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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Wodgemac on Monday 02 December 19 20:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm researching a Megan McDonald who was born 25/12/1915 (I think).
She married William Williams and they lived in Menai Bridge.
They had a son William Wynne Williams born in 1937
She died in 2004.
I'm trying to discover her parents or anything else about her, but I'm having trouble. I don't even know if she was born in Wales...
Could anybody give me any more information or point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks
Richard
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If son is still alive - please remove his name from your post as Rootschat has a strict no living persons policy
Buying a copy of the marriage cert will give her fathers name.
Have you tried looking for a birth on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. If she was born 25/12 it’s likely her birth would not be registered until 1916
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No, her son died in 1974.
Not sure when or where they got married either...
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You may be a year out with her birth - possibly Christmas 1914 rather than 1915.
See www.freebmd.org.uk - March qtr 1915 b Carnarvon - mothers maiden name Williams
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There is a birth for Megan McDonald mmn Williams Q1 1915 Carnarfon
Volume 11B
Page 741
There appears to be another son still living in the right area 2011
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Birth already found - see earlier reply
Buying a copy of that birth cert will give her parents names
Megan’s marriage was 1936 but is shown on freebmd as MacDonald - in Carnarvon
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Outside possibility - marriage in Caernarvon, March Q 1915
Richard McDonald and Mary B Williams
Gadget
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According to their birth registrations:
William Wynne Williams was the son of William Williams and Megan McDonald born 29 Nov 1937, Llanidan and
Megan McDonald was the daughter of Richard McDonald and Mary Blodwen Williams born 25 Dec 1914, also Llanidan.
A Mary Blodwen Williams, daughter of Owen Williams & Margaret Jones was born 24 Jan 1896, Llanidan.
Llanidan is an Anglesey parish which is included in Carnarvon Registration District.
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Outside possibility - marriage in Caernarvon, March Q 1915
Richard McDonald and Mary B Williams
Gadget
Ties in with DragonT's info.
This was a civil marriage (North Wales BMD) so you'll need to get the marriage certificate to get full details.
Gadget
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Thank you everyone for your speedy assistance, I'll add that to my tree and see if I can get any further down the line with that part of the tree.
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I think this might be Richard Mcdonald's death registration. The birth date seems to fit:
Richard McDonald, Q3 1984, Ynys Mon V 25 P 652
Date of Birth - 3 May 1893
Also:
1901 RG13/5298/42/3
Boston Terrace, Rhoscolyn, Holyhead
Maggie McDonald, married, 37, b. Pwllheli
Mary, 12
Donald, 10
Richard, 8
Murdoch, 5
All children b. Pwllheli. Son's names (Donald and Murdoch) suggest a Scottish link
in 1891, Maggie/Margaret is with parents, Richard and Mary Morgan, in Denio, Pwllheli
RG12/4651/89/27
Marriage - Llanbedrog 17 August 1886
Donald McDonald, full age, Groom, father - John McDonald, Tailor
Margaret Morgan, full age, father - Richard Morgan, Tailor
Gadget
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None of the records that I've looked at for the family after 1886, show Donald McDonald with the family.
A possible death for Donald McDonald:
Q3, 1920 Bangor
Aged 63.
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Wow, Thank you for that Gadget.
There's another family tree on ancestry which all your info ties into...
Don't suppose you could help with Megans husband William Williams, could you please. Born 21/01/1909 not sure where, but he was living in Aethwy in the 1939 register
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I'll see if I can find anything in the next hour but, if not, I won't be able to do much until late tomorrow.
I'm sure others might help as well :)
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget, I really appreciate it.
Found Donald McDonald living as a servant in Pwllheli in the 1891 census (I think it's him anyway)
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This is possible
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7J3-WTG
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A bit of luck - there is a William Williams born 21 Jan 1909 at Llangeinwen, Anglesey, the son of Ebenezer Williams and his wife Ellen Parry.
In the 1911 census he is their only child. His parents were married J,A,S 1908 Carnarvon 11b 683, a civil marriage.
Ebenezer Williams, born 30 Nov 1885 at Llangeinwen, was the son of William Williams and Catherine Morris. Ellen Parry may not be so easy to find, I'll try tomorrow.
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That looks more like him DT :)
Donald McDonald in 1901 with eldest son John
Llanfaes, Anglesey
RG13/5277/14/18
Donald McDonald. 45, Coachman (Domestic), b. Scotland
John, son, 14, Pony Boy, b. Pwllheli
Gadget
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This looks like Ellen Parry in 1901 with her parents in Llanidan
RG13/5275/68/9
Barnett Parry, 55, stone mason, b. Abergele
Ann, 42, b. Anglesey
John, 18
Thomas, 16
Ellen, 13
Henry, 12
Owen, 7
Sarah, 4
All children born Llanidan
In 1891, the family (exc Barnett) are at RG12/4662/76/10. Ann born Cemmaes.
Gadget
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In 1871, Barnett is in Abergele with mother, Sarah, and siblings
RG10/5671/47/6
and in 1861, as Barnard, with parents John and Sarah in Abergele
RG09/4299/32/67
Gadget
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This looks like Ellen Parry in 1901 with her parents in Llanidan
RG13/5275/68/9
Barnett Parry, 55, stone mason, b. Abergele
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Ellen, 13
...born Llanidan
Agreed - Ellen daughter of Barnet Parry and Ann Owen, born 23 Apr 1887 at Llanidan. Although in the 1939 register Ellen Williams, wife of Ebenezer Williams, has d.o.b. 4 Dec 1887 - and Ebenezer Williams has d.o.b. 30 Oct 1886, not 30 Nov 1885. But his death registration, as Ebenezer Morris Williams, Ynys Mon, 25, 0723, A,M,J 1974 agrees with 30 Nov 1885. (Why are so many dates of birth on the 1939 register apparently incorrect?)
