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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: KatieJJones on Saturday 19 October 19 18:04 BST (UK)
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Hiya Rootchat! I have a big challenge for you.
So, my 4x Great Grandfather was called George Everill however after 1882, I have seemingly lost track of him. He was born illegitimately as George Everard Bennett as he was born before his parents married. Then his name ended up being George Everard Everill. His dad died soon after and his mother remarried by 1871.
George than for some reason came down to Bingham, Nottinghamshire and met and married who would become my 4 Great Grandmother Rebecca Smalley. They lived in Bingham until roughly 1882 where they moved to Nottingham and then after that he disappeared. He isn't on the census with his family from 1891 onwards. Rebecca still marked her marital status as Married until 1939 until she became Widow.
He was involved in criminal activities being arrested both in 1880 and 1882 and serving a combined sentence of 20 months in Nottingham Prison.
If anyone can find him on 1891, 1901 or 1911 census or when he died I would be most grateful! For easier viewing I shall summarize in bullet points what I know about him below.
Thank you!
- Born Jan 1853 in Birmingham, Warwickshire to George Everill and Elizabeth Bennett
- Full name at Birth was George William Everard Bennett.
- Married Rebecca Smalley at St Mary and All Saints Church in Bingham, Notts in 1878
- Worked as a Labourer / Gardener until 1881 where he became a Commission Agent
- During his known criminal years (circa 1880) he went by the alias of George Moscow and George Lancaster
- Was sentenced for a term of 8 months in Nottingham Prison in 1880 for Larceny and then again for 12 months in 1882.
- Had four Children, Mary Elizabeth (1880) Harry Bentley Everill (1882) Jessie Isabelle (1884) and Frank Herbert (1886)
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I can't help you with his death,but I can tell you that in 1885 he was living at Lily St Nottingham,(electoral rolls) the same address was given at his son Frank Herbert's baptism in 1886 job given as commission agent.
I think it is possible the indictment in 1880 was a different George Everill as there is a family of Everill's living in Mansfield, and there is no mention of a previous conviction in the 1882 conviction.
Liz
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There's a police gazette entry from 1879 for George Everill alias Everett, Moscow or Gloucester who'd absconded from Carlton, wanted for theft of a silver watch and some cash from the Great Northern Railway at Colwick nr Nottingham
Aged 27 - 30
Father was a detective in Birmingham
Does this fit at all?
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There's a George William Everille b c1852 who was employed by the Midland Railway as a porter at Asfordby - not too far from Nottingham
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There's a police gazette entry from 1879 for George Everill alias Everett, Moscow or Gloucester who'd absconded from Carlton, wanted for theft of a silver watch and some cash from the Great Northern Railway at Colwick nr Nottingham
Aged 27 - 30
Father was a detective in Birmingham
Does this fit at all?
Yes that fits 100% :) His father was like a Sherlock Holmes! He would get asked for his help and expertise in Detective Work after leaving the Birmingham Police Force
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There's a George William Everille b c1852 who was employed by the Midland Railway as a porter at Asfordby - not too far from Nottingham
Forgot to say this was in 1874
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There's a George William Everille b c1852 who was employed by the Midland Railway as a porter at Asfordby - not too far from Nottingham
Forgot to say this was in 1874
That would explain how he ended up in Nottinghamshire! Too bad we haven't found anything about him post-1886 just yet
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I can't help you with his death,but I can tell you that in 1885 he was living at Lily St Nottingham,(electoral rolls) the same address was given at his son Frank Herbert's baptism in 1886 job given as commission agent.
I think it is possible the indictment in 1880 was a different George Everill as there is a family of Everill's living in Mansfield, and there is no mention of a previous conviction in the 1882 conviction.
Liz
I havefound a link between his 1882 conviction to the 1880 conviction. On his 1882 conviction it states that he was convicted previously in 1880 for 8 months for stealing some gold
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I can't help you with his death,but I can tell you that in 1885 he was living at Lily St Nottingham,(electoral rolls) the same address was given at his son Frank Herbert's baptism in 1886 job given as commission agent.
I think it is possible the indictment in 1880 was a different George Everill as there is a family of Everill's living in Mansfield, and there is no mention of a previous conviction in the 1882 conviction.
