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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Kandi Burns on Monday 25 November 19 05:37 GMT (UK)
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hello I am trying to trace my grandfathers relatives. His mother was Mary Elizabeth White and her Parents where John Samuel White and Louisa omaley/maley (change in name) from my findings, and Louisa's parents were john omaley 1843-1919 and pleasant aggas 1845-1906. I am hoping that there is someone who may know about Roy Dodd I have been told he was know by other names such as John Morris Dodd, John Marcus Dodd and Roy Robert Walters. But from my findings from other sites and cousins I have made we found that Roy Dodd married a Mary Elizabeth White but so did a John Dodd. so one wonders was Roy and john brothers? or. so can someone help.
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Welcome to rootschat, Kandi.
Which country did these people live in, or did they move around?
Thank-you.
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OK.
Pleasant Aggas was born in Tasmania, according to trees on Ancestry.
Have you got access to Ancestry, or which sites do you use?
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A tree has Louisa Malley born 13th May 1877 Westbury, Tasmania, and dies 16th November 1919, Launceston, but does not know who the spouse is.
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I had just seen one tree and looked there.
Pleasant is in possibly 43 trees on Ancestry.
Are you getting confused because of other people's mistakes?
Do you have the documents when you tracked back, or just using other people's claims?
Is Roy Dodd a direct ancestor, or a second husband of Mary Elizabeth White?
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as far as I KNOW Roy Dodd is from NSW and died in either Melbourne or western Australia. I was on ancestry but my time ran out. I have been mainly using family search.org and other sites like Geni and find my past to name a few. thankyou for replying. I do not have any documents most of what I know is from living relatives. I am trying to trace their birth certificates and death certificates
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Mary Elizabeth White, according to trees, was born on 5th June 1907, Beaconsfield, Tasmania, and married an unknown Dodd, or one or other or both of the Dodds mentioned by Kandi. and died 1960, Launceston.
Who was your grandfather, and have you got any birth dates, death dates, marriage certificates etc for him? War records, electoral rolls with parents?
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Any dates for Roy Dodd, please?
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In 1943 ER, Mary Elizabeth Dodd was living at 281 Charles Street, no other Dodd at that address. Similarly in 1949.
Are they meant to have met in Tasmania or Australia, and your grandfather born where?
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If, as seems likely, Mary never married Mr Dodd, then you need your grandfather's birth certificate for whatever information it contains.
If she did marry Mr Dodd, then you need that certificate also.
When was your grandfather born, and where?
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my grandfather as far as I know was born in Sydney Australia in 1932 and his father from what I was told died in port Melbourne and a uncle in western Australia
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You have put
'my grandfather as far as I know was born in Sydney Australia in 1932 and his father from what I was told died in port Melbourne and a uncle in western Australia'
You need to work backwards using certificates to help confirm what you have been told.
Death certificate of grandfather.
Marriage certificate of grandfather.
Birth certificate of grandfather.
Have you got any of these, or are you in the middle of applying for them? Or are they not available because of age/year restrictions? Was it your Mother or Father who was the witness on the death certificate, or has a relation got an original document?
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That's the thing if I had the certificates I probably would be able to if I could trace there birth then maybe I would be able to get a certificate.
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Suggest you ask moderator to move this posting to the Australian boards, as I do not know what certificates you can access, and when.
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1899 marriage Beaconsfield Tasmania
John White age 19y born Beaconsfield
parents John Thomas White, Mary Anne nee Browne
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Louisa Malley age 22y born ? Tas
parents John Malley, Pleasant nee Aggas
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-61p6j2k
1877 birth of Louisa Malley
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-55p421j2k
Can't see a birth registration, but there is a 1922 Land Engine Operator certificate for John Samuel White that shows a date of birth of 30 July 1879 Beaconsfield
https://stors.tas.gov.au/AA79-1-1-P502
https://stors.tas.gov.au/AA79-1-1-P503
1919 death notice for Louisa
'...Louisa. the beloved wife of John Samuel White of Derby and sixth daughter of the late John and Pleasant O'Maley aged 42 years...'
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article51061857
**Note that there is another John Samuel White linked to Derby who died in 1905 aged 39y
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article64647161
1887 marriage John Samuel White to Elizabeth Mundy
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD37-1-46p293j2k
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Interwar RAAF service record for James Marcus John Morris DODD
Stated - born at sea 1899; wife ME Dodd
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/4262891/1
as he was found to have hidden his WW1 enlistment, any other details should be viewed with caution
M
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The RAAF service record has his marriage date as 5 Jan 1927
Vic BDM has this marriage for 1927
Jno Moris DODD
Mary Elizth WHITE
Vic Reg. 2987/1927
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Mary Elizabeth Dodd and James Marcus John Morris Dodd are both living at The Bruce, Roscoe Street, Bondi in 1930 ER's. He is a chef.
