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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Deesider on Thursday 17 October 19 22:05 BST (UK)
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Hi Can any body help,
I believe that the attached photograph is of a Joseph Audley, who arrived in the USA in November 1923 and died in Boston in 1930.
Can anybody advise whether he is wearing a US naval uniform of the period and please ignore the mobile phone in the image!!!
Regards
The Wirral Way
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no phone but no date either
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japeflakes,
Many thanks for your improved image.
Regards
The Wirral Way
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I may be wrong but I always associate the white sailors hat with the US Navy, my Father was in the navy during WW2 and his hat was dark.
Carol
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If you Google "US Navy 1925 hat image", or replace the year with WWI or WWII you will get an idea of what the US caps looked like. All look familiar to me, raised in the US, and do not look like the hat in your picture of Joseph Audley.
I associate the style of his hat with some other country, but I just can't place which. If you can rule out the UK,then maybe it was Canada or Australia, I don't know.
Someone on this board will know for sure, the answers to UK military questions that I read here amaze me.
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Cap is neither UK nor Australian. IF it is USN, try googling Cracker Jack Dixie Cup Military Cap
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Maybe it is a US hat of some kind. a few like it came back with those searches I suggested earlier, but not exactly.
Here is one that looks similar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:James_R._Ward;h92309.jpg
but the text with the picture says that the cap always had the wearer's ship's name or station on it, until 1941
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniforms_of_the_United_States_Navy
searching the photo via Google images didn't help.
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Looks like US Navy to me. Compare this photo of Humphrey Bogart in uniform in 1918
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3820/9210017001_92d109620c_o.jpg
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Here is another US one from WW1.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/ww1-rppc-sailor-men-uniforms-navy-1875035286
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The shirt matches but the hat doesn't. That is what I can't figure out. And the WWII era hat was the same as WWI, so if Joseph was in the US 1923 - 1930, then he should have the same hat.
Maybe he was in training. I don't know enough about that to say and I googled that but didn't find anything that helped.
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The shirt matches but the hat doesn't. That is what I can't figure out. And the WWII era hat was the same as WWI, so if Joseph was in the US 1923 - 1930, then he should have the same hat.
Maybe he was in training. I don't know enough about that to say and I googled that but didn't find anything that helped.
The hats do match, it is just the way they are worn and the angles of the photos that confuse the issue.
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It appears to my eyes, he is wearing a “silk” (like RN ratings uniform) under the blue-denim 3-striped collar. Did the USN use “silks”? A thought springs to mind; US Coastguard perhaps?
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Must be U.S. Navy surely.
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Thanks to all for your messages.
A number of you have made reference to the 'Cracker Jack Dixie Cup Military Cap' including a link to Humphrey Bogart wearing such a cap.
To me looking at several images of such a cap, it appears to me that this Cracker Jack Cap has a wide brim completely around the the circumference and this brim points upwards (see the photo I have attached). This is very different from the hat being worn by Joseph Audley in my original message
Regards
The Wirral Way
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Agree that the cap worn by Joseph Audley in the first image differs from your second image.
Perhaps there are U.S. navy records you could check for a possible enlistment 1923-30 or look
at navy records for his country of origin. The photo could date from an earlier period unless there
is a photographer/studio mark on the photo which identifies it as U.S.A in origin. It could possibly
be a costume ???
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Replica at Walmart. US Navy cap.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Rothco-G-I-Type-Navy-White-Sailor-Hat-Large/197153802?sourceid=csebr03aee74a44ec33481da4d438ad119ac7b0&wmlspartner=bizratecom&affcmpid=4144365620&tmode=0000&veh=cse&szredirectid=15715432580413575987410090301008005
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Would say that Joseph Audley is wearing a Dixie Cup Hat:
"the sailors who wore them as they could bend the cover to reflect their individual personality"
https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/this-is-the-history-behind-the-navys-dixie-cup
The link above also describes the USN "Donald Duck" flat hat, this was the hat with the ships name headband which was discontinued in 1941.
In the famous photo below the sailor has fashioned his hat similar to Joseph Audley:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/19/sailor-iconic-times-square-kissing-photo-end-second-world-war/
The jumper, collar and silk that Joseph Audley is wearing is consistent with US Navy.
The blue of the collar is a similar shade to the jumper.
Tony
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All,
Many thanks for all your replies.
At the moment I am with aus*jen as I do not see how Joseph Audley can be wearing a Dixie hat.
Does anyone know of a website that has comprehensive collection of US naval records.
All I know about Joseph Audley is that he arrived in New York in November 1923. He is recorded in the 1930 US Federal Census in Boston as Joseph Adley (yes Adley) an elevator operator. His death registration later in 1930 records him as Joseph Audley an elevator operator.
Regards
The Wirral Way
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The hat doesn't look real to me as though it has been added or modified...it looks like a white band has been created just below the top brim :-\
Carol
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Treetotal,
Thanks for your message
Regards
The Wirral Way