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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: weemalla on Monday 07 October 19 08:32 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for the names of 8 sons and 5 daughters to John McDonald c1847-1907 and Ann(e) Burns 1852-1903 married 1874 in Grafton, both died in Grafton NSW, and who are John's parents? I have it that Ann is the daughter of John Burns & Ellen Thomson and was born in Lanarkshire, Scotland and arrived in Australia in Jan 1864 with her parents on the 'Sirocco', but have no clue on John McDonalds parents. All help is appreciated.
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You need to see this marriage record -
NSW BDM marriage
2485/1874 MACDONALD John marr. BURNS Ann @ Grafton
Can you list all the information on the document.
What is your source for the information about Ann BURNS?
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It appears that there are two families in Grafton. There is John and Ann and John and Annie Euphemia.
The one with Burns in the children’s names is Annie Euphemia.
The one with Thompson in a name is Ann.
You can search for them on NSWBDM.
Jamjar
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Where have you got the number of children from?
You have John and Ann’s death certs?
Jamjar
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Clarence and Richmond Examiner, NSW.30 Oct 1903
Obituary.
Mrs. MoDoDONALD, wife of Captain MoDonald, of the Iolanthe, died on Wednesday night, after an illness of eight days from pleurisy and pneumonia. The deceased was a native of Stenhouse, Scotland, and had been 38 years in the State, and was 62 years of age. She leaves a family of 13 children, 12 of whom were with her at the end. One son, John, only returned on Monday after a 12 months' yoyage round the world. A married daughtor, Mrs. Allen, arrived after her mother's death. There are wide-spread expressions of sympathy throughout the district with Captain MoDonald and his family in their
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Death notice for the Anne, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article61398227
Death notice for her John, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article234814215
Jamjar
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It is Ellen Thompson McD, born in 1876, who married Mr Allen:
6778/1902 ALLEN Thomas to McDONALD Ellen T GRAFTON
Her mother is Ann at birth.
Jamjar
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The captain McD had a son Donald, that I don’t see a birth for, 5th column:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article121360801
The captain’s obit, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article121382791
Jamjar
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Just to add to the confusion:
This is the captains death: 1304/1907 MCDONALD John parents JOHN and ANNIE
Jamjar
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Wonder if this is his birth registration:
1082/1852 MCDONALD John V18521082 51 parents John and Anne
There are 5 sequential registrations with folks John and Anne, which include a Colin and an Ellen. The John and Ann in Grafton had a Colin and an Ellen. Could be coincidental, of course.
Jamjar
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Read about the McDonalds and others: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article120596700
Jamjar
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Death of son Garland: 41865/1972 MCDONALD Garland Leslie parents JOHN and ANNIE LEONARDS
Death notice gives his siblings, 1st page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19720121&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
I think his brother Weston may be this Douglas Weston. If it is it looks like it may assist with sorting the John and Anne and the John and Euphemia children. Unless the captains wife was moving about. ;)
19895/1890 MCDONALD Douglas W parents JOHN and ANNIE E at MACLEAN.
18743/1969 MCDONALD Douglas Weston parents JOHN and ANNIE ST LEONARDS
Death and funeral notices, 1st page: https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=lL5f5cZgq8MC&dat=19690528&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
Other siblings mentioned:
1879 Elsie Maud born to Annie E at GRAFTON
1885 Walter J born to Annie E at GRAFTON
1894 Flora I M born to Annie E at ULMARA
9288/1979 MACDONALD Flora Ivy May parents JOHN and ANNIE EUPHEMIA
1895 Ivy E born to Annie E at ULMARA - this is Mrs Austin
I can’t find Campbell and Del.