Liz
I havefound a link between his 1882 conviction to the 1880 conviction. On his 1882 conviction it states that he was convicted previously in 1880 for 8 months for stealing some gold
That fits - have looked again at the Police Gazette and it was £14 in gold and silver he was accused of taking
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That fits - have looked again at the Police Gazette and it was £14 in gold and silver he was accused of taking
Yes, and then in 1882 he was arrested once again for attempting to defraud a company of which he worked for as a commission agent. This offence was approximately £1 worth of money i do believe. For this he was sented for 12 months hard labour in the Nottingham Gaol. Then he was released and became the father to his Third child, who is Aunt Jessie Everill.
Upon the birth of his Fourth Child (1886), Uncle Frank his occupation at the baptism was a Commission agent, I assume for a different company. He is missing from the census in 1891 and all consequent censuses. I am wondering whether he committed another crime which meant he was deported to another country? I do not know how it all worked in those days and I don't know how many times you could be sent into prison before more serious action was taken on the person.
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There was no transportation for felons by the 1880s/90s. I suspect it more likely he's either back in prison, or has left his family and may be under an assumed/changed identity
Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR and stole the wages of various employees he was supposed to pay. He pleaded guilty to stealing the watch
The 1882 case was related to his work as an agent selling tombstones etc. He put in a number of orders to the masons who employed him and was paid commission, but the putative customers denied placing said orders
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In an effort to try and trace him I was trying to confirm his birthplace - it wasn't Birmingham! In fact it's somewhat confusing as his birth is registered March quarter 1853 but in West Bromwich Regn. District (Staffordshire) as George William Everill Bennett (not Everard), his baptism took place 1/5/1853 at Twyning, Gloucestershire as George William Bennett, son of Elizabeth Jane Bennett and unnamed Everill and 1861 census states he was born Oldbury, Gloucestershire!! 77 miles between his stated birthplace in Gloucestershire and West Bromwich where he was registered.
Thus it makes trying to find him in census after 1881 with not only a probable alias, and not knowing what birthplace would be given, even more difficult.
Annette
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Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR
The baptism of Mary Elizabeth 8 Aug 1880 in Bingham says the father was a labourer, likewise the baptism of Harry Bentley 22 Feb 1882 also in Bingham.
The baptisms in Nottingham, St Ann 5 July 1886 Frank Herbert father was a commission agent ( as already been noted) Jessie Isabelle 2 Nov 1884 father a gardener abode 32 Sycamore Rd.
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He was a GNR employee when the offence was committed in 1879 - I suspect he'd been sacked by the time it came to court and when Mary Elizabeth was baptised in 1880 (hence the labouring/manual work)
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In an effort to try and trace him I was trying to confirm his birthplace - it wasn't Birmingham! In fact it's somewhat confusing as his birth is registered March quarter 1853 but in West Bromwich Regn. District (Staffordshire) as George William Everill Bennett (not Everard), his baptism took place 1/5/1853 at Twyning, Gloucestershire as George William Bennett, son of Elizabeth Jane Bennett and unnamed Everill and 1861 census states he was born Oldbury, Gloucestershire!! 77 miles between his stated birthplace in Gloucestershire and West Bromwich where he was registered.
Thus it makes trying to find him in census after 1881 with not only a probable alias, and not knowing what birthplace would be given, even more difficult.
Annette
Okay so the reason for his baptism in Twyning would probably be because his mother was born there. Maybe because his parents wern't married at the time and his father being in the Birmingham Police Force she baptised him in her home time to avoid creating a bad reputation for George Snr. By the time we get too 1871 where he would have been approximately 18 years old his mother has remarried after the death of the father and they had seemingly moved to Staffordshire / Gloucestershire as the censuses keep bouncing back and forth from those two Counties. So, not only do we have several probably alias' he went by but possible 2 - 3 counties he could state he being born in. Typical!
Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR
The baptism of Mary Elizabeth 8 Aug 1880 in Bingham says the father was a labourer, likewise the baptism of Harry Bentley 22 Feb 1882 also in Bingham.
The baptisms in Nottingham, St Ann 5 July 1886 Frank Herbert father was a commission agent ( as already been noted) Jessie Isabelle 2 Nov 1884 father a gardener abode 32 Sycamore Rd.
