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Hello,
I am researching on behalf of my FIL for his birth mother.
I have the following information from his and her birth certificates.
FIL mother: Born Mary 12/7/1922 @ Grosvenor Nursing Home, 42 Forest Road, Nottingham
Her father: Henry Albert Goode (retired Victualler)
Her Mother: Leah Goode (formerly Parkin)
residing at 24 Beech Ave, Sherwood Rise, Nottingham
This Birth cert was reissued on 25/09/1928 by authority of the register - we don't know why.
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
He was born Michael Grundy and adopted name: *
There is an interesting connection though as his adopted mother was a Grundy and his adopted father is Batty although he definitely was adopted.
I have traced his connection to Goode through DNA (my heritage) to a Doris Ivy Goode (married Elliott) (1930-2016)
Any information would be very much appreciated
Nicole
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Welcome to Rootschat Nicole
Can you clarify what it is that you wish to do?
Mary appears to be an only child of Henry and Leah.
Doris certainly doesn't appear to be a sister of Mary. Perhaps her father was one of Henry's brothers?
Just a guess but Mary's 1928 birth registration may have been something to do with the education system.
I cannot see any marriage of a Mary Goode to a Grundy unless it was abroad.
Is your FIL still alive? If so you need to remove his name. Born in 1948 not 1949.
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Could . Mary Goode s birth certificate have bee. Re issued because she was also adopted or because her mother got married to Mr -Goode .
Have you found a baptism for Mary ..?
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Ah I see the parents married in 1928 hence most likely the reason for a re-issue of Mary's birth certificate.
Marriages Sep 1928
Goode Henry A Parkin Nottingham 7b 887
Parkin Leah Goode Nottingham 7b 887
I suspect Henry may well be a good deal older than Leah. Found a likely Henry in the 1911 census at Forest Tavern 257 Mansfield Road Nottingham, occupation publican and married. Born 1868. No wife listed.
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Ah I see the parents married in 1928 hence most likely the reason for a re-issue of Mary's birth certificate.
Marriages Sep 1928
Goode Henry A Parkin Nottingham 7b 887
Parkin Leah Goode Nottingham 7b 887
I suspect Henry may well be a good deal older than Leah. Found a likely Henry in the 1911 census at Forest Tavern 257 Mansfield Road Nottingham, occupation publican and married. Born 1868. No wife listed.
You beat me to it with the marriage.
There is a death (as per FreeBMD)
Mar qtr 1934 Nottingham vol 7b p529 GOODE Henry A age 73 which is a fair match for the man you found.
Philip
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Yes he was:-
Marriages Mar 1889
Brambley Ada Mary Nottingham 7b 348
Goode Henry Albert Nottingham 7b 348
Hairdresser in 1891 and 1901 - No children with them.
This may be Ada's death, after Mary was born.
Deaths Dec 1924
Goode Ada M 53 Woolwich 1d 1083
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Doris?
Births June quarter 1930
Doris I Goode mmn Rose
Nottingham 7b 672
Probable parents
Marriages December quarter 1929
Albert Goode Rose Nottingham
Doris Rose Goode Nottingham
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Chempat might that person be living?
*Sorry hadnt double checked initial post
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Chempat might that person be living?
No. From start of thread-
"a Doris Ivy Goode (married Elliott) (1930-2016)"
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Thank-you, aghadowey.
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This might be Albert
Albert Goode mmn Beeching
1908 December Quarter in Nottingham Volume 07B Page 392
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Marriage June quarter 1903 Nottingham
Tom Goode
Elizabeth Ann Beeching
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I think this is Leah's birth registration going by the 1939
PARKIN, LEAH EAST
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 258
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There is an interesting connection though as his adopted mother was a Grundy and his adopted father is Batty although he definitely was adopted.
When did adoptive parents marry? do you know when the adoption took place?
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There are two Batty/Grundy marriages in the 1930s in Nottingham. Were either of these the adoptive parents?
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Ah I see the parents married in 1928 hence most likely the reason for a re-issue of Mary's birth certificate.
Marriages Sep 1928
Goode Henry A Parkin Nottingham 7b 887
Parkin Leah Goode Nottingham 7b 887
Just to put the pieces together for Mary:
1922 - Birth Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p728a PARKIN Mary, no mmn (FreeBMD note - entry crossed out)
1922 - Birth Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p728 GOODE Mary P, mmn PARKIN (presumably the 1928 revision)
1928 - Marriage Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p887 GOODE Henry A, PARKIN Leah
Philip
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There are two Batty/Grundy marriages in the 1930s in Nottingham. Were either of these the adoptive parents?
Yes Cyril to Kathleen
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Ah I see the parents married in 1928 hence most likely the reason for a re-issue of Mary's birth certificate.
