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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: Philezra on Thursday 14 November 19 18:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi.
Thomas Edward Edmonds born 1852 in Guernsey to parents Thomas Carr Edmonds and Mary Ann Picken.
Looking for his marriage....
Census has him with Eliza - One of their children is Arthur Reginald Hatherley Edmonds born 1896 in Plymouth.
Thank you
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5 children on the 1901 all b England as was Eliza.
Have you looked for any of their childrens birth reg on freebmd? Then use GRO online to get mmn to help trace a marriage
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Would suggest you backtrack the family to establish if any children were born before 1881 and establish Eliza was his wife at that time (rules out a 2nd marriage)
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I've been having problems finding registration of births, which has made me suspicious
Then I found this
Arthur Reginald Hatherley
Q4 1896
Plymouth Vol 5b p281
Can't find it on GRO to confirm mmn
Added - mmn Luke
There's also a FLorence Hatherley b1892
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Not sure what's happening, but this marriage looks interesting
Q3 1877 Plymouth 5b 400
Coppin Edmund
EDMUNDS Thomas <<<
LUKE Elizabeth <<<
Pitts Mary
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Births which seem to fit the census (apart from Florence, not yet identified)
HATHERLY, EDMUND mmn LUKE
Q3 1878 PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 270
HATHERLEIGH, ELIZABETH JANE mmn LUKE
Q2 1880 PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 301
HATHERLEIGH, WILLIAM mmn LUKE
Q1 1883 PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 296
HATHERLY, MARGARET MAUD MARY mmn LUKE
Q3 1888 PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 262
HATHERLY, THOMAS LUKE mmn LUKE
Q1 1893 PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 249
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Thank you so much.
I have to apologise because there is a previous query about this Edmonds clan. Right shenanigans.
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Not sure what's happening, but this marriage looks interesting
Q3 1877 Plymouth 5b 400
Coppin Edmund
EDMUNDS Thomas <<<
LUKE Elizabeth <<<
Pitts Mary
Marriage date 16 Jul 1877
Denomination Anglican
Place Plymouth, St Andrew
Elizabeth Luke Age 21
Father Thomas Luke, shoemaker
Spouse Thomas Edmunds Age 23 mariner
father John Edmunds shoemaker
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1881 Census
Catherine, St Sampson, Guernsey, Guernsey and Adjacent Islands, Channel Islands
Samuel Dace Lobb - Married 1833 Master Ireland
Thomas Edward Edmonds - Married 1852 Mate St Sampson, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Louis Morrain - Married 1845 A B Seaman France
Peter Morrain - Single 1858 A B Seaman St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Louis Ollivier - Single 1845 A B Seaman France
William Hayers Married 1837 Cook & Steward St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
John Richard Keenen - 1864 O S St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Frederick Edmonds - Singl 1862 O S St Sampson, Guernsey, Channel Islands
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Transcription only
Arthur Reginald Hatherly Edmonds
Marriage 22 Jun 1920 St Peter Plymouth
Spouse Maud Mary Moon Edwards
Denomination Anglican
Arthur Reginald Hatherly Edmonds
Death date 14 Feb 1978
Probate date 07 Jun 1978
Record set England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1960-2019
Maud Mary Moon Edmonds
Death Date: 11 Jun 1973
Death Place: Judes Plymouth
Probate Date: 6 Jul 1973
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So I have Thomas' father incorrect?
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Thomas Edward Edmonds born 1852 in Guernsey to
parents Thomas Carr Edmonds and Mary Ann Picken.
Do you have birth certificate confirming mother’s maiden name, fathers occupation?
Thos. Edward Edmonds
b 27 Oct 1852, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father: Thos. Edmonds Mother: Mary Anne
Do you have the Edmonds/Picken marriage certificate?
Sep qtr 1849 Stoke Damerel RD vol 9 p 500
Names
Sarah Seal Burdett
Thomas Carr Edmonds
Jeremiah Gregon
Philippa Johns
Phillippa Johns
Myles Young Jones
Mary Ann Picken
Mary Simpson
Joseph Francis Welman
Did these couple marry each other
Mary Ann Picken marry Joseph Francis Welman
and did
Thomas Carr Edmonds marry Sarah Seal BURDETT
1851 census have these couples married to each other
Piece: 1881 Folio: 214 Page Number: 46
Josh F Welman 25
Mary A Welman 27
Josh W Welman 9 Mo
WELMAN, JOSEPH WILLIAM mmn PICKEN
1850 J Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL Volume 09 Page 476
Piece: 1878 Folio: 66 Page Number: 27
Thomas Edmonds 24 (c1827) Devonshire, occ rope maker
Sarah Edmonds 24
Alex Edmonds 8 Mo
EDMONDS, ALEXANDER BURDETT mmn BURDETT
1850 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 09 Page 295
EDIT
Sarah Seal Burdett
b 26 May 1828
bp 15 Jun 1828 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Parents John & Mary Burdett
Sarah Seal Burdett
Baptism 15 Jun 1828 St Pancras, Camden
Father: John Burdett, boot maker Mother: Mary
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Forgot to add (edit maybe related)
Thomas Carr Edmonds
bp 3 Aug 1831 Plymouth, St Andrew
Father Alexander Carr Edmonds, occ rope maker Mother Jane
EDITED - possible marriage of parents
11 Aug 1836 Plymouth, St Andrew
Alexander Carr EDMONDS
Spouse Jane BOUNDY - made her mark (x)
1841 Census
Retreat Cottage, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Devon
Alexander Edmonds 65 Rope'm
Jane Edmonds 35
THOMAS Edmonds 11
Samuel Edmonds 3
Maria Edmonds 5
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So on the one hand we gave father of Thomas Edward Edmonds as John...
and also...
Father and mother (of Thomas) = Thomas E and Mary Anne
and then we gave Thomas marrying Sarah Burdett....
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783043.27
Please see this link
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Did Thomas Carr Edmonds marry Sarah Seal BURDETT in 1849?
1851 census Piece: 1878 Folio: 66 Page Number: 27
Thomas Edmonds 24 (c1827) Devonshire, occ rope maker
Sarah Edmonds 24
Alex Edmonds 8 Mo
EDMONDS, ALEXANDER BURDETT mmn BURDETT
1850 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 09 Page 295
For info. - it looks as if Thomas did marry Sarah details from Baptism of son Henry and his marriage
Henry Kellow Edmonds Birth 05 Oct 1858
Baptism 27 Oct 1858 Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Denomination Anglican
Father Thomas Carr Edmonds, rope maker
Mother Sarah Seal, 14 Chapel Street
Henry Kellow Edmunds age 45 widower
Father Thomas EDMUNDS dec’d rope maker
Seraphinea Georgina Peeney WESTCOTT age 35 widow
father George Dunning BROCK dec’d Farmer
29 Oct 1910 Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Denomination Anglican
Henry Kellow EDMONDS mmn BURDETT
1858 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 221
Thomas Edmonds & Sarah Edmonds are not living together on 1871 census
although both are noted as married
Emily TONKIN Head 32 Cornwall Lodging House Keeper
THOMAS Edmonds boarder 38 Mar. Plymouth rope maker
Selina Edmonds dau. 3 mths Plymouth
Elizabeth Rowe servant 20
Piece: 2120 Folio: 47 Page Number: 4
It looks as if his daughter Selina might be the child of Emily Tonkin - Emily is noted as unmarried on 1871 c
Selina EDMONDS mmn TONKIN
1868 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 288
Her death
Selina Edmonds TONKIN Age 3
Residence 29 Bath Place Plymouth
Burial 10 Dec 1871 Ford Park Cemetery Plymouth
Denomination General
Grave type Common
Memorial reference Section AH, No.9, Row 67
Sarah S Edmands Mar 37 London
Henery Edmands 11
Anne Edmands 8
Piece: 2112 Folio: 43 Page Number: 48
Ann Eliza EDMONDS mmn BURDETT
1863 M Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 259
Can this Thomas Edmonds now be ruled out ?