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Hi,
Just wanted to let you know that my grandfathers sister (Margaret Jane Williams) married Thomas Parry (son of Barnett Parry - a stonemason) on 30 June 1911 at Llanidan. At the time Thomas was 31, a widower, occupation Game Keeper - he lived at Porthamel Lodge. Margaret was 37 a spinster - as far as I am currently aware, they had no children.
Margaret died 29 December1950 at Glantreath Bach, Trefdraeth, Llanidan and I believe Thomas died in 1952.
I have not investigated Thomas Parry's earlier marriage.
Alan
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Hi,
Just realised that I also have information on Thomas Parry's first wife.
She was Jane Williams born in 1873, married in 1902 (Caernarvon) and died 16 December 1908 in Llanidan. A daughter Jane Parry was born and died the same day, so probably Jane died in childbirth.
Alan
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Hi,
Just a further update -
Thomas Parry is buried in plot A065 at Saint Nidan Church, Llanidan with his first wife Jane. He died age 83 in 1967.
Alan
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Wow,
Thanks again Gadget and Alan. I'll put all that into my tree.
Its my partners side of the family. She has Parry on her fathers side, who I'm struggling with too...
Cheers
Richard
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If it's any consolation, I can't get back any further than late 1700s with my Parrys, either.
They're Denbighshire ones though!
Gadget
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That's great...
I'm stuck at 1902, Henry Percival Parry!!!
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That's great...
I'm stuck at 1902, Henry Percival Parry!!!
Is this a different family from Ellen's?
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No, Ellen is on her maternal side. Henry Percival Parry is her Paternal side.
Her dad and Taid died early, so she has no resources to tap into to research that side, really.
Henry was born in 1902 in Caernarvonshire (I think).
He married Ellen Catherine Evans in 1923 at Bangor.
They were living in Ogwen in Caernarvonshire in 1939 with Henry working as a rockman.
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I have a baptism that looks like him from other sources.
Llandygai
Bapt - 31 May 1904
Henry Parry
Parents - Percival and Catherine Ellen Parry of Chwarel goch. Percival was a quarryman
Gadget
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More details here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7VV-9PW
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Henry's father, Percival, with family in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:45QY-GZM
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Fresh back from the tip (recycling centre) ;D
Henry's parents' marriage ~
Percival Henry Parry married Catherine Ellen Hughes, Bangor 1904, Q1, Vol 11b, P 579
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Henry Parry, b. circa 1825 in 1851 census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVG-6Z3
So you have
John Parry (c. 1791) - did not marry
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Henry Parry( c. 1825) m Anne Jones (c 1834)
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Percival Henry Parry ( c. 1878) m Catherine Ellen Hughes (c. 1886)
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Henry Percival - 3 May 1904
Gadget
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I forgot this -
Birth Reg of Percival Henry Parry
Bangor, 1878, June Q, V 11b. p 559
mmn - Jones
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That's awesome, thanks Gadget, where do you get all your info from? Or is it a trade secret??
And your knowledge?
Just to clarify though, John Parry c1791 did not marry, but he had a son Henry parry c1825? I see he's living with his sister in the 1851 census you sent a link to. Is there a chance he was widowed??
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Just to clarify though, John Parry c1791 did not marry, but he had a son Henry parry c1825? I see he's living with his sister in the 1851 census you sent a link to. Is there a chance he was widowed??
It says he was unmarried on both of the Family Search census transcriptions that I looked at. I'll see if I can find the images.
Family search is good for censuses. Other records are a mixture - Family Search/GRO/Free BMD and local records e.g North Wales BMD
Gadget
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Unmarried (U) on both censuses - see 1851 snip below.
I'll also check for Henry (1825)'s baptism
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Nothing showing for a baptism. He could be under his mother's surname or a non-conformist baptism.
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Yeah, I seen John on the 1861 census and he is unmarried on that too...
Could Henry have been adopted?
Don't suppose you have anything on Henry Percival's wife? Ellen Catherine Evans born 1902 do you??
I searched her, but there's a few to choose from. i'm never sure which one to go with
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DragonT might have more local info.
It's unlikely that it would be an adoption - either his illegitimate son or a possible son of another member of the family. It's difficult to say for certain. Wills might help but he died after 1858 so might not be on the Welsh Wills site.
It might be worth looking for Catherine on the 1911 census on Family Search:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1921547
I'll have another look later.
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The most likely birth registration~
Ellen Evans, Bangor, 1902, Q2* v 11b p 369
mmn Williams
* April/May/June
Gadget
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Ellen Parry's death reg:
Q1, 1997, Bangor
Birth date - 12 may 1902
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Yeah, that could be her.
She has her birthday as 13th May and her death as 1995, but she wasn't 100%
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I think, maybe, you might have to buy Ellen's birth certificate to get any further. It's possible that her father was William Evans and mother was Maggie Williams but I can't be sure.
Gadget
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North Wales BMD show that Henry and Ellen married at St Anne's, Llandegai but these records are not online so you'll have to either buy a copy of the cert via the GRO or get to the Gwynedd records office/Nat Library to view records there.
This cert should show you the name and occupation of Ellen's father.
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,
I'll get a copy of the certificates.
Or next time I'm over there, I might call into the library.
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Hi Gadget,
I have a copy of Ellen and Henry's marriage certificate from 1923. It show's Ellens father as William, a labourer. She was living in Coed Y Parc at the time. Does this tie in with your assumption her parents were William and Margaret?
There is a Margaret and William in the 1911 census with a daughter Ellen, but she's down as being born in 1905.
I have seen another Ellen, born 1902 living with her grandparents.
One of the witness's for their wedding was a William Baden Powell Evans!!!