Added: In 1931 and 1933 Mary Elizabeth Dodd and James Marcus in Evans Street, Harbord.
In 1934, at The Cabin, Tuggerawong.
In 1936 and 1937 both at The Entrance, Gosford, he is still a chef.
In 1943 James Marcus Dodd is at The Entrance, Denning Street, Gosford, a chef, No other Dodd on ER at that address.
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James Marcus DoddS alias Roberts alias Walters is showing on Queensland index for 1922 for 'apprehensions'
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In 1943 ER, Mary Elizabeth Dodd was living at 281 Charles Street, no other Dodd at that address. Similarly in 1949.
Are they meant to have met in Tasmania or Australia, and your grandfather born where?
Index record for WW2 service record for Roy Robert WALTERS
Date of birth 15 Sept 1899 is the same as given in the RAAF record; Next of kin Mary Walters
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/4884864/1
WW2 Civil Constructional Corps record for Roy Robert WALTERS born 1899; pay allotee Mary Walters 281 Charles st Launceston; Trade - cook, same as RAAF record
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/6586892/1
Looks probable that 'Roy Robert Walters' was an alias used to enlist as he would have been deemed unfit from his WW1 injuries (mentioned in his RAAF record)
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New South Wales police gazette:
Roy Robert Walters Birth Year: abt 1896 Age: 27
Event Place: Freshwater, Queensland, Australia
Event Type: Missing Person
Publication Date: 26 Sep 1923 Page #: 496
Missing since 3rd September 1923 from Pemba Vale, Evans Street, Freshwater, 5'7 or 8", stout build, dark complexion and hair, clean shaven, brown eyes, injury to left foot, uses a crutch, heart and woman tattoos, a house-to-house hawker of mercery, a returned soldier. Information to Eileen Walters at above address.
Slightly wrong age.
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This one?
Roy Robt Walters Birth Registration Date: 1895 Birth Registration Place: Port Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Father: Edwd Walters Mother Maiden Name: Charl Phyllis Roberts
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In 1943 ER Roy Robert Walters is at 281 Charles Street, a clerk.
So she is there as Dodd, and he is recorded as Walters.
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New South Wales police gazette:
Roy Robert Walters Birth Year: abt 1896 Age: 27
Event Place: Freshwater, Queensland, Australia
Event Type: Missing Person
Publication Date: 26 Sep 1923 Page #: 496
Missing since 3rd September 1923 from Pemba Vale, Evans Street, Freshwater, 5'7 or 8", stout build, dark complexion and hair, clean shaven, brown eyes, injury to left foot, uses a crutch, heart and woman tattoos, a house-to-house hawker of mercery, a returned soldier. Information to Eileen Walters at above address.
Slightly wrong age.
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This one?
Roy Robt Walters Birth Registration Date: 1895 Birth Registration Place: Port Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Father: Edwd Walters Mother Maiden Name: Charl Phyllis Roberts
From the RAAF record-
5 feet 9 inches
Dark complexion, brown eyes, dark hair, shoulder scar from burn, tattoo marks, appendectomy scar
and
'It has been discovered that A.C.1. DODD served in King Edward Horse in the recent war and received an injury to his left ankle, for which he is in receipt of a pension. He was also gassed and blown up in 1917.'
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1954 death Heidelberg VIC
Roy Robert WALTERS
M - Charlotte ROBERTS
F - Edward WALTERS
reg 4145/1954
Death notice with names of family members
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article245563470
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Is the implication that he was born as Walters, and deceived his wife, marrying her as Dodd, but then reverting to Walters?
There are other Roy Robert Walters around.
Was he really born 1895, and invented born at sea 1899 for the Dodd persona?
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In the ER for 1954, living at his address (105 Clark Street) with the surname Walters are Leo Francis, Sylvia May and Roy Robert. Wife Mary is not there under Walters surname. (From the death announcement
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Is the implication that he was born as Walters, and deceived his wife, marrying her as Dodd, but then reverting to Walters?
There are other Roy Robert Walters around.
Was he really born 1895, and invented born at sea 1899 for the Dodd persona?
and could the Eileen Walters of Pemba Vale from the missing report also be a spouse?
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I did wonder if Eileen was from Charlene - but it is Charlotte so not his Mother, and probably his wife.
But then what happened to Eileen if Mary was his wife in that death announcement, and, in fact, which Mary?
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Thankyou for what you managed to find I will look at them but now I am wondering who is truly my great grandfather and what was his last name I know that I have got to get to the bottom of this
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Kandi,
If your grandparents are deceased can you post their names, and area of living, as marriages are on line up to 1969 in NSW, so you may be able to purchase their cert.
If they are alive, send me a personal message with their names.
Jamjar
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Are they meant to have met in Tasmania or Australia, and your grandfather born where?
