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Hi i am wondering if anyone might have some info on John Weir Cameron his parents were Archibald Cameron and Sarah Weir. I have no idea where he was born and it took me the best part of ten years to find his place of death. The only info I have is his marriage certificate his spouse being Jane Hossick of Stevenston Ayrshire. The date being 26 April 1864 in Glasgow. I would be grateful for any help regarding this person. Thanks.
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You haven’t given any indication as to his age - do you not have an indication of age, and therefore approximate birthdate, from the marriage and/or death? Where and when was John’s death?
Did the couple stay in Scotland? If so have you looked for them in the censuses?
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Hi John Weir Cameron don't know where he was born he was aged 28 on marriage cert. He was a Merchant Seaman. He died in Cleveland Ohio USA in 1881 aged 54. Thanks
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Could you please give all of the information from his marriage certificate
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The only info I have is his marriage certificate his spouse being Jane Hossick of Stevenston Ayrshire. The date being 26 April 1864 in Glasgow.
Hi John Weir Cameron don't know where he was born he was aged 28 on marriage cert. He was a Merchant Seaman. He died in Cleveland Ohio USA in 1881 aged 54. Thanks
He was 28 in 1864 (bn c1836)
He was 54 in 1881 (bn c1827)
Bit of a difference in his approx year of birth
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No further information about him:
John W. Cameron
Death Date: 1881
Cemetery: Woodland Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Cleveland, Cuyahoga County (Cuyahoga), Ohio, United States of America
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So far this is the only John Weir Cameron I can see:
Scotlandspeople births
John Weir Cameron parents David Cameron/Janet McPherson
15/03/1841 Barony
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Sorry nothing extra but his interment record is here, burial
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01oon/
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Oddly, an online tree has John Weir Cameron and Jane Hossick or Hosie as the parents of a Janet Reid Cameron born 17 Dec 1882 Saltcoats, Ayrshire - obviously he could not have fathered this child if he died in August 1881.
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Is there an address on the certificate?
I don't know if this anything, but there is a small announcement in the Ardrossan and Saltcoats Herald 07 May 1864 of a marriage at 10 Robertson Street, Glasgow, on the 26th ult. by the Rev. Mr. Weir, John Cameron, seaman, to a Jane Hosie, youngest daughter of Mr. Joseph Hosie, Saltcoats
I couldn't see a marriage to match Jane Hosie and I thought better to note it and be wrong than not mention it at all.
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The Janet Reid Cameron is possibly this person in 1901
Alexander Warnock 29 Ardrossan Ayrshire
Jeanie Warnock 28 Younkers, U S America
William Warnock 1
Janet Cameron 18 Saltcoats, Ayrshire sister-in-law
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This looks like the family in 1881
Jane Cameron 39 Saltcoats Seamans Wife
Elizabeth Cameron 14 Glasgow
Jeanie Cameron 8 America British Subject
Ann Cameron 6 Glasgow
Archibald Cameron 3 Glasgow
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1891 census living in Kilwinning
Jane Cameron 50 nurse Stevenston
Ann Cameron 16 Glasgow
Archibald Cameron 13 Glasgow
Janet Cameron 9 Stevenson
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There is a tree here with the childrens full names, Jane as Hossick/Hosie
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/9QQK-JR7
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There is this possible baptism in America
Jeannie Hosea Cameron born 5th February 1873
Baptised 2nd April 1873 at Dobbs Ferry, New York, USA
Church:South Presbyterian Church
Parents John and Jane Cameron
Hosea as in Hosie??
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This is Sarah, born November 1st 1870 in Dobbs Ferry, parents John and Jane, baptised March 23 1871.
Cannot see any other obvious children there.
Probably they missed the 1870 American census and the 1871 British census?
Added:
No, apparently the poster has them in a census (1870) in USA before births.
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Having a guess at this passenger list, Jane and Elizabeth Cameron, son John had died by this time
New York passenger lists
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPV-ZJ9M
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There is a tree here with the childrens full names, Jane as Hossick/Hosie
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/9QQK-JR7
I would like to thank you very much for the information you have given me concerning John Weir Cameron. He was married to Janet Reid Hosie she is buried in Largs in Ayrshire. I have some info on the Hosies but not the father who was Joseph Hossick. Apparently their name was Hossick but got shortened to Hosie I have not got a clue why. I have been looking for John Weir Cameron birth for ages and as I said the only info I have is from his marriage certificate. He was residing at the time in the Broomielaw Glasgow at the Seaman's hostel which was demolished c 1969 how they met I don't know but after their son John died they went to America and had two children over there then came back to Glasgow. I did find them on a census in New York. But not the birth dates of the two children. Anyway can't thank you enough for delving into my question Thank you.
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1891 census living in Kilwinning
Jane Cameron 50 nurse Stevenston
Ann Cameron 16 Glasgow
Archibald Cameron 13 Glasgow
Janet Cameron 9 Stevenson
Just to say a huge thank you for the info on John Cameron children Especially the two born in America I never thought I would find out when they were born. I had found the family in a Census before any of the 2 children were born they only had Elizabeth at this time. They had a son John who died and then they went to America had two and came back to Glasgow ad then Ayrshire. I have some info on them but could not find anything on John Weir Cameron even though I has the parents names wither he ran away and joined the Merchant Navy I couldn't say or even if the parents are real people. I have no family to ask about them as the only one who may have known anything developed Dementia before I started looking into the family. Well again thank you very much for the info I shall add it to the tree. I would be grateful if at anytime you come across anymore info you would keep me in mind. Thank you again.
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You have put this
'He died in Cleveland Ohio USA in 1881 aged 54. '
This would mean that he did not come back with his family, surely.
Why would he be in Ohio, when the births of his children were in New York?
If he was lost at sea, some time between 1881 and 1891 census, and the death was recorded under the name John Cameron, or if the body was not found...
Could you say who were his parents on his marriage certificate, his mother's maiden name, etc etc?
What is the extra information when he 'ran away and joined the merchant navy'? Why should his parents be invented?
We would like this information to help us to find the family.
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Please can you give details of the census in which you found them in New York - presumably in 1870?
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United States Census 1870
Jane Cameron
Female
27 years old
White
Birth 1842 - 1843
Scotland
Household
Catherine Duffy 35 Ireland
Richard Duffy. 6. Ireland
Kate Duffy. 5 Ireland
John Cameron. 34. Scotland
Jane Cameron. 27. Scotland
Elizabeth Cameron. 3. Scotland
Also foubd this in my notes a census record from 1841
John Cameron. 15. Inverness shire. Originally Argyllshire
Sarah Cameron 50 Inverness shire
Mary Cameron 90. Invernessshire
Place Ardnamurchan Argyllshire
Address. Ardsliguish
This may be his mother and grandmother I found this while looking for the Census record of 1870 in America and I haven't looked in this book for a long while. This may be the reason he left and went to sea. If his father was dead and he was left to carry on the farm as it said he was an Ag Lab.
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That 1870 census gives his age as 34, so born in 1835/1836, which fits with his age of 28 at marriage in 1864.
(Ancestry has them transcribed as Canaeron)
It does not fit with that 1841 census, unfortunately.
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Does he actually name himself as John Weir Cameron on that marriage certificate, or anywhere else, or is he John Cameron, and his mother's maiden name was Weir but is not used by John?
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An outside bet.
There are 56 references for seamen with the name John Cameron in the online 1881 Crew Agreements database.
https://www.mun.ca/mha/1881/crews1881.php
Be aware that merchant seamen regularly lied about their age.
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Does he actually name himself as John Weir Cameron on that marriage certificate, or anywhere else, or is he John Cameron, and his mother's maiden name was Weir but is not used by John?
Haven't looked at it for a while so got the certificate out and read it and no he doesn't actually name himself as John Weir Cameron but John Cameron. But I have seen it written as John Weir Cameron but if he used it himself I don't know.
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Haven't looked at it for a while so got the certificate out and read it and no he doesn't actually name himself as John Weir Cameron but John Cameron. But I have seen it written as John Weir Cameron but if he used it himself I don't know.
Where have you seen it written as John Weir Cameron?
Have you managed to find a marriage between Sarah Weir and Archibald Cameron?
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Just realised Sarah Cameron was missing
1881 with Elizabeth Hosey as grandaughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM2H-C4J
Newell connected to Hosie I think
Joseph Hosick married Elizabeth Newal 17 May 1821 Cathcart,Renfrew,Scotland
1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYBS-CZR
1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VYZS-Q8S
don't know where Miller fits in
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1861 as Horse
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBWC-3FT
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No I don't have any marriage details for those two. I would need to have a look in some of my notebooks to answer that one but I have seen it in some docs like birth certs but as I said I would have to have a look.
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Hi
There is another couple of the same names married 1 April 1821 in Glasgow it is this couple I went with. The name Miller comes from Joseph Hossicks parents which were David Hossick and Jeanie Miller of which I know nothing of them. John Cameron named one of his daughters Jeanie Hosie Miller Cameron she married an Alexander Warnock. The 2 names in the 1851 Census James Keenan a sailor married Elizabeth Hosie and the other John Waters married Ann Hosie. I don't know if Ann Newel is related to them or not. Hope this helps. Thanks again.