Marriages Sep 1928
Goode Henry A Parkin Nottingham 7b 887
Parkin Leah Goode Nottingham 7b 887
Just to put the pieces together for Mary:
1922 - Birth Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p728a PARKIN Mary, no mmn (FreeBMD note - entry crossed out)
1922 - Birth Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p728 GOODE Mary P, mmn PARKIN (presumably the 1928 revision)
1928 - Marriage Sep qtr Nottingham vol 7b p887 GOODE Henry A, PARKIN Leah
Philip
Yes that is correct. I also saw that there was a correction of Mary Parkin from a Mary Allsop to Parkin. I am not sure if this is the same Mary though but seems a conincidence, could this be an adoption?
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There are two Batty/Grundy marriages in the 1930s in Nottingham. Were either of these the adoptive parents?
Yes, Cyril to Kathleen
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I think this is Leah's birth registration going by the 1939
PARKIN, LEAH EAST
GRO Reference: 1887 D Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 258
Thank you I will look into this
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Welcome to Rootschat Nicole
Can you clarify what it is that you wish to do?
Mary appears to be an only child of Henry and Leah.
Doris certainly doesn't appear to be a sister of Mary. Perhaps her father was one of Henry's brothers?
Just a guess but Mary's 1928 birth registration may have been something to do with the education system.
I cannot see any marriage of a Mary Goode to a Grundy unless it was abroad.
Is your FIL still alive? If so you need to remove his name. Born in 1948 not 1949.
Sorry I have removed this information.
I am new to this board so not fully aware of how to post & reply yet.
My FIL is looking mainly for his birth mother but any information would be useful right now. Also some clarity as there seems to be many questions. Thank you for your help.
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Could . Mary Goode s birth certificate have bee. Re issued because she was also adopted or because her mother got married to Mr -Goode .
Have you found a baptism for Mary ..?
No, I haven't thought to look for this. Thank you
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Ah I see the parents married in 1928 hence most likely the reason for a re-issue of Mary's birth certificate.
Marriages Sep 1928
Goode Henry A Parkin Nottingham 7b 887
Parkin Leah Goode Nottingham 7b 887
I suspect Henry may well be a good deal older than Leah. Found a likely Henry in the 1911 census at Forest Tavern 257 Mansfield Road Nottingham, occupation publican and married. Born 1868. No wife listed.
Yes, that is correct.
Oddly my FIL who was brought up in Nottingham says he used to go to that very pub.
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Doris?
Births June quarter 1930
Doris I Goode mmn Rose
Nottingham 7b 672
Probable parents
Marriages December quarter 1929
Albert Goode Rose Nottingham
Doris Rose Goode Nottingham
Yes, that is correct
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What I am not clear about is whether your FIL's mother married. Is this what you are trying to find out?
There is a closed record with Henry and Leah on the 1939. This usually implies that this person is living. Is this Mary or someone else?
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I've just noticed that Mary has the second initial of P on her birth record. Do you know what it stands for?
Have you got a birth certificate for her?
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There is a closed record with Henry and Leah on the 1939. This usually implies that this person is living. Is this Mary or someone else?
No, it means that they were born less than 100 years ago.
I've just noticed that Mary has the second initial of P on her birth record. Do you know what it stands for?
Probably 'PARKIN'?
Nicole, can you explain how you have made the connection between Mary GRUNDY and Mary PARKIN/GOODE born 1922?
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
Where on the cert do you see Mary's mother named as PARKIN?
Debra :)
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A correction to your family tree. Albert Edward GRUNDY born 1912 and brother to Kathleen and Alwyn is still single in 1939 and living in Carlton, Nottinghamshire. He could not have married in 1923. The Albert GRUNDY who married Elsie DAVIS/DAVIES was born in 1900 and is with his wife and daughter in Alfreton in 1939.
Debra :)
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Thank you all for your interest and help with this. I am very grateful.
All the information I have is from my FIL.
He had originally asked for his adoption records from the Nottingham office but he was told that these records had been destroyed in a fire?? He then went on to ask a family member also interested in this side of the family and doing some research & another genealogist from a company if they could find out more information.
The following is from this gathered information.
Given the DNA match to a Henry Albert Goode and address of Beech Avenue, Nottingham - a guess was made that this Mary Parkin was/is his mother - Mary Grundy.
There was a William Arthur Grundy
Dec 12 1885
May 20 1954
and
Sarah Jane Grundy (born Alford/Halford)
Jan 7 1887
May 18 1945
Who lived almost opposite H A Goode & Leah Goode at Beech Avenue
It is thought that perhaps Mary Parkin/Goode had a illigetimate child from this part of the Grundy family and named herself as Grundy on his birth certificate to point towards the 'father' of her child - my FIL. Hence her name on his birth certificate not being her actual name.