Chempat, you made me chuckle. I often tease a friend who lives in Tassie telling her she doesn’t live in AUSTRALIA. Alas, not all Tasmanians see the humour in it. ;D ;D ;D
Jamjar
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Do you have a copy of the image from Vic BDM of the following marriage in 1927 :
Jno Moris DODD and Mary Elizth WHITE, rego no. 2987 ... if so, what information is found there?
JM
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Here (again) is the live link to the RAAF records mentioned earlier (at reply #12, )
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/4262891/1 (23 pages) covering 1921-1948, he was born at sea near Boston USA 15 Sept 1899, nok M Dodd. page 8 mentions he married on 5 January 1927.
The National Archives of Australia have another set of documents for James Marcus DODD, but although these are on open access, it would seem that no one has sought their digitisation. They have his service no. as N107268, dob as 15 Sept 1900, born at sea, England, nok Mary DODD.
http://soda.naa.gov.au/record/5680351/1 The B884 series is for CMF personnel dossiers.
JM ADD, I have edited this post, Matthew had already provided that soda link, my apologies for part duplicating his fine efforts.
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1954 death Heidelberg VIC
Roy Robert WALTERS
M - Charlotte ROBERTS
F - Edward WALTERS
reg 4145/1954
Death notice with names of family members
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article245563470
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There is an Eileen Walters née Roberts who died in QLD: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article42481697
1946 C1260 Eileen Maud Walters parents Arthur Roberts and Mary Ann Norris
Jamjar
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Do we have an occupation for Roy RODD, our OPs grandfather who was likely born in Sydney NSW 1932?
JM
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British army WW1 service record for Roy Robert WALTERS
Address - 141 Farrell st Port Melbourne Australia
Age - 27y
Trade - Butcher
Married - no
Corps - King Edwards Horse, transfered to Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Attestation date - 19 June 1916, London
Next of kin - Edward Walters 141 Farrell st, father (later crossed out and changed to Phyllis Queenie Wilson, 3 Fair Mead rd Holloway rd London, wife)
Marriage details - Phyllis Queenie Wilson, spinster, place Islington 19/8/1918
Service record includes a letter sent by RR Walters in 1921 from 45 L. Avenue Newtown Sydney NSW requesting replacements of stolen discharge documents needed to 'have my wife repatriated to my home in Australia'
Marriage entry St Paul's Church Upper Holloway Islington
August 19 1918
Roy Robert Walters 21 Bachelor, Soldier, ?? Northern Hospital, father Edward Walters, butcher
Phyllis Queenie Wilson 21 Spinster, - ,606 Harrow rd Paddington, father Frederick Wilson, Hotel Proprietor
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1954 death Heidelberg VIC
Roy Robert WALTERS
M - Charlotte ROBERTS
F - Edward WALTERS
reg 4145/1954
Death notice with names of family members
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article245563470
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The siblings mentioned. Births VIC:
23406/1888 Edward Archibald death 24265/1962 aged 74
5882/1891 Frank Allen death 18418/1974 aged 84
25586/1893 John Henry - He was John in mother’s death notice and Harry in father’s.
31927/1895 Roy Robert 4145/1954 aged 56
21913/1897 Winifred Eaton - died 1989 as Winifred Eaton Adams - death notice, type 24 into small white box: https://news.google.com.au/newspapers?nid=MDQ-9Oe3GGUC&dat=19890720&printsec=frontpage&hl=en
28057/1903 William Leonard death 9512/1978 aged 74
Death notice for the father Edward, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article204290523 He is buried at Melbourne General Cemetery.
Death notice and Obit for Charlotte, 1st and 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article179916334 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article164955409 Her death notice asks Tasmanian papers to copy.
Jamjar
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Do we have an occupation for Roy RODD, our OPs grandfather who was likely born in Sydney NSW 1932?
JM
Her grandfather isn’t Roy, JM, and he is still living.
Jamjar
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Thanks JJ.
JM
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no I do not know what my great grandfathers occupation was. As far as I know my great grandparents are from Sydney or Melbourne or Tasmania. I don't know much on him at all
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Your, GGrandfather’s occupation should be on your grandfather’s marriage cert, I believe. Also, should be the name your GG was known by at the time.
Jamjar
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my grandfather as far as I know was born in Sydney Australia in 1932 and his father from what I was told died in port Melbourne and a uncle in western Australia
Did your gfather grow up in NSW and was he married in NSW?
Do you have a name for the uncle who died in WA?
Jamjar
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I was told that he was born in Sydney but later found out that he was born in port Melbourne along with his twin brother John Moris Dodd and Roy Robert Dodd
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The Roy Robert Walters who died in 1954 was buried a Catholic, at Springvale Cemetery, Melbourne.
Are your family members, Catholic?
Jamjar
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I was baptised church of england
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As your grandfather is still alive, then someone of his family must have his birth and marriage certificates and the necessary information to fill in his death certificate. Are you not in a position to ask him or others, directly, to see the certificates?
