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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: apollonia on Friday 11 October 19 19:23 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm trying to find the parents of Florence Gething who married Henry Forrest in 1918. Reg district Stourbridge. On Ancestry there are two Florence Gethings and one Florrie whom it could possibly be. Help much appreciated.
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If you obtain the marriage certificate you will obtain her father's name and occupation, which would help enormously.
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Thank you for your reply, however, I am doing this for a friend, so hopefully, I will be able to find out without her having to purchase any certificates at this stage. Thanks again.
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If you look at 1939 Register it will give her date of birth. Then you may be able to find her birth on the GRO index with a mother's maiden name.
Then find the marriage of a male Gething to someone with that maiden name. Hopefully you can then find that couple on the census records of 1911 and 1901 with a daughter Florence (or Florrie).
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Sometimes the 1939 has the correct (probably) day and month of birth, but the wrong year.
So it could confirm which Florence/Florrie you want, but the marriage certificate is really the best way to go.
If the friend is serious that they want the correct family it would be foolish to avoid paying out now and follow totally the wrong tree.
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This is from Staffordshire bmd's showing on Ancestry
Florence Gething
Birth Date: 18th November 1889 in Staffordshire, England
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Chempat -- I do so agree with you about the marriage certificate. That will be definitive proof of the father.
As apollonia didn't want to go down this route - the 1939 and the birth registration/likely marriage of parents, was the only alternative that I could come up with
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Thank you all for your help. Much appreciated.
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its worth posting this request on the Warwickshire pages as a lot of the Stourbridge district was in that county
All the very best
Phil
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Thanks,
I 'll try that.
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The Florence Gething b Dec qtr 1889 was illegitimate so her marriage cert will probably not help unless any father shown has a different surname than Gething
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In that case - do any of the Florence/Florrie Gethings you found in 1901/1911 Apollonia - show her with just a mother? Or is she with a family and shown as step-daughter?
Carole - did you find a baptism to know she was illegitimate please?
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Using the freebmd entry for the 1889 birth entry I used GRO online and no mmn shown
There is an 1891 entry for a 1yr old Florrie Gething - parents John & Emma. They are living in the Cannock RD which is the same as the 1889 birth reg. They have a 3yr old dtr Minnie & GRO online shows mmn as Walklate
There is a March qtr 1890 birth for Florry Gething mmn Walklate. Florry was b 30.11.1889
Florence birth reg March qtr 1890 without a mmn is on the 1939 register. See birthdate posted above from Ancestry entry and you have the answer re parentage
If she is not found under Gething 1891-1911 you need to look for a female Gething marriage from Dec qtr 1889 onwards then check census entries to see if there is a daughter Florence born before the marriage
Alternatively - buy a copy of the birth cert to get her mothers christian name
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Thank you Carole -- it's complicated!
I have looked for a marriage between a Gething and a Walklate without success. Of course, the mother may have been married before - so her surname at marriage would not be the same as her maiden name at the registration of a child.
In addition BOTH surnames could easily be mistranscribed.
I am stuck! I agree with your suggestion of obtaining the birth cert of the child registered at the correct time as per birth date in 1939.
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The marriage was 1887. Emma Elizabeth Walklate and John Gethin (misspelt)
I'm sure that illegitimate birth is the correct one so once you have the birth cert you will have her mothers name
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I had looked on The Genealogist for that marriage - as you can search for a name with the first name of a spouse and normally up it will pop -- In this case, no matter how I did it (and I did it 'phonetically') -- no results over this period.
Both surnames must be mis-spelt on that site. Well found Carole.
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I initially tried finding it as Gething with spouse christian name Emma - zilch
Thankfully Emma had an unusual surname and freebmd had it transcribed correctly.
I think Florence's marriage cert would be a waste of money as it will either show no father or she will have made one up for "respectability" purposes.
When you get the birth cert - update this post so we can try and find her in the censuses
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Thank you so much for your great efforts. I have been unable to follow up these suggestions at the moment. I will post on here when I eventually discover anything else. Thank you so much once again.
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How can I contact you please?
I've been looking for this lady for years! Looking at what you are asking, I suspect I have the half of the information you need and you have the half of the information I need.
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I see so many helpful replies in this thread, perhaps someone else here can help me?
