREG;
St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth;
GEORGE Springle Baptised 23 Oct 1812 (birth 19 Oct 1812)
Parents GEORGE/CHARITY nee Boyce
Private. Entry Says Father Alias G. Rounce
Marriage;
01 Jan 1812
George SPRINGAL Bachelor
Charity BOYCE Spinster
(2 records of this Marriage on FreeREG with some extra info, witness etc)
Marriage;
28 Apr 1794
John SPRINGAL Bachelor
Mary ROUNCE Spinster
Burials;
MARY Springall 07 Nov 1811, age 46 (1765) Wife of John, maiden name Rounce
JOHN Springail 2 Jan 1820 age 50 (1770)
www.freereg.org.uk
I have more but off to bed :)
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Thank you Trish - I have followed the link and see the entries. I'm not very familiar with freereg so this has been educational!
I'm in France so I'll be off for a glass of wine now before bed. Goodnight!!!
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I though it strange they were in Surrey 1841 Census but by 1848 back in Norfolk where George was buried 19 Nov 1848
1851 Charity is back in Middlesex with Samuel/James
George Springett 40 Occp Smith
Charity Springett 45
Willm Springett 20
Robert Springett 15
Edward Springett 15
Charles Springett 11
Samuel Springett 9
James Springett 6
This appears to be Charitys Death Reg;
SPRINGALL, CHARITY age 65****
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in POPLAR UNION Volume 01C Page 395
So born c 1792**
Which leads to a Baptism of Charity BOYSE 14 Jun 1792 Great Yarmouth to JOHN/MARY Boyce
( Mary nee WOODROW)
A MARY ANN Boyce was a witness to the 1812 Marriage of George and Charity
Charity had siblings;
MARY ANN 1784***
JOHN 1786
EDWARD 1789
ELIZABETH 1795
JOHN 1796
JOSEPH CLIM 1799 (from other info may be Joseph Clement Boyce)
WILLIAM 1802
All except Mary Ann have Mothers maiden name as Woodrow
Ok, good confirmation;
Charity/George Springall were witnesses to Mary Ann Boyces Marriage 24 Dec 1815 to James AYRES
So Sisters witnessed one anothers Marriages.
Trish :)
I think the Marriage may have been hard to read and mistranscribed;
John BOGS/Mary WOODROW 20 Oct 1783 (Bachelor/Spinster)
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Crikey! I am amazed - and very grateful for your time. You have saved me so much time on research. I enjoy research but my real passion is to write the biographies because I think the people are so much more than names and dates and I like to tell their story. Your help here has really put me on track for more generations than I anticipated finding.
Thank you!
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Your very welcome :)
I agree with you I like to find what our Ancestors did.where they lived and try and flesh out their lives!
Trish
(in Sydney)
EDIT;
On Census Joseph Clim (Clement) Boyse/Boyce seems to go under Clement in Census.
He died 1855 as Clement.
Now I think this leads back another generation which you can look at for yourself on FreeREG.
Marriage,
Caister, 5 Oct 1742
Charity DEAN
Clement BOYCE
Clement/Charity Bapt a Son JOHN 20 Jan 1760 Great Yarmouth
So likely the John who married Mary Woodrow 1783
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John SPRINGALL (1770 - 1819) baptised 21st January 1770 in Corton to John SPRINGALL (1736 - 1812) and Mary GOFFEN (1735 - 1802).
John SPRINGALL (1736 - 1812) married Mary GOFFEN (1735 - 1802) in Blundeston, Suffolk on 16th October 1760.
John SPRINGALL baptised 21st March 1736 in Blundeston, Suffolk to John SPRINGALL (1708 - 1770) and Elizabeth BOLLARD (1711 - 1763).
John SPRINGALL (1708 - 1770) married Elizabeth BOLLARD (1711 - 1763) in Blundeston, Suffolk on 22nd September 1733.
John SPRINGALL (1708 - 1770) - father was Robert SPRINGALL, mother Letitia THROWER from the research I have so far.
Kind Regards
Paul
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Wow! I can't believe there is so much/so many generations available.
'Thank you' doesn't really seem to cover it!
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Bev Weston's website has the following pages which have been of help when I was researching my link to the SPRINGALL family.
https://sites.google.com/site/bevweston/Home/spring-1700s-htm
https://sites.google.com/site/bevweston/Home/spring-1800s-htm
https://sites.google.com/site/bevweston/Home/spring-early-htm
https://sites.google.com/site/bevweston/Home/springall_strays-htm