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I can find no evidence that the woman Roy Robert WALTERS married in 1918 and for whom he claimed to be arranging repatriation to Australia in 1921, ever arrived in Australia. She was Phyllis Queenie WILSON, as mentioned.
Does anyone else see her?
When he married in 1927 to Mary Elizabeth WHITE, he was possibly still legally married to Phyllis.
He married as DODD and later it seems reverted to WALTERS, though Mary Elizabeth seemed to retain her DODD married name.
As mentioned, the couple were living in Tasmania at 281 Charles street Launceston and he was Roy Robert WALTERS while she was Mary ELizabeth DODD.
They were there from 1943 to 1949 together. Prior to that seem to be in NSW as listed
There is one Mary Elizabeth DODD in Launceston in 1954, but the address is different 102 St John Street. Another male live there too. A truck driver.
As noted, Roy Robert was in Melbourne in 1954.
Sue
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The text is poor on the 1954 Tas E Roll digitisation.
The truck driver DODD may have been at 192 St John Street.
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I can find no evidence that the woman Roy Robert WALTERS married in 1918 and for whom he claimed to be arranging repatriation to Australia in 1921, ever arrived in Australia. She was Phyllis Queenie WILSON, as mentioned.
Still looking for her birth, to check her out in full.
Can see a Phyllis Queenie Ringshaw born 1898 in West Ham.
But she died 1899.
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As mentioned, the couple were living in Tasmania at 281 Charles street Launceston and he was Roy Robert WALTERS while she was Mary ELizabeth DODD.
Excellent, Sue.
What appears to be another son of this couple, surname DODD, gives his wife and mother Mary’s address as the one above, on his RAN record. By 1960 it has him in Dundas Sydney, with a wife of a different name.
Name can’t be posted, as no evidence of death is found thus far.
Jamjar
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There is one Mary Elizabeth DODD in Launceston in 1954, but the address is different 102 St John Street. Another male live there too. A truck driver.
Sue
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The text is poor on the 1954 Tas E Roll digitisation.
The truck driver DODD may have been at 192 St John Street.
Just to confirm that the truck driver DODD mentioned above in 1954 was related to Mary Elizabeth DODD, I have since seen a news item dated 1946 in Launceston where a young chap of the same name was in a road accident.
His address at that time was 281 Charles Street Launceston.
As mentioned, the couple were living in Tasmania at 281 Charles street Launceston and he was Roy Robert WALTERS while she was Mary ELizabeth DODD.
Excellent, Sue.
What appears to be another son of this couple, surname DODD, gives his wife and mother Mary’s address as the one above, on his RAN record. By 1960 it has him in Dundas Sydney, with a wife of a different name.
Name can’t be posted, as no evidence of death is found thus far.
Jamjar
This man above and his wife are located in Bradfield Park in 1963
Sue
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Just spotted under a slight misspelling of his name, the RAN chap formerly from Bradfield Park, (as mentioned my previous post) is in Boulder Kalgoorlie W A in 1977.
I do remember our OP Kandi mentioned the deatho an uncle in W A .
I wonder whether Kandi will be back online soon.
Sue
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am here sue. I have been catching up on the posts
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I have located the interment of the man who died in Western Australia and about whom there has been discussion above as he is very likely a son of Mary Elizabeth DODD.
His name was Bruce Allan DODD. He died in 1993
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188860298
Sue
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yes sue that is my uncle but who was his spouse and did he have kids
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Dodd at the same cemetery:
DODD Bruce Allan 2 February 1993 Aged 63 years - No headstone
DODD Chapman 8 October 1986 - No headstone
DODD Lena 22 April 1972 Aged 50 years - No headstone
DODD Pudden 23 October 1991 Aged 77 years - No headstone
DODD Robert William 4 April 1974 Aged 46 years - No headstone
DODD Tommy 12 September 1971 Aged 42 years - No headstone
DODD Tommy 16 April 1973 Aged 64 years - No headstone
1971: 53 1971 Dodd Tommy Male 42 parents Sam and Annie Pt Hedland
Jamjar
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Bruce is the only name that I know Jamjar
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I will send you the name of the women who may have been his wives if Jamjar has not already done so. There is no evidence so far that they are deceased.
It will need to be done by private message. You will be notified of the message via your email address and then you must login here and open "My Messages"
A marriage record to either of them has not been located
We are relying on an RAN record and Electoral Roll listings.
Sue
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ok then thankyou sue
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Yes, Sue the wives names have been sent earlier. They are not in the cemetery with that Bruce.
Would you say that the middle initial for wife 2 is a K?
Jamjar
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Yes. I have suggested by PM to Kandi that the hand-written RAN record has made an error and yes, the middle initial is intended as K and the R should be omitted from the first given name too.
Sue
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Kandi, do you have the death cert for that Bruce?
I’m wondering how you know he is the correct one?
Jamjar
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FYI
Electoral reg details for Bruce.
1963
DODD Bruce Allan.
215b Bradfield Park Lindfield. Occ pit man
One other of the surname
1977
DODD Bruce Alan
36 York Street Boulder
Occ. a p a ( I don't know what that is.)
No others of the surname
When living at 23 Alexander Street Dundas in 1958, he was a mechanic.
Sue
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The first wife in the RAN record, **, used a false name on her marriage to Bruce Allan Dodd, as set out in this article.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100176780
The 24 Dec 1949 marriage to '*' in Launceston Tas for Bruce Allan Dodd, 20y, born South Kensington NSW, stoker-mechanic RAN, has his address as 281 Charles st; parents James Marcus Dodd, pensioner, and Mary Elizabeth Dodd, nee White
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interesting article so is that ***** the so called ***** or some other name
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interesting article so is that *the so called *or some other name
Looking at other articles its hard to see what her real name was, as she used multiple aliases, but she used the name *** for her marriage to Dodd.
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The first wife in the RAN record, ****, used a false name on her marriage to Bruce Allan Dodd, as set out in this article.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100176780
The 24 Dec 1949 marriage to 'Diana' in Launceston Tas for Bruce Allan Dodd, 20y, born South Kensington NSW, stoker-mechanic RAN, has his address as 281 Charles st; parents James Marcus Dodd, pensioner, and Mary Elizabeth Dodd, nee White
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Amazing article indeed!
Although it would be difficult to locate her death. I wonder if we are assuming she is deceased and thus publishing her name. I just feel proceeding with caution in the matter might be wise.
ADDING. And of course the same applies to the next "wife"
Sue
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yes sue maybe we should use caution as we don't know for sure if the wives have passed
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Matthew and Kandi, you need to remove her name.
We used PMs to relay information on wives.
There is no evidence that the wife mentioned in the article is one of those on his RAN record. There is no evidence that his wives are deceased.
Jamjar
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2013 article on bigamy has not managed to find her:
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-sunday-mail-queensland/20131228/282282433131092
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Just a quick note to mention I have not yet found any indication that the wives are no longer living.
JM
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Matthew and Kandi, you need to remove her name.
We used PMs to relay information on wives.
There is no evidence that the wife mentioned in the article is one of those on his RAN record. There is no evidence that his wives are deceased.
Jamjar
Ok, names removed. Just to clarify, the name and address on the RAN record is the same as the name and address on the 1949 marriage certificate, which was located from the date and place mentioned in the article (Christmas eve 1949, Launceston), so clearly the same person.
The name is an alias, one of many, so I judged it as very unlikely to relate to a still-living person.
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:D
It is best to be cautious in our forum posts as these are 'published' and so are available in open forum without the need for anyone to log on or sign in.
Whether an alias or a number of alias or no alias ... these names are indentifying a person resident in Australia who may well still be living, and thus have a lawful expectation to privacy of the individual. Different jurisdictions have different interpretations of those expectations, but most do consider it is a no no to publish sensitive identifying details.
JM
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Hi matthewj64
Personally I feel there is no problem at all with linking news items about any people in question and well done for your thorough search work there.
I think it is the accessibility through google search etc. which is the issue ::)
In the news item you cited, there was mention of a baby expected.
Perhaps this was the reason for the wife being left at the home and in the care of Bruce's mother, Mary Elizabeth, while Bruce returned to his naval duties.
One wonder who subsequently cared for this child.
The mother? extended family? or Bruce?
Adopted perhaps.
Sue
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The problem wasn’t the article, which I too found days ago, it was the fact that the wife’s name was typed in.
The baby was stillborn, as stated in a similar article. There is also a very large photo of the bigamist.
Jamjar
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Oh.
Well that's a sad thing.
The young woman had some hard things in life I think.
Sue
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:D
It is best to be cautious in our forum posts as these are 'published' and so are available in open forum without the need for anyone to log on or sign in.
Whether an alias or a number of alias or no alias ... these names are indentifying a person resident in Australia who may well still be living, and thus have a lawful expectation to privacy of the individual. Different jurisdictions have different interpretations of those expectations, but most do consider it is a no no to publish sensitive identifying details.
JM
:) Ok, sound advice as she turned out to be quite easy to identify despite the aliases.
This 1997 cemetery record matches a Vic marriage and a Trove article
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170814889
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This 1997 cemetery record matches a Vic marriage and a Trove article
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/170814889
M
Well found M.
JM :)
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Matthew and Kandi, you need to remove her name.
We used PMs to relay information on wives.
There is no evidence that the wife mentioned in the article is one of those on his RAN record. There is no evidence that his wives are deceased.
Jamjar
think I removed the names correctly jamjar
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As mentioned, the couple were living in Tasmania at 281 Charles street Launceston and he was Roy Robert WALTERS while she was Mary ELizabeth DODD.
