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Title: Help find my ancestors
Post by: Erinsineadquinn on Monday 11 November 19 00:58 GMT (UK)
Hi
Just starting off finding my ancestors and don’t know much. All I know is they originate from Wicklow, Ireland possibly in Bray. I can trace them back to my great grandfather Patrick Salmon who passed on 4th Jan 1984 and my great grandmother Alice Salon who passed on 23rd August 1966. I have found a gentleman by the name of Cornelius Salmon who married Mary Salon in 1904 but unsure if there is a connection. I am aware that there are still some ancestors living in Bray but wanted to go further back to understand my family tree. Any help would be appreciated
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 11 November 19 01:33 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

Were both deaths in Wicklow?

You don’t say how old Patrick and Alice were when they died.  If they were born before 1911 you can look for them on the 1911 census which is free here

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Depending when he was born here is a possible entry for Patrick

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Sidmonton_Avenue/892114/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003636464/






Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: Erinsineadquinn on Monday 11 November 19 02:14 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the quick reply

Yea both deaths where in Wicklow

I am trying to find more about Patrick’s parents, I am unsure if his father was Cornelius as I am unsure as to when Patrick Salmon was born I only know of his death, my nan who is still alive does not really disclose much information on her family history
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 11 November 19 05:15 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

In order to follow your direct line with confidence it's essential to gather up all official certs. from beyond what you know e.g. birth records which will give the mothers' maiden names/fathers' occs. & marriages which give fathers' names/occs/witnesses to enable you to work back.

There's no point in assuming who your ancestors are as it's a pointless task with no proof.

Welcome to the world of research  ;D

Annie
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 11 November 19 05:31 GMT (UK)
Alice was 51 in 1966?

So born about 1915
Birth Should be showing in Irish civil records, but I do not see it

Do you have the marriage certificate? (I am assuming Patrick and Alice were husband and wife, and not two separate lines of ascent?)
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 11 November 19 05:54 GMT (UK)
I am unsure if his father was Cornelius as I am unsure as to when Patrick Salmon was born I only know of his death, my nan who is still alive does not really disclose much information on her family history

This is usually a sign (not always) of something amiss i.e. all the more reason to obtain earlier official certs.

Annie
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: Sinann on Monday 11 November 19 07:49 GMT (UK)
Alice Salmon nee Coughlin died 29 Aug 1966 Graystones, wife of Patrick, late of Golden Cashel Co. Tipperary, 1 Strand Cottage.
Redford Cemetary.

That should help find their marriage.
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 08:57 GMT (UK)



http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/wicklow-redford-catholic03/target54.html



Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 09:04 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

Were both deaths in Wicklow?

You don’t say how old Patrick and Alice were when they died.  If they were born before 1911 you can look for them on the 1911 census which is free here

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/

Depending when he was born here is a possible entry for Patrick

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Sidmonton_Avenue/892114/

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003636464/


William?  (as per Census above ??  )

In | Loving Memory of | WILLIAM SALMON | Arch Villas, Greystones | who departed
this life | February 16th 1981 | and his son | PATRICK | who departed this life
February 23rd 1991. | Interred in Bristol, England | R.I.P. | Erected by his
loving wife & family
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 09:12 GMT (UK)



Party 1 Name   CORNELIUS SALMON
Party 2 Name   MARY DARCY
Date of Event   22 November 1903
Group Registration ID   2081000
SR District/Reg Area   Rathdown

Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 09:17 GMT (UK)



You have the District (Rathdown)  dates of Deaths.....just walk into any Registry office in Ireland and get them there and then.

€4.00 each for photocopy.

Then you'll get ages etc....


Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 09:36 GMT (UK)


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Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: dathai on Monday 11 November 19 09:48 GMT (UK)
The date of Salmon's marriage appears to be 1945 in Cashel
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY2N-SQ9
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 10:09 GMT (UK)



Salmon, Wicklow 1901    http://www.rootschat.com/links/01om4/





Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: dathai on Monday 11 November 19 10:17 GMT (UK)
Patrick from his probate died 65 Grove Cottages

Cornelius died 1944 same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1944/04640/4233180.pdf

Mary died Mater Hosp 1967 same address
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1967/04207/4075595.pdf
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 10:17 GMT (UK)



Salmon Wicklow 1911  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01om5/

Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 10:20 GMT (UK)



http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=Salmon&s=wicklowstones


Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: dathai on Monday 11 November 19 11:36 GMT (UK)
Patrick Joseph 1904
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01797/1704858.pdf

Cornelius 1878 Father Patrick mother Margaret Hughes
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02967/2086970.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray/Newcourt_Strand/1811427/
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: dathai on Monday 11 November 19 11:58 GMT (UK)
Patrick Salmon of Little Bray, son of ? Salmon and Jane Denbeigh married Margaret Hughes daughter of John Hughes and Helena ?  25th Nov 1861
number 104
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633720#page/12/mode/1up
Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 12:16 GMT (UK)


To get all in Salmon registered Rathdown on Civil Reg a search like this will get them all.

Some with  Returns Page No   don't have Images at present, but you can check back every now and then to see if any are Updated, even every 6 months using Link below.

LINK  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01om6/   Select Births or whatever you want.



Solve security Captcha
and use Initials to sign in.   Irish Govt BDM Website,  Certs are Free.



Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: hallmark on Monday 11 November 19 12:20 GMT (UK)



https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line



Title: Re: Help find my ancestors
Post by: dathai on Monday 11 November 19 14:44 GMT (UK)
Edward Salmon 1875
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03081/2129818.pdf

married Elizabeth Byrne in New York 1907
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24HG-FJZ

was home for 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Newcourt_Strand/891954/

wife and daughter with her family 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No_1/Styles_Terrace/891464/

went back and had 3 more children by 1920
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJYX-8XK