We have looked for a Mary Grundy who could possibly be his mother everywhere but to no avail.
It is almost like she doesn't exist & perhaps she doesn't under that name.
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So if the assumptions are correct Mary had an affair with a married man.
Marriages Jun 1917
Grundy William A Halford Nottingham 7b 538
Halford Sarah J Grundy Nottingham 7b 538
Put herself down as Grundy as a pointer to the father of her child. Parkin would be a pointer to her mother.
By the way do you know what Mary's second name is? Begins with P.
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'He had originally asked for his adoption records from the Nottingham office but he was told that these records had been destroyed in a fire??'
Has he reapplied, just to check that they have definitely been destroyed. (Or did the company genealogist check?)
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So if the assumptions are correct Mary had an affair with a married man.
Marriages Jun 1917
Grundy William A Halford Nottingham 7b 538
Halford Sarah J Grundy Nottingham 7b 538
Put herself down as Grundy as a pointer to the father of her child. Parkin would be a pointer to her mother.
By the way do you know what Mary's second name is? Begins with P.
Yes you're right, this is our assumption too! I think the P may be her original Parkin on birth cert? possibly when changed to Goode if that makes sense.
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'He had originally asked for his adoption records from the Nottingham office but he was told that these records had been destroyed in a fire??'
Has he reapplied, just to check that they have definitely been destroyed. (Or did the company genealogist check?)
I don't think he has reapplied, I will ask. The company genealogist actually said that they can't continue any further! That is why I have taken up the research.
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I don’t understand why the grandmother is on the birth certificate and why there is no Christian name
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
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No that doesn't make sense.
Mary was registered twice as Goode
Births Sep 1922
Goode Mary P Parkin Nottingham 7b 728
Goode Mary P Parkin Nottingham 7b See S'28
This suggests to me that you don't actually have Mary's birth certificate so cannot tell me what the P stands for. It should be on her birth certificate.
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Gibel
The child was born in SQ 1948 Worksop. Why do you think it is 1949?
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I don’t understand why the grandmother is on the birth certificate and why there is no Christian name
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
I am sorry, I have just called him and confirmed: DOB 1948 my mistake
on his birth cert is just Mary Grundy and he was born in Worksop
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Gibel
The child was born in SQ 1948 Worksop. Why do you think it is 1949?
My error- he was born 1948.
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There is a closed record with Henry and Leah on the 1939. This usually implies that this person is living. Is this Mary or someone else?
No, it means that they were born less than 100 years ago.
I've just noticed that Mary has the second initial of P on her birth record. Do you know what it stands for?
Probably 'PARKIN'?
Nicole, can you explain how you have made the connection between Mary GRUNDY and Mary PARKIN/GOODE born 1922?
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
Where on the cert do you see Mary's mother named as PARKIN?
Debra :)
Sorry my error only Mary Grundy is on his birth cert.
Connection being very tenuous to Mary Parkin only in that he has a DNA match to H A Goode - Mary Parkins Father and that living opposite the Goodes at Beech Avenue, Notts was William Arthur Grundy and Sarah Alford/Halford. We can only assume that Mary used Grundy on FIL birth cert as a pointer to his father. Unfortunately he father is not listed on his birth cert - would have been useful.
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Can you tell us if Mary's second name is Parkin or is it something else? I wondered if it might help in locating her at all.
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I have traced his connection to Goode through DNA (my heritage) to a Doris Ivy Goode (married Elliott) (1930-2016)
I would have thought that simply tells you that your FIL shares DNA with descendants of Doris Ivy GOODE. What is the connection with Henry Albert?
As an aside, there is something wrong with Henry's family but I am not sure yet what it is. It's possible that he wasn't a GOODE at all.
Leah GOODE died in 1980 and left a will. If you get a copy then she may mention her daughter which would in turn help to trace any descendants. She had quite a good nest egg.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Debra :)
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Have you checked the address/es given on the birth certificate on electoral rolls to see if there was a Grundy family living there?
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I would definitely try the adoption route again.
William Arthur and Sarah Grundy had a son William Royston Grundy b.27/4/1918 died 1990 Chichester, West Sussex. Looks like he married in 1940 Nottingham. So, if you have identified the right Mary, the married man she had an affair with (if indeed she did) would no doubt be this son rather than William Arthur.
When the birth record of Mary was amended in 1928 she has been listed as plain Mary Goode. A lady with this name married a Mr. Brown in Sept.1956 Nottingham. Has this line been pursued in case she was the daughter of Henry and Leah?