He was a GNR employee when the offence was committed in 1879 - I suspect he'd been sacked by the time it came to court and when Mary Elizabeth was baptised in 1880 (hence the labouring/manual work)
There was no transportation for felons by the 1880s/90s. I suspect it more likely he's either back in prison, or has left his family and maybe under an assumed/changed identity
Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR and stole the wages of various employees he was supposed to pay. He pleaded guilty to stealing the watch
The 1882 case was related to his work as an agent selling tombstones etc. He put in a number of orders to the masons who employed him and was paid commission, but the putative customers denied placing said orders
That does match the info I already have, so at least you have helped me confirm that this is all correct. It helps as with others looking up it helps clear my head and know what is 100% correct and what may not be as this man is being particularly difficult to trace! but then again, I suppose that is what he wanted.
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Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR
The baptism of Mary Elizabeth 8 Aug 1880 in Bingham says the father was a labourer, likewise the baptism of Harry Bentley 22 Feb 1882 also in Bingham.
The baptisms in Nottingham, St Ann 5 July 1886 Frank Herbert father was a commission agent ( as already been noted) Jessie Isabelle 2 Nov 1884 father a gardener abode 32 Sycamore Rd.
George Everill is my great great grandfather.
His son Harry Bentley Everill is my great grandfather - he died young (1911) from TB.
I'm attaching a photo taken in about 1900 showing
Harry Bentley Everill at the top
Frank Everill, Mary Everill & Jessie Everill
In the front is George Everill's wife and either her mother or mother-in-law.
I also have a large family photo taken at Jessie Everill and Robert Hangers's wedding if anyone is interested in seeing it.
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George Everill was my great great grandfather. My understanding is that he went to the Klondike gold rush (1896-99) and was never heard of again - since 70% died trying to get to the Yukon, I assume that's when he died.
In an effort to try and trace him I was trying to confirm his birthplace - it wasn't Birmingham! In fact it's somewhat confusing as his birth is registered March quarter 1853 but in West Bromwich Regn. District (Staffordshire) as George William Everill Bennett (not Everard), his baptism took place 1/5/1853 at Twyning, Gloucestershire as George William Bennett, son of Elizabeth Jane Bennett and unnamed Everill and 1861 census states he was born Oldbury, Gloucestershire!! 77 miles between his stated birthplace in Gloucestershire and West Bromwich where he was registered.
Thus it makes trying to find him in census after 1881 with not only a probable alias, and not knowing what birthplace would be given, even more difficult.
Annette
Okay so the reason for his baptism in Twyning would probably be because his mother was born there. Maybe because his parents wern't married at the time and his father being in the Birmingham Police Force she baptised him in her home time to avoid creating a bad reputation for George Snr. By the time we get too 1871 where he would have been approximately 18 years old his mother has remarried after the death of the father and they had seemingly moved to Staffordshire / Gloucestershire as the censuses keep bouncing back and forth from those two Counties. So, not only do we have several probably alias' he went by but possible 2 - 3 counties he could state he being born in. Typical!
Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR
The baptism of Mary Elizabeth 8 Aug 1880 in Bingham says the father was a labourer, likewise the baptism of Harry Bentley 22 Feb 1882 also in Bingham.
The baptisms in Nottingham, St Ann 5 July 1886 Frank Herbert father was a commission agent ( as already been noted) Jessie Isabelle 2 Nov 1884 father a gardener abode 32 Sycamore Rd.
He was a GNR employee when the offence was committed in 1879 - I suspect he'd been sacked by the time it came to court and when Mary Elizabeth was baptised in 1880 (hence the labouring/manual work)
There was no transportation for felons by the 1880s/90s. I suspect it more likely he's either back in prison, or has left his family and maybe under an assumed/changed identity
Have found a newspaper report for the 1880 case - he was a clerk for the GNR and stole the wages of various employees he was supposed to pay. He pleaded guilty to stealing the watch
The 1882 case was related to his work as an agent selling tombstones etc. He put in a number of orders to the masons who employed him and was paid commission, but the putative customers denied placing said orders
That does match the info I already have, so at least you have helped me confirm that this is all correct. It helps as with others looking up it helps clear my head and know what is 100% correct and what may not be as this man is being particularly difficult to trace! but then again, I suppose that is what he wanted.