I have been helping "Anona", an 82 year old lady who doesn't know who her father was. She has taken the Ancestry test and we have managed to establish who her grandfather was. We have also managed to establish that the grandfather didn't marry the grandmother and we still haven't found the child (her father).
She also has 28 DNA matches that suggests that her great-grandparents are John Gethin (1863 Staffordshire) and Emma Walklate (1867 Staffordshire). They had 10 children. 8 of those children have been eliminated leaving only two girls as suspects for her grandmother. Florrie Gethin and Dorothy Gethin.
We have established the movements of Dorothy Gethin from birth to death and it seems unlikely she is the grandmother (but haven't been able to rule out her having a child and putting it up for adoption completely).
Florrie Gethin
Florrie was born 30th November 1889 in Hednesford, Staffordshire to John Gethin and Emma Walklate (as Florrie Gethin)
In the 1891 census she is living with her parents John and Emma Gethin in Hednesford, Staffordshire (listed as Florrie Gething).
In the 1901 census she is living with Edwin and Elizabeth Grundy in Radcliffe in Lancashire (listed as Florrie Gethin). Her aunt Sarah Walklate was previously a domestic for Edwin and Elizabeth Grundy - there is no family connection to the Grundys.
21 April 1904 she is baptized in Radcliffe, Lancashire aged 14. (listed as Florrie Gethin).
In the 1911 census she is living with Alfred and Annie Hubble (Annie Walklate Hubble is her aunt) at 5 Orchard Road, Balsall Heath, Worcestershire. (listed as Florrie Gethin)
In 1918 she marries Henry Forrest in Stourbridge, Worcestershire (listed as Florence Gething).
And from there, I lose her. I have no idea what happens to her. I note some previous comments in this thread that she is living in Staffordshire and has children? Perhaps someone can help me with that please? Or apollonia, perhaps you know more history that would assist me?
Thanks very much.
Janie
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Thanks to the helpful comments in this thread and elsewhere on the forum, I've been able to establish 4 children.
Harry Forrest born 1920 Walsall Staffordshire.
Florence May Forrest born 1922 Walsall Staffordshire married Peter Golding.
Vincent J Forrest born 1924 Walsall Staffordshire married Lily M Lovell.
Ronald James Forest born 1928 Walsall Staffordshire.
Are there any other children? Preferably born earlier than 1920 to Florrie Gethin?
Can anyone help me find a living descendant that I could contact and talk to please?
Thanks very much.
Janie
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Hi Janie & welcome to Rootschat
Apollonia who started this thread has not been online with Rootschat since last December but she will get an email notifying her of your reply.
Do you have a copy of the 1918 marriage cert confirming that her father was John? As you will see from earlier replies - there are 2 births very close together for her name and one was illegitimate
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Thank you Carole, I appreciate your assistance.
Janie
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Have added a bit to my reply above which you may not have seen
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I don't, but the other child is her cousin, daughter of Maria Gething (unmarried). She remains in Hednesford.
This one moves to Worcestershire in 1911 to live with the Hubbles. I will get around to getting the marriage certificate to prove it for sure one day. At the moment, I'm still trying to establish who is most likely Anona's grandmother before I have to order and pay for lots of certificates.
Thanks for checking.
Janie
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The Florence who married Henry Forrest was b 18.11.1889 (not 1890 as shown on the 1939)
www.freebmd.org.uk has 2 births - both in the Cannock registration district
Florence Gething December qtr 1889 - no mothers maiden name - illegitimate
Florry Gething March qtr 1890 mmn Walklate
The 1918 marriage to Henry Forrest shows her as Florence - not Florry. The 1891 entry with parents John & Emma (nee Walklate) refers to her as Florrie as does the 1901 entry
You can find her on the 1939 register with Henry but birthyear is shown as 1890 although day & month are correct
Births to the marriage can be found using freebmd to search Forrest births with mothers maiden name Gething/Gethin
However - it is still not certain which of the 2 birth entries married Henry Forrest unless you have the 1918 marriage cert
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Just found these entries on Staffs BMD
Florry Gething born 30.11.1889
Florence Gething born 18.11.1889
Florence is the one who married Henry - see 1939 register
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OK, thank you. I'll trace them both for sure.
Janie
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Do you know you can order pdf copies of birth certs for £7 instead of the full price of £11? Does not extend to marriage certs - only births to 1919 & deaths to 1957
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Yes I do, thank you.
Janie