Annette
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I've found a death for a Mary Brown died 1992 East Retford, Nottinghamshire
DOB is given as 12 7 1922
Could this have been Mary Goode?
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I would definitely try the adoption route again.
William Arthur and Sarah Grundy had a son William Royston Grundy b.27/4/1918 died 1990 Chichester, West Sussex. Looks like he married in 1940 Nottingham. So, if you have identified the right Mary, the married man she had an affair with (if indeed she did) would no doubt be this son rather than William Arthur.
When the birth record of Mary was amended in 1928 she has been listed as plain Mary Goode. A lady with this name married a Mr. Brown in Sept.1956 Nottingham. Has this line been pursued in case she was the daughter of Henry and Leah?
Annette
William Arthur Grundy is Kathleen Grundy's uncle, her fathers brother.
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I would definitely try the adoption route again.
William Arthur and Sarah Grundy had a son William Royston Grundy b.27/4/1918 died 1990 Chichester, West Sussex. Looks like he married in 1940 Nottingham. So, if you have identified the right Mary, the married man she had an affair with (if indeed she did) would no doubt be this son rather than William Arthur.
When the birth record of Mary was amended in 1928 she has been listed as plain Mary Goode. A lady with this name married a Mr. Brown in Sept.1956 Nottingham. Has this line been pursued in case she was the daughter of Henry and Leah?
Annette
William Arthur Grundy is Kathleen Grundy's uncle, her fathers brother.
I will certainly look at this. Yes it very well is possible! Thank you
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I've found a death for a Mary Brown died 1992 East Retford, Nottinghamshire
DOB is given as 12 7 1922
Could this have been Mary Goode?
This seems like a very likely match. I will explore this further. I was so hoping that against all odds that she may still be alive.
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She would be a 97 year old woman if she were still alive.
The date of birth is exactly the same as Mary Goode's which is why I gave this information. Seems as if she stayed in the Nottingham area.
Added: You may wish to consider getting the marriage certificate for that SQ 1956 marriage of Mary Goode to Brown. You can then check what name appears for Mary's father.
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Hello
Not sure if I can be of any help although my grandmother is Doris ivy Goode as stated she did pass away in 2016 but would like to chat and find out the dna connection. :)
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Don't forget to check for baptism and middle names
my own grandmother had a middle name hinting at birth father on her birth certificate but a different middle name on baptism
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Hello
Not sure if I can be of any help although my grandmother is Doris ivy Goode as stated she did pass away in 2016 but would like to chat and find out the dna connection. :)
Hello, that would be great, thank you for reaching out. I am still searching on behalf of my FIL. There is a DNA connection on My Heritage to O'shea which pointed me after a lot of searching to Goode. The name has come up in searches for my FIL. He is looking both for his biological Mother and Father although we know that would be difficult as there is no father listed on his birth certificate. Nicole
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Nicole - Did you get round to ordering the 1956 marriage certificate as per my reply #47? If so did it tell you anything helpful?
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Hi Nicole I’m new to roots chat and for some reason it won’t let me reply to your PM. But I would be happy to help fill in the blanks the best I can to my knowledge :)
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Hello,
I am researching on behalf of my FIL for his birth mother.
I have the following information from his and her birth certificates.
FIL mother: Born Mary 12/7/1922 @ Grosvenor Nursing Home, 42 Forest Road, Nottingham
Her father: Henry Albert Goode (retired Victualler)
Her Mother: Leah Goode (formerly Parkin)
residing at 24 Beech Ave, Sherwood Rise, Nottingham
Hi I have by chance come across your post!
My Mother was the Mary Brown nee Goode that you were looking for. She passed away 29.10.92.
I have a half sister, Marilyn Grundy born January 1945. She was 11 when my Mother married my Father So she would have been 4 when your FIL was born. She doesn’t really know who her Father was except what my Mother told her - that his name was Harold Grundy and he died in the war?? We are not sure if this is true.? All the other details you have discovered are correct. We believe our Grandfather Goode couldn’t marry Leah Parkin until his first wife had died. Hence the date of 1928 on the birth certificate.
My sister and I would be very happy to meet your FIL, who would be our half brother??
This Birth cert was reissued on 25/09/1928 by authority of the register - we don't know why.
On my FIL birth cert his mother is named at Mary Grundy & her mother Parkin. No father listed.
He was born in 1949, Worksop
He was born Michael Grundy and adopted name: *
There is an interesting connection though as his adopted mother was a Grundy and his adopted father is Batty although he definitely was adopted.
I have traced his connection to Goode through DNA (my heritage) to a Doris Ivy Goode (married Elliott) (1930-2016)
Any information would be very much appreciated
Nicole
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Hello and Welcome PenHub123,
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Regards
Sarah