Jamjar
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Hi Have you checked this site
https://austcemindex.com
there is a photo of John McDonald's Headstone which states that he was born on the Hunter 2.12.1847 and died at Grafton 14.3.1907 There are lots of other photos of McDonald headstone in Grafton Cemetery, including Johns Wife Annie.
https://austcemindex.com/inscription?id=9835601#images
hope this site helps and it is the correct John
Cass
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I found in the obit for the eldest son John Allan McDonald in the Argus & Clarence River General Advertiser, 16 Feb 1910 the names of the children "Of the five daughters, the eldest is the wife of Captain Allan, of the tug boat Volunteer, Bellingen Heads, and the remainder, Misses Annie, Emily, Susan and Jean McDonald, are unmarried and reside in Grafton' but I cant find what became of these girls. Were they raised/adopted by aunts, cousins or others?. Did they marry? Can you help with this please.
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If the girls were teenagers it's possible that they stayed on living at home. They were very competent and resourceful in those days.
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Hi weemalla,
I think this obituary for Ann Gillies McDonald in 1952 is relevant. She cared for the younger members of her family after her mother died.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article194759475
It gives the married names of her sisters and location of her brothers
Ros
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Here is marriage announcement for Jean to Ralph Stafford in 1921
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15971980
Here is a birth announcement for the couple http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16113426
Ros
adding : from NSW BDM marriage 1921
16718/1921 Ralph D Stafford , Jeanette McDonald, at Randwick
adding : death 1975
24574/1975 Jeanette STAFFORD, father John, mother Annie
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From NSW BDM
Marriage
9678/1925
Allen P.R. EHRENBERG, to Susie McDonald at Sydney
Death
12002/1981 Susie ERHRENBER, mother Annie, father John
Ros
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Here is Allan EHRENBERG's death notice (husband of Sue)
From Sydney Morning Herald 27th March 1967
Ros
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There is a probate packet for Anne Gillies McDonald who died 26/7/1952 at NSW Archives
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
I can photograph this for you next time I am there - it should contain a death cert, a will and details of heirs.
Ros
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Here is a photo and engagement notice for the daughter of Jean and Ralph (mentioned in birth notice)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article229613524
Ros
adding :
They married in 1951
And here is husband's WW2 service summary http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=A&VeteranId=707636
Kevin James MOEN died in 2003 in Queensland, late of Strathpine Gardens, formerly of Sydney age78
(from ryserson index http://ryersonindex.org/search.php )
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Engagement notice notice for daughter of Sue and Allan EHRENBERG (mentioned In Allan's death notice)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18267002
They married in 1953
Ros
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Hi,
Archibald (born 10/6/1771 died 1841), remained in Keppock, near Broadford, Isle of Skye. He did not go with the other members of his family because of his engagement to a woman named Susan Robertson. During or about the year 1802 Archibald Macdonald and Susan Robertson were married and their interests were carried on for them in land and estates in America for some considerable time, as they had received letters to that effect. Finally, the great Southern War of America deprived landowners of their estates and made poor men of many who had been well off before. Grandson Norman says Not many acres and I understand he had to work very hard to maintain his large family
Although Archibald and his wife always entertained the idea of sailing for America it was never fulfilled and they lived their life in Skye and reared a virile and cheerful family of 4 sons and 6 daughters
(Written by W.B. Macdonald, 45 Perkin St. Newcastle, ( Australia), Dec. 9, 1939)
their first child was John The Elder who married Margaret McInnes and came to Australia with 2 children, a third being born shortly after arrival. She Died 2 years later and he remarried Ann Gillies in Morpeth. They later moved to the Manning River. They had 9 children together. John Allen was the 3rd of these. John Allen married Annie Burns in 1874. their children
JOHN ALLAN (SONNY) 1875
ELLEN THOMPSON (AUNTIE SIS OR SISSIE) 1876
NORMAN (TWIN 1878
DONALD (TWIN) 1878
WILLIAM BURNS 1879
JAMES BURNS 1880
ANN GILLIES 1882
NEIL 1884
ARCHIBALD 1885
COLIN BORN 1886 DIED 1887
COLIN 1888
EMILY (AUNTIE PRIM) 1889
SUSAN 1891
ROBERT BURNS 1893
JANET J (AUNTIE JEAN) 1896
JAMES BURN 1898
hope this helps