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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: dsjturner on Friday 25 October 19 23:58 BST (UK)
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Hi!
I was wondering if anyone had any information on Charles Bates who was born c.1892 in Penn.
His older brothers were Joseph William (my great grandfather) and Albert Edward who I know both survived the first world war. I am trying to find out what happened to Charles as unfortunately I have no idea.
I have photos of the Bates, I know which one is Albert but I am unsure if another photo I have is Joseph or Charles so any Help that may identify him would be very much appreciated.
Thank you in advance
Daniel
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I see a marriage not too far from PENN:
Jun 1926 Amersham 3a 2079
BATES Charles
ALLEN Ada
Jamjar
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Thank you very much for your reply!
I hope that is him as it would mean he survived!
Daniel
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this may be your Charles
on census his p.o. given as Forty Green Bucks living in Penn with parents and lots of siblings - mother was Sarah
if these details match yours then his army records are on A******y He was wounded 25 Jun 1916 and suffered shell shock
It looks like he married Ada Allen and died 21 Dec 1962 age 71 - his probate record is on A*******y
I can give further information if you confirm he is the person you are looking for
Suz
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As per your thread of 2009, if this is the family in 1901, then Albert is a ‘younger’ brother:
Your previous thread: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404051.0
1901 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9YR-FYF
Jamjar
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1911 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V2-K5V
Dec 1962 Amersham 6a 305
BATES Charles 71
Jamjar
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Ada 1911 census?:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7V2-KDY
A birth:
Sep 1927 Amersham 3a 1395
Bates Dorothy M mmn Allen
Jamjar
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Thank you both for your replies.
Jamjar - Sorry I had forgotten I’d posted about them before, it was so long ago! Apologies though yes you are correct Albert was younger having been born in 1895.
Suzard - Yes that appears to be him :) I have his mother as Sarah Cox and Forty Green certainly rings some bells with me.
The only person who would know is my mother but unfortunately she has advanced Alzheimer’s now so it’s not possible to ask her and my grandparents have both passed away.
I have lots of photos and letters belonging to my grandmother that were passed down to me concerning the Bates and it’s such a shame I am the only one who enjoys them. If Charles has children there is hope that there are relatives out there somewhere who may enjoy seeing what I have. I found a newspaper article about Albert who married his childhood sweetheart when he was about 70 (off the top of my head!) How sweet!
At present I don’t have paid a....y membership due to many months inactivity but my local library offers free access so I will get myself down there. Thank you both very much for your help, its looking like I won’t be going down a dead end and I’ll hopefully find out more about him.
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there is quite a lot of information on A******y
and Joseph and Sarah had at least 8 children so lots there to research too
It looks pretty certain that Charles Bates and Ada had a daughter b 1927 -maybe she married and had children
Suz
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If it is the correct Ada on the 1911 census, this her and her sister’s birth:
ALLEN, ADA mmn PERFECT
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 711
ALLEN, CLARA JANE mmn PERFECT
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 751
Marriage:
Mar 1888 Amersham 3a 579
ALLEN George
PERFECT Ellen
Jamjar
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Thank you both very much for your help! It has really helped me! :)
I am on annual leave next week so I think I may station myself in the library one afternoon and see what I can find! Thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Although strictly speaking I’m not a beginner, I haven’t done any research for a few years now so I need to get back into it!
I have three photos of men from WW1 and I’m not sure if they are all of Charles or one is Joseph! It’s a shame as I don’t think I’ll ever find out (at least Albert wrote on the back on his!)
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I wonder if someone could find, Charles, Ada and Dorothy on the 1939 register? It may assist with selecting the correct death for Ada.
Jamjar
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Possible marriages for other siblings:
Alice Eliza b. 1894 March quarter: Sep 1913 Wycombe 3a 2127 ATKINS Alfred T - maybe only
Arthur James b. 1903 Dec quarter: Jun 1930 Amersham 3a 2529 WRIGHT Florence K
Death of Arthur:
1984 CHILTERN/B 19 1909
BATES Arthur James birth 26 September 1903
Birth and death of Florence:
WRIGHT, FLORENCE KATE mmn GREEN
GRO Reference: 1907 J Quarter in AMERSHAM Volume 03A Page 943
1985 WYCOMBE 19 1651
BATES Florence Kate birth 6 April 1907
Elsie Lillian b. 1905 June quarter: Dec 1930 Amersham 3a 2261 BOURNE Charles H
Thomas b. 1908 March quarter: Sept 1935 Amersham 3a 3851 JONES Marjorie L
Jamjar
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I have this photo taken at Penn
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Oh wow that’s great thank you for that! I don’t live too far from Penn now so may have to go visit!