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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: EmmaParker on Wednesday 16 October 19 11:27 BST (UK)
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In the Lincoln Visitations I have found a description of a coat of arms -- it matchs the description in family papers - but I don't know what it actually looks like. My searches via the family name "Goodhand" don't produce a result that appears to go with the description.
The description is
Arms. — Quarterly, 1 and 4, Chequy Ardent and Gules on afess Azure three dexter hands
mailed of the first (Goodhand). 2 and 3, xWycnt a chevron Azure between
three lions rampant Gules (Harvye). On an escucheon of pretence, Barry
of six Ermine and Gules three crescents Sable an annulet Or for difference
(Waterton.)
Cbkst. — An armed arm embowed proper holding a sword Argent hilt and pomel Or.
Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
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Google "family crest Goodhand" . It's the red and white chequered one.
https://images.app.goo.gl/jMuEiF9czbotsXbc8
Martin
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Sorry Martin, the arms that belong to that blazon are a bit more complicated than the ones which appear on your link :)
The arms are quartered and in the top left and bottom right will appear the silver and red checked arms that appear on that link (but the fess - the band across the middle should be Azure = blue).
In the other quarters the arms are those of Harvye - Argent (silver) background, with an upside down V and 3 lions rampant - 2 above the V and one inside it (it's a bit hard to explain!) - the lions should be red.
In the middle of the shield is an escutcheon of pretence - a little shield which will be 6 horizontal bars alternate ermine and Gules (red) and on top of this three black crescents and a very small gold ring in the middle for difference indicating that the escutcheon belongs to a fifth son.
The crest is like the one on the Goodhand arms that Marin linked to.
The main arms represent the marriage of a Mr Thomas Goodhand to a Miss Jane Harvye who was an heraldic heiress and so the arms were quartered when their sons impaled them - one of their male line GG sons, William Goodhand has then married an heraldic heiress, Miss Anne Waterton, and William is bearing Anne's father's arms 'in pretence' - their sons will then 'quarter' them with the quarters already in the arms. Augustine Waterton of Messingham, Anne's father, is likely to be a fifth son, indicated by the annulet - but his pedigree doesn't appear in the Visitation.
I will try and find a picture of the arms in full ... or sketch one.
Liz
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Martin & Liz - thank you both.
I had been pondering over the one Martin found. It didn't seem to match the full description, as I thought the arms described were quartered.
Liz - it does sound far more complicated than I thought. I'd been sent this site (about 30 min ago) on meaning of heraldic arms descriptions, but was struggling to picture what it must look like.
https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/index.htm (https://www.heraldsnet.org/saitou/parker/index.htm)
Never appreciated before how complicated heraldry was.
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With apologies for the lions rampant that look more like scared squirrels - here is what the arms should look like - I have left off the crest as it is as in the link above.
Liz
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;D
it does sound far more complicated than I thought.
That's why it is so fascinating! Rewarding too when a coat of arms can help you solve a family history mystery. ;D
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Liz, you are right. I didn't read all the question.
Martin
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Liz thank you so much - it makes so much sense now.
Just been calculating back - I think the William Goodhand that married Miss Ann Waterton was my 10x great-grandfather. I have been trying to write the tree and the arms make a great addition.
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That's why it is so fascinating! Rewarding too when a coat of arms can help you solve a family history mystery. ;D
Is there any way to find out if there was a family motto linked to this coat?
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I have looked in Fairbairn's which lists mottos and crests https://archive.org/stream/fairbairnsbookof01fair#page/n5/mode/2up/search/goodhand/ (https://archive.org/stream/fairbairnsbookof01fair#page/n5/mode/2up/search/goodhand/) and can't see a motto related to the Goodhand arms. The motto which appears on the non-quartered arms in the link posted earlier has other names against it.
Liz
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After the death of Ann Waterman's father the arms which are on the little shield (the inescutcheon) will become one of the main quarters when the arms are inherited by a son or sons of Ann and William. So the son of William and Ann (there was only one I think called Charles as William's other sons were by his other wife and therefore not entitled to these specific arms) would quarter the arms as follows:
GOODHAND (gloved hands on chequy) (top left) HARVYE (lions) (top right)
WATERMAN (crescents) (bottom left) GOODMAN (gloved hands on chequy) (bottom right)
Depending on who Charles married and what children he had would determine how the arms might change for the next generations - or stay the same - and who would inherit them - and whether you - as his 10th GG child had a claim to them!
Liz
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Is there any way to find out if there was a family motto linked to this coat?
There may be a motto, but not a "family" motto.
Coats-of-Arms (including a motto) belong to a named individual and his descendants (usually male descendants).
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Thanks Liz, Martin & KG for all your help. At the risk of pushing my luck and your patience further, I have another coat of arms I can't picture. It does follow on from the Goodhands. The description is handwritten and although I have tried to type it up, some words might not be clear.
1st & 6th Parker sa: a bricks
head ad neck ernsed carbossed
between two flannches or
2nd Goodhand . Cheqnyargis gules
on a fesse azure 3 sinister
gauntlets of the first
3rd Thorsbye . sa.a.chevron
bewtenn three mullets arg:
4th Harveye . Rg : a chevron az :
between 3 lioneels rampanet gu :
5 Waterton Barry of berm : agu :
over all 3 crescents sa : an ammulet
or for difference
1st Crest for Parker a brick's head
& neck erased affrontel or .
2nd Crest for Goodhand an arm
in armour embowed pp holdinng
a sword org. hilt & pornel or:
Motto for Parker “Non nobis naseimur”
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Starting at the top:
1st and 6th (For Parker) sable a buck's head caboshed between 2 flaunches argent
2nd (For Goodhand) chequy argent and gules on a fesse azure three sinister gauntlets of the first
3rd (For Thorsbye?) sable a chevron between three mullets argent
4th (For Harveye) argent a chevron azure between 3 lionels rampant gules
5th (For Waterton) barry of ermine and gules three crescents sable; an annulet or for difference
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Attached Parker and Waterton.