They were there from 1943 to 1949 together. Prior to that seem to be in NSW as listed
Sue
The Civil Construction Corps record for Roy Robert WALTERS which has been mentioned before, lists his address as 24 Bridport Street Albert Park (Melbourne)
He has a wife and three dependent children and his wife is at the Charles Street Address in Launceston.
I am thinking the marriage was scattered through with periods of separation.
Good work in getting Julie sorted ;D
I'm trying to track the truck driver ( per E Roll 1954) who was possibly the same person who, as boy in 1946 was hit by a car.
Linked again
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/26173084
Sue
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I was told that he was born in Sydney but later found out that he was born in port Melbourne along with his twin brother John Moris Dodd and Roy Robert Dodd
Kandi, I think it is safe to dismiss this of twins etc.story as in accurate.
The births to Edward and Charlotte WALTERS have been listed in reply #33 and there were not others by the DODD names.
So it appears your great grandfather made at least two marriages and also there is the issue of Eileen who calls herself Mrs Walters, his wife, in 1923 and lives in Freshwater NSW.
Interesting he had said he intended to bring his English wife Phyllis Queenie to Australia in 1922, but was "married" to another by 1923 without any located appearance from Phyllis.
I hope I have this right ::)
I am guessing your grandfather is still with us. ;D
Sue
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I'm trying to track the truck driver ( per E Roll 1954) who was possibly the same person who, as boy in 1946 was hit by a car.
He is still living.
As is Kandi’s grandfather.
also there is the issue of Eileen who calls herself Mrs Walters, his wife, in 1923 and lives in Freshwater NSW.
Wasn’t it Freshwater QLD #19? I think Eileen was a relative.
I can’t see any reference to Phyllis Queenie other than the marriage in 1918. I can’t see anything on Family Search, FreeBMD of the NET. Wonder what became of her.
Jamjar
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I was told that he was born in Sydney but later found out that he was born in port Melbourne along with his twin brother John Moris Dodd and Roy Robert Dodd
Kandi, I think it is safe to dismiss this of twins etc.story as in accurate.
The births to Edward and Charlotte WALTERS have been listed in reply #33 and there were not others by the DODD names.
So it appears your great grandfather made at least two marriages and also there is the issue of Eileen who calls herself Mrs Walters, his wife, in 1923 and lives in Freshwater NSW.
Interesting he had said he intended to bring his English wife Phyllis Queenie to Australia in 1922, but was "married" to another by 1923 without any located appearance from Phyllis.
I hope I have this right ::)
I am guessing your grandfather is still with us. ;D
Sue
Yes my grandfather is alive sue
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Wasn’t it Freshwater QLD #19? I think Eileen was a relative.
Jamjar
I took it to be Freshwater NSW as it was in the NSW Police Gazette and there is an Evans street there.
Sue
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I also cannot find anymore on Phyllis Queenie. Think she must show as Phyllis or Queenie, but not both. on any censuses, or registers or other births, marriages, or deaths.
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I wonder if there was a sort of unspoken agreement to let the marriage commitment slip away.
They married in 1918 and it was not until 1922 that he appeared to put in place any arrangement for her coming to Australia.
I would like to know more about Eileen WALTERS.
The "place of event" as Jamjar says, is stated as QLD (see
Reply #19)
The publication is "The New South Wales Gazette and Weekly Record of Crime" (Sydney 1860 -1930) Wed 26th Sept 1923.
I have taken it as being Freshwater NSW, because there is an Evans street there, but maybe it's not
I don't know if this woman is a relation or not. Her surname and parental family name make it look possible .....But.
Sue
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(later crossed out and changed to Phyllis Queenie Wilson, 3 Fair Mead rd Holloway rd London, wife)
Marriage details - Phyllis Queenie Wilson, spinster, place Islington 19/8/1918
Roy Robert Walters 21 Bachelor, Soldier, ?? Northern Hospital, father Edward Walters, butcher
Phyllis Queenie Wilson 21 Spinster, - ,606 Harrow rd Paddington, father Frederick Wilson, Hotel Proprietor
Just for information, in 1923, Tufnell Ward at 3 Fair Mead Road are Alfred, Alfred, Frank and Elisa Hayton, and Alfred and Harriet Tarry.
Cannot find Harrow Road in 1918/9 or in the 1920's.
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Phyllis Queenie is tricky.
However.....
OP has asked for any information about the father Roy Robert WALTERS- Edward WALTERS.
Probable Birth
Edwmrd ( this is ancestry's transcription) WALTERS
Year 1859
Reg. 2408
At Ballarat
Parents Joel Henry WALTERS & Jull ( this is ancestry's transcription) Ann WILLIAMS
Death
Edmard ( this is ancestry's transcription)WALTERS
Aged 76
At Ascot Vale
Parents Juls Henri WALTERS & Julia Ann WILLIAMS
Year 1935
Reg. 2422
Link to his death and funeral notice
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/244973230
Sue
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See post #33 for notices:
14065/1910 WALTERS Charl Phyllis parents Sophie LANGLEY and ROBERTS Robt Pt Melb aged 52
5765/1885 WALTERS Edward to ROBERTS Charl Phillis
Born Tassie:
Name: Roberts, Charlotte Phillis
Record Type: Births
Gender: Female
Father: Roberts, John - cabinetmaker
Mother: Langley, Sophia
Date of birth: 19 Aug 1858
Registered: Hobart
Registration year:1858
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:963310
Resource: RGD33/1/7 no 1792
Grandmother Philis ?
Jamjar
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Mother of Charlotte born Tasmania:
Name: Langley, Sophia
Record Type: Births
Gender: Female
Father: Langley, David - brickmaker
Mother: Skinner, Phillis - maiden name SKINNER
Date of birth: 05 Dec 1841
Registered: Hobart
Registration year: 1841
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1067050
Resource:RGD33/1/1/ no 598
David and Phillis married Hobart 26 September 1836.
I don’t know if links work: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD36-1-3p24
Looks like they were convicts, if I’m reading correctly: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/CON52-1-1p048
Phillis: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-9$init=CON40-1-9p129
David: https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/langley/david/73410
Jamjar
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Mother of Charlotte born Tasmania:
Name: Langley, Sophia
Record Type: Births
Gender: Female
Father: Langley, David - brickmaker
Mother: Skinner, Phillis - maiden name SKINNER
Date of birth: 05 Dec 1841
Registered: Hobart
Registration year: 1841
Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1067050
Resource:RGD33/1/1/ no 598
David and Phillis married Hobart 26 September 1836.
I don’t know if links work: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD36-1-3p24
Looks like they were convicts, if I’m reading correctly: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/CON52-1-1p048
Phillis: https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON40-1-9$init=CON40-1-9p129
Jamjar
that would not surprise me I have them on one side so why not the other and the other side is Jamieson, Ayres. jamjar
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Lucky you.
I don’t have any. :'(
I can’t see the Roberts/Langley marriage.
Jamjar
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I just stumbled on this David Langley was born as David Ottolangul in 1812 Aldgate London England. found on hhtps://members.iinet.net.au/~wgb/DavidLangley.html
I am not sure if the link will work but Phillis Skinner was on there so it may be the same one
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The convict link I posted says his name was Langley and the other the alias.
Scroll to the bottom of the same link where it says David took off to the US.
Jamjar
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yes David left for America don't know what happened to Phillis but it seems he married another and had more children in America. new wife Esther california
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The marriage of WALTERS to Julia Ann WILLIAMS produced a number of children.
I have listed some here. There seems to be discrepancies in the correct given name for WALTERS, but Julia is usually Julia Ann WILLIAMS. (except when it is Jull in the 1859 registration of Edward)
1857. Benjamin at Ballarat East. Parents Jol T WALTERS & Julia WILLIAMS
1859. Edward as given
1861. Ann Jane at Carngham. Parents Julian Henry WALTERS & Julia Ann WILLIAMS
1864. Catherine at Sandurst Sandridge. Parents jolien Henri WALTERS & Julia Ann WILLIAMS
1866. George Henry. Sridge. Parents Jollew Henri WALTERS & Julia Ann WILLIAMS
1869 Hannah Coke at Sandridge. Parents John Henry WALTERS & Julia AnnWILLIAMS
1871 Julia Ann at Sandhurst Sandridge. Parents John Henry WALTERS & Julia Ann WILLIAMS
Here is a death notice for Julia
Leader Melbourne. 31 Jan 1914
HUTCHNSON. On the 25th Jan at her home 9 South St Footscray, Julia Ann Hutchinson, relict of the late Julia Henri Walters and beloved mother of William, Benjamin, Edward, George, Mrs Love, Mrs Foggerty, and the late Mrs Koschell. Aged 81 years. A colonist of over 60 years.
Sue
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This death notice re Julia was placed a few weeks later and is slightly different
Melbourne Leader 21st February 1914
HUTCHISON---WALTERS.-On the 25th January at 9 South-street Footscray Julia Ann, relict
of the late Jolien Henri Walters, late of Ballarat Port. Melbourne, aged 81 years, .a colonist of
over 69 years. Interred .Footscray Cemetery.
Sue
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yes David left for America don't know what happened to Phillis but it seems he married another and had more children in America. new wife Esther california
It looks like Phillis remarried. I can’t read the her surname Charlotte’s birth registration. She is the informant as grandmother. Someone else may be able to read it.
Added: Could be her marrying, as a widow, in 1854 to Daniel Evans:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD37-1-13p132
I think it is a scribbly Evans on the birth cert: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD33-1-7p123
Daniel’s death, 1859: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD35-1-6p13
I think she married again, as a widow, in 1861 to Joel Orme:
https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD37-1-20p209
Jamjar
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The husband of Julia Ann (nee WILLIAMS) and father of Edward WALTERS died in 1872.
