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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Ratty2 on Tuesday 08 October 19 00:03 BST (UK)
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Christian Schunemann 1858-1928. Born at Steinacker, Schleswig Holstein; migrated c1880 to USA; fetched up at South Dakota where he married twice with children, and died there.
Looking for baptism record of 1858-1859 at Flensburg and district. Through Archion database not at Esgrus nor Kappeln. Not confirmation 1857 at either of those churches.
Your assistance would be most welcome
Thanks
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a bit more info would be helpful.
Where did you get the place names Steinacker, Flensburg, Esgrus and Kappel from?
Who were his parents
etc
Dave
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what documents do you have?
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Steinacker appears in Meyer's Gazeteer as part of Niesgrau, Kreis Flensburg. Today a street. Steinacker taken from earliest research by family, unsourced. Meyer's Gazeteer refers to Kappeln and Esgrus. From Google map they looked to be closest parish churches to Steinacker, Steinbergkirche on current map; seemed a likely starting place.
There may be other parish churches in that area.
Looking for the 1858-59 baptism record in order to discover parents. Parents are not named on death certificate.
Previous family research from US has brought this result to Steinacker, not corroborated.
Cheers
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Steinacker appears in Meyer's Gazeteer as part of Niesgrau, Kreis Flensburg. Today a street. Steinacker taken from earliest research by family, unsourced. Meyer's Gazeteer refers to Kappeln and Esgrus. From Google map they looked to be closest parish churches to Steinacker, Steinbergkirche on current map; seemed a likely starting place.
There may be other parish churches in that area.
Looking for the 1858-59 baptism record in order to discover parents. Parents are not named on death certificate.
Previous family research from US has brought this result to Steinacker, not corroborated.
Cheers
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My first thought was that it should be Schönemann, but I see the name Schünemann exists in north Germany, probably a variant of Scheunemann (Scheune = barn). Names of immigrants to the USA were frequently corrupted.
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Thanks, yes "Etymologisches worterbuch fur Deutschen familiennamen", by Brechenmacherr, has 'Schuenemann' = barn+man.
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Esgrus, Kappel, Flensburg etc. are all places in Schleswig-Holstein (Slesvig-Holsten in Danish)
Schleswig-Holstein was under Danish jurisdiction up till 1864
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schleswig-Holstein#Duchies_in_the_Danish_realm
The Danish rule ended in 1864 with the 2. Slesvigske Krig - Deutsch-Dänischer Krieg
So that means the Schünemann´s were living in Denmark at the time of Christians Birth.
Here are a couple of links to the Danish census Database
http://www.ddd.dda.dk/dddform_uk.asp
https://www.danishfamilysearch.com/search/
For County try: Syd Slesvig, Holsten or Slesvig-Holsten
Name: Schünemann
I could´nt find any hits.
This link will only help if you can read old German
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/rif/rif-collection/7
Dave
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Thanks for all that, Dave. Thanks for checking. Thanks for the map.
Will keep looking
Cheers
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Ratty, you evidently have a problem not just with umlaut letters but also with adjectival endings and capital letters. I'm sure it's the etymologisches Wörterbuch für deutsche Familiennamen.
And yes, it's an interesting map, a chapter of history I knew nothing about. We learn something every day.
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My original enquiry was from some hand written findings compiled from the memory of a grandmother. In my talks on family history I make the point that ‘just because grandma said it, does not make it true.’
Danish National Archives agree. All the information supplied for Christian Schunemann born about 1858 at Steinacker (or an unknown place written as Stanoger) will now have to be re-checked.
I have also been through the Danish databases without any joy.
I'll work on what is factual and authenticated during the week and get back to you.
David
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David
You called him Christian, on his death cert he ist called Hans.
Therfore, i take it that we are looking for Hans Christian Schünemann / Schönemann
I posted your query in another forum and they may have found a lead.
They found a baptism record for a Hans Christian Schöneman – 27.2.1859 in Rødding, Brændstrup, Denmark
They also found an entry for Hans Christian Schönneman, aged 1, in the Danish census 1860 / Rødding, Haderslev
Father: Christopher Schönneman
Mother: Sophie Caroline nee Wulf
Another find for Hans Christian Schönneman, aged 21, in the Danish census 1880 / Ribe, Hjarup, Denmark
Further, a marriage record for Hans Christian Schöneman and Anna Marie Langrad in Ribe 1879
I have doc´s and screenshots to support these finds.
Will deal with the place name Stanoger in next post
Dave
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Right. Assuming this is the right area.
There is a small place called Stavnager, if i am right, pronouced (Stou noger) which is similar to
Stanoger
Here´s a link to Stavnagergard - http://217.63.96.41/sogn1170/stednavne25250
Gard = farm
https://www.google.de/maps/place/Stavnagervej+11,+6760+Ribe,+D%C3%A4nemark/@55.3201999,8.8772493,3a,75y,135.8h,87.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfx6qnDcwfw0hfydiiAA46g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x464b4843ee9a9823:0xa65dc3acd38884b2!8m2!3d55.319671!4d8.87814
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What do you think?
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Dear Dave,
What do I think ?
I think it's brilliant. Sounds logical to me.
I'd like to get hold of those docs if I may, and I reckon your maps etc are just the cats whiskers.
Very grateful
David
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Hi David,
i have the marriage cert for H C Schü(ö)nemanns parents
Johann Friedrich Christoph Schönemann and Sophie Caroline Wulff
1851 in Hygum
and
The death cert for Sophie Caroline Schönemann, 3 Feb 1882 in Rødding
Do you want to do the rest through the forum?
I could send you the doc´s and further info per mail. As you wish
we had contact in 2017. So I have your email address, if it hasn´t changed!
Regards
Dave
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Hi
Here is the same family. You probably have these by now:
1880 Census in Hjarup Parish:
http://ao.sa.dk/ao/data.ashx?bid=11940212
H.C. Schoneman, Anne and Hans with Johanna Wulff passenger list to USA 1880:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oig/
Ian
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Thanks Dave, yes, I would appreciate those docs, My email is now as it was.
David
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Hi jamcat95,
I am having trouble with the Danish Census. Try as I might I do not find the entries you found. Clearly I am a dunce. I need to know the County v the Town v the Hundred etc.
Would be mightily grateful to be hand fed the entries you have found.
Thanks
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Here you have the first page to the 1880 census book. The page the family is on is p10.
https://www.sa.dk/ao-soegesider/da/billedviser?bsid=54754#54754,11940203
Ian
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Ok, i´ll get what i have over to you per mail.
- Baptism index entry from 1859
- I have the census 1860 and 1880
- Birth cert for the child Hans Jessen Schönemann in 1879
- marriage cert with anna Landvag 1879
- Marriage cert of the parents Johann Friedrich Christoph Schönemann and Sophie Caroline Wulff 1851
get them off to you shortly
I can give you the links if you prefer. As you wish
Dave
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Thanks Ian, got it.
Thanks Dave, please do.
Cheers