RootsChat.Com

Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Census Lookup and Resource Requests => Topic started by: CarpeDiem on Wednesday 04 December 19 12:53 GMT (UK)

Title: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: CarpeDiem on Wednesday 04 December 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

I originally asked for a look up BUT I now have a conundrum .  Catherine Bate (Nee Harrison) died Crossley Street (no number) January 1861 - I cannot find her Husband Thomas or her 2 older sons Henry and Thomas anywhere on the census.  The youngest child Peter is with his grandparents on Pinners Brow.  However on Crossley Street is a Thomas Whittaker - widower, right age, occupation and place of birth - with 3 sons all right names and ages  Henry, Thomas and Peter BUT why on earth is the name Whittaker - any ideas ?
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:02 GMT (UK)
Can you give date & places of birth of her husband and sons, plus Thomas' occupation.

There's this Bate family

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
12, Crossley Street, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire
Ellen   Bate   Head   Widow      1802   Laundress   Wales
William T   Bate   Grandson      1859   Warrington, Lancashire

EDIT - reference number RG09 Piece number   2793 Folio   87 Page   16
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:04 GMT (UK)
Any relation to your Bate family?

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
3, Crossley Street, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire

Richard   Bate   Head      1834   Railway Bricks Man   Appleton, Cheshire
Ann   Bate   Wife               1837   Fustian Cutter   Warrington, Lancashire
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:17 GMT (UK)
Duplicate post https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=822369.new#new
Stan
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:23 GMT (UK)
For anyone else looking here's the 1861 census with surname WHITTAKER - certainly appears to be same family

Piece:   2793 Folio:   89 Page Number:   20
4 B.K Crossley Street
Thomas Whittaker   46 Widow Fustion Cutter
Henry Whittaker   10
Thomas Whittaker   8
Peter Whittaker   5
all born Warrington
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:28 GMT (UK)
The GRO index has no Henry Whittