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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Jeffrey on Saturday 30 November 19 09:39 GMT (UK)
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I am researching my husbands Ancestor Herman Minster or Munster born around 1779 in Fulda Germany.
He joined the 20th Dragoons during the Napoleonic Wars and we have traced him, by his army records, to his death on 2nd March 1846 at Gort Galway Ireland.
Can anyone tell me if there are any burial records for Gort around that period. Where would they be and is there access to them? Is there an 1841 Census for that area?
This is another post trying to find his Baptism in Germany.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=822015.new;topicseen#new
Any help gratefully received.
Judy
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I am unable to find anything about his wife Barbara, His son Robert baptised1806 Maidstone or daughter Charlotte baptised Limerick 1817.
Does anyone know if there are any records for this area around the 1840's/1850's?
Thank you.
Judy
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What denomination was Herman ?
Catholic churches often did not keep burial records, do difficult to find where burials took place. There might be church of of Ireland burials, but it doesnt look like RootsIreland records for the parish go back far enough.
most of the 1841 census does not survive, none for any parts of Co. Galway that I see
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Charlotte was baptised in St. Marys Church of Ireland in the city of Limerick. Church of Ireland baptisms didnt include mother's surname
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Thank you for the replies. I don't know what denomination he was.
I am having great difficulties with the Irish records but it looks like I am because there aren't any.
I have Charlotte's Baptism but then nothing. :'(
Their other daughter, Elizabeth, was baptised Palermo, Sicily in 1813. She had children to her 'husband' Kingston Bedford starting in 1834 at Chesham Buckinghamshire. I can only take a guess how she got there - maybe in service ??? We also can't find a marriage. She died in Chesham in 1857 after having 14 children.
Judy
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since he was in the army the marriage could have been anywhere Herman served, I would think finding that would be the best bet for establishing Barbara's surname.
There may be no family connection to Gort, there was a cavalry barracks in the town so it could just have been somewhere Herman was based at the time he left the army ?
It's not looking good for Kilmacduagh/Gort church of Ireland records, so the only other option might be if someone put up a headstone for him
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Thanks again for replying. Always good to have different points of view.
Have got a marriage in Maidstone Kent 12th Nov 1806 to Barbara Aberdein. He was based there at the time.
However I can't find out anything about her either. Son Robert born in December 1806.
He is from Fulda Germany. He was discharged from the Army in 1818 in Galway. His Army pension says he died at Gort 1846.
Judy
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from the details I saw the 20th Dragoons were disbanded in 1818
Here are a few Munster entries in the Tithe records of agricultural property 1830s, but no Herman, and he just missed Griffith's valuation which might have shown where he lived.
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I am wondering what he was doing in Gort.
His discharge papers show that he was given marching money to take his family from Cahir Barracks to Dublin in 1818. By 1845 his pension was being paid at Ennis. What took him there?
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The last 2 Musters he had from September to December 1818 he was based at Gort. Then it says on the page "Regiment Disbanded".
I knew about him being given marching money from when I went to the Archives at Kew in 2009 but for some reason my photos of his discharge papers giving him money have has disappeared. I would like to see that bit again did you get the information from a website that he was given money?
Thank you.
I have looked up Cahir - and found it is in the County of Tipperary in the province of MUNSTER. This is interesting because Herman Minster was originally called MUNSTER when he joined the Dragoons in 1806. But he was from Germany.
Judy
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The marching money is detailed on the back of his one-page discharge record. Viewable on FindMyPast and Fold 3.
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Thanks Shaun.
I don't know how I missed that one. Good to have other people looking too.
So I made 2 mistakes there - one not looking at the next page on Findmypast & it is still annoying me that I have mislaid or deleted the photo I took originally.
But just shows it's good to review things occasionally and 'new eyes' turn something else up.
Here's still hoping I can find more about him and his family.
I wonder if there are Army Pension books which list the amount he got each month/quarter and where it was collected or sent? I wonder how it was paid to them in those days.
Really appreciating everyone's efforts on this.
Judy
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His pension was paid at Ennis.
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Do you know if he would have had to go and collect it or how else did he receive it?
Another thought on why he died at Gort is that when he was discharged from the Army, being from Germany, he really had no base to go back to in the UK. I wonder if his wife's family were in the army too and she travelled around as I can't find any thing about her either. That being the case there may be no incentive to move anywhere else. But this of course is just supposition.
Judy
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there is a few mentioned on find my past
http://www.findmypast.co.uk
a Herman Munster married a Ennecken Bottermans in Gotterswickerhamm in 1764 might be his mum and dad
other births on this site.
can be von Hermanus
or van
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Thank you. I wonder how I could check if they had a child Herman.
Judy