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Title: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Philezra on Thursday 14 November 19 18:42 GMT (UK)
Hi.

Thomas Edward Edmonds born 1852 in Guernsey to parents Thomas Carr Edmonds and Mary Ann Picken.

Looking for his marriage....

Census has him with Eliza - One of their children is Arthur Reginald Hatherley Edmonds born 1896 in Plymouth.

Thank you
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 14 November 19 19:47 GMT (UK)
5 children on the 1901  all b England as was Eliza.

Have you looked for any of their childrens  birth reg on freebmd?  Then use GRO online to get mmn to help trace a marriage

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

Would suggest you backtrack the family to establish if any children were born before 1881 and establish Eliza was his wife at that time (rules out a 2nd marriage)
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 14 November 19 20:46 GMT (UK)
I've been having problems finding registration of births, which has made me suspicious

Then I found this

Arthur Reginald Hatherley
Q4   1896
Plymouth Vol 5b p281

Can't find it on GRO to confirm mmn
Added - mmn Luke

There's also a FLorence Hatherley  b1892
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 14 November 19 20:52 GMT (UK)
Not sure what's happening, but this marriage looks interesting

Q3 1877 Plymouth    5b   400   
Coppin    Edmund        
EDMUNDS    Thomas        <<<
LUKE    Elizabeth    <<<    
Pitts    Mary        
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Thursday 14 November 19 21:04 GMT (UK)
Births which seem to fit the census (apart from Florence, not yet identified)

HATHERLY, EDMUND   mmn LUKE     
Q3 1878  PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 270

HATHERLEIGH, ELIZABETH  JANE  mmn    LUKE     
Q2 1880 PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 301

HATHERLEIGH, WILLIAM     mmn LUKE     
Q1 1883 PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 296

HATHERLY, MARGARET  MAUD MARY     mmn LUKE     
Q3 1888  PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 262

HATHERLY, THOMAS  LUKE mmn    LUKE     
Q1 1893 PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 249



Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Philezra on Thursday 14 November 19 21:37 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.

I have to apologise because there is a previous query about this Edmonds clan. Right shenanigans.

Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 14 November 19 22:29 GMT (UK)
Not sure what's happening, but this marriage looks interesting

Q3 1877 Plymouth    5b   400   
Coppin    Edmund        
EDMUNDS    Thomas        <<<
LUKE    Elizabeth    <<<    
Pitts    Mary   

Marriage date   16 Jul 1877
Denomination   Anglican   
Place   Plymouth, St Andrew

Elizabeth Luke Age   21
Father Thomas Luke, shoemaker

Spouse Thomas Edmunds Age 23 mariner
father John Edmunds shoemaker

Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 14 November 19 22:41 GMT (UK)
1881 Census
Catherine, St Sampson, Guernsey, Guernsey and Adjacent Islands, Channel Islands

Samuel Dace   Lobb   -   Married   1833   Master   Ireland
Thomas Edward   Edmonds   -   Married   1852   Mate   St Sampson, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Louis   Morrain   -   Married   1845   A B Seaman   France
Peter   Morrain   -   Single   1858   A B Seaman   St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Louis   Ollivier   -   Single   1845   A B Seaman   France
William   Hayers   Married   1837   Cook & Steward   St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
John Richard   Keenen   -   1864   O S   St Peter Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Frederick   Edmonds   -   Singl 1862   O S   St Sampson, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 14 November 19 23:16 GMT (UK)
Transcription only

Arthur Reginald Hatherly Edmonds
Marriage 22 Jun 1920 St Peter Plymouth
Spouse Maud Mary Moon Edwards
Denomination   Anglican

Arthur Reginald Hatherly Edmonds
Death date   14 Feb 1978
Probate date   07 Jun 1978
Record set   England & Wales Government Probate Death Index 1960-2019

Maud Mary Moon Edmonds
Death Date:   11 Jun 1973
Death Place:   Judes Plymouth
Probate Date:   6 Jul 1973
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Philezra on Friday 15 November 19 00:48 GMT (UK)
So I have Thomas' father incorrect?

Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 15 November 19 00:48 GMT (UK)

Thomas Edward Edmonds born 1852 in Guernsey to
parents Thomas Carr Edmonds and Mary Ann Picken.


Do you have birth certificate confirming mother’s maiden name, fathers occupation?

Thos. Edward Edmonds
b 27 Oct 1852, Guernsey, Channel Islands
Father:   Thos. Edmonds Mother:   Mary Anne

Do you have the Edmonds/Picken marriage certificate?

Sep qtr 1849 Stoke Damerel RD vol 9 p 500


Names
Sarah Seal Burdett
Thomas Carr Edmonds
Jeremiah Gregon
Philippa Johns
Phillippa Johns
Myles Young Jones
Mary Ann Picken
Mary Simpson
Joseph Francis Welman

Did these couple marry each other

Mary Ann Picken marry Joseph Francis Welman

and did

Thomas Carr Edmonds marry Sarah Seal  BURDETT

1851 census have these couples married to each other

Piece:   1881 Folio:   214 Page Number:   46
Josh F Welman   25
Mary A Welman   27
Josh W Welman   9 Mo

WELMAN, JOSEPH  WILLIAM   mmn PICKEN
1850  J Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL  Volume 09  Page 476   

Piece:   1878 Folio:   66 Page Number:   27
Thomas Edmonds 24 (c1827) Devonshire, occ rope maker
Sarah Edmonds   24
Alex Edmonds   8 Mo

EDMONDS, ALEXANDER  BURDETT   mmn BURDETT
1850  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 09  Page 295

EDIT

Sarah Seal Burdett
b 26 May 1828
bp 15 Jun 1828 Old Church, Saint Pancras, London
Parents John & Mary Burdett

Sarah Seal Burdett
Baptism 15 Jun 1828 St Pancras, Camden
Father:   John Burdett, boot maker  Mother:   Mary
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 15 November 19 00:57 GMT (UK)
Forgot to add (edit maybe related)

Thomas Carr Edmonds
bp 3 Aug 1831 Plymouth, St Andrew
Father Alexander Carr Edmonds, occ rope maker Mother Jane

EDITED - possible marriage of parents

11 Aug 1836 Plymouth, St Andrew
Alexander Carr EDMONDS
Spouse   Jane BOUNDY - made her mark (x)

1841 Census
Retreat Cottage, Charles the Martyr, Plymouth, Devon

Alexander   Edmonds      65 Rope'm   
Jane   Edmonds               35   
THOMAS   Edmonds      11   
Samuel   Edmonds      3   
Maria   Edmonds      5   
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Philezra on Friday 15 November 19 11:43 GMT (UK)
So on the one hand we gave father of Thomas Edward Edmonds as John...
and also...

Father and mother (of Thomas) = Thomas E and Mary Anne

and then we gave Thomas marrying Sarah Burdett....
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Philezra on Friday 15 November 19 12:17 GMT (UK)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783043.27

Please see this link
Title: Re: Marriage of Thomas Edward Edmonds
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 15 November 19 18:15 GMT (UK)
Quote

Did Thomas Carr Edmonds marry Sarah Seal  BURDETT in 1849?

1851 census  Piece:   1878 Folio:   66 Page Number:   27

Thomas Edmonds 24 (c1827) Devonshire, occ rope maker
Sarah Edmonds   24
Alex Edmonds   8 Mo

EDMONDS, ALEXANDER  BURDETT   mmn BURDETT
1850  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 09  Page 295


For info. - it looks as if Thomas did marry Sarah details from Baptism of son Henry and his marriage

Henry Kellow Edmonds   Birth 05 Oct 1858   
Baptism 27 Oct 1858 Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Denomination   Anglican
Father   Thomas Carr Edmonds, rope maker
Mother      Sarah Seal, 14 Chapel Street

Henry Kellow Edmunds age 45 widower
Father    Thomas EDMUNDS dec’d rope maker

Seraphinea Georgina Peeney WESTCOTT age 35 widow
father George Dunning BROCK dec’d Farmer

29 Oct 1910 Plymouth, Charles the Martyr
Denomination   Anglican
   
Henry Kellow EDMONDS  mmn   BURDETT
1858  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 221   

Thomas Edmonds & Sarah Edmonds are not living together on 1871 census
although both are noted as married

Emily TONKIN Head 32 Cornwall Lodging House Keeper
THOMAS Edmonds boarder 38 Mar. Plymouth rope maker
Selina Edmonds dau. 3 mths Plymouth
Elizabeth Rowe servant 20
Piece:   2120 Folio:   47 Page Number:   4

It looks as if his daughter Selina might be the child of Emily Tonkin - Emily is noted as unmarried on 1871 c

Selina EDMONDS mmn TONKIN
1868  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 288   

Her death

Selina Edmonds TONKIN Age 3   
Residence   29 Bath Place Plymouth      
Burial 10 Dec 1871 Ford Park Cemetery Plymouth   
Denomination   General
Grave type   Common
Memorial reference   Section AH, No.9, Row 67

Sarah S Edmands  Mar 37 London
Henery Edmands    11
Anne Edmands             8
Piece:   2112 Folio:   43 Page Number:   48

Ann Eliza EDMONDS  mmn   BURDETT
1863  M Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 259   

Can this Thomas Edmonds now be ruled out ?