The usual transcribing/spelling issues were present in the indexing, though the news items call him John Henry WALTERS.
Jolica Henri WALTERS
Aged 54
Father Thomas
Mother Hannah NEWTON
Year 1872
Registration 7578
Sudden death of John Henry WALTERS
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/245695584
She remarried a few years later.
Julia Ann WALTERS
John HUTCHISON
Year 1879 Reg. 2765
Victoria
Sue
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A Dodd connection:
‘ Phillis's Second Marriage:
On the 27 February 1854, in Hobart, Phillis married Daniel EVANS. They had one daughter, Jane Evans, born on the 28 December 1851. Phillis would have had to wait seven years after David Langley left for California, which explains why Jane was born some two years before Phillis and Daniel married. Jane Evans married Wilford DODD on the 14 February 1870, in Hobart.’
http://members.iinet.net.au/~wgb/PhillisSkinner.html
I agree that this may be her death: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/AF35-1-1p6
Joel Orme mentioned 3rd column 1906: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article201885009
Wilford DODD marriage: https://stors.tas.gov.au/download/RGD37-1-29p84
Again in NSW, maybe: 1435/1887 DODD Wilford to BROWN Elizabeth SYDNEY
Jamjar
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but what happened to Wilford Dodd? I did read he went by name of William. but I cant find much about him I did come across a Wilford Dodd who was 3rd cook on a Jamaican crew . the other details were from mariners and ships in Australian waters Victoria
of Sydney, T A Lake ,master, burthen 977 tons from Brisbane to Sydney, New South Wales, 18 November 1879. but is this the same one?
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I came across this photo in the Launceston Family Album but all that was attached to this photo was T White but I wonder who is he and where did he originate from is this white one of the whites in my tree??? :D
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Does Anyone have any information on the sisters of Grandfather P****** Walters and A***** Walters. My grandfather was born around 1932 and P *W* was the first born and A*W* was born after my Grandfather and to clear up have discovered Roy Robert Dodd was Born Walters. so still trying to understand why he decided to take his grandparents last name.
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Is there any way you could summarise what you know about the two sisters you are looking for. I doubt anyone new to your research is going to plough through all the pages trying to work out what is relevant. If you are not prepared to name them, the assumption is that they are still alive, and as you have not named them it makes it difficult for someone new to look for them.
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The sisters names are Phyllis Walters and Audrey Walters -
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Chempat, you’ll find the names here: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/245563470
Audrey is deceased, but no surname given. She may have married.
The other sister is alive and I think her surname makes the task difficult to pin her down.
Kandi, you have been informed previously that you cannot post the names of those who may be living.
Do remove the name of the sister who is not proven deceased.
Jamjar
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A possible death for Audrey?
Audrey Dodds
NSW reg 7946 / 1931
North Sydney
Parents James M & Mary E
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Deleted.
Jamjar
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As suggested, this is a very rough summary of the findings of the thread.
Really just the bare bones of it :D
Roy Robt Walters born 1895 at Port Melbourne,
Father Edwd Walters, Mother Charl Phyllis Roberts.
1918 he married during WW1 in UK to Phyllis Queenie Wilson using his birth name.
Despite documented intentions, never brought her to Aust.
In 1922 Was sought in Qld for unstated reasons under names James Marcus Dodds, James Marcus Roberts, James Marcus Walters.
In 1923 he was listed as a missing person named Roy Robert Walters in Freshwater (either NSW or QLD) Sought by Eileen Walters, her identity unclear.
In 1927 he married to Mary Elizabeth WHITE using the name John Moris DODD.
The following years to 1949 him enlist in the WW2 forces, and see him located as living sometimes with his wife and sometimes elsewhere. She maintained the surname DODD, and settled in Tasmania.
There were 4 children who were surnamed DODD. Certainly one of these Bruce DODD is deceased 1993. The names which OP is seeking are two daughters.
Roy died in 1954. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/245563470
Sue
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I know this reply is coming well over a year late so apologies for reviving a dead thread. I wanted to confirm that the sister mentioned (Phyllis Louisa Dodd or Walters) is deceased.
The 1954 death notice of her father, Roy Robert Walters (alias James Marcus John Moris Dodds), refers to Phyllis as Mrs Jones: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/245563470?searchTerm=%22Roy%20Robert%22%20Walters.
In 1949, Phyllis Louisa was living at Charles St, Launceston with her husband George Robert William Jones (and later at other addresses in Launceston). This is the same address as Phyllis' mother, Mary Elizabeth.
Phyllis (d 1980) is buried with her husband George (d 1990) at Car Villa Cemetery in Launceston. See, respectively, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/212880136/phyllis-louisa-jones and https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/212879683/george-robert_william-jones.
Hope this helps.
Sarah
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Yes it does Sarah thankyou and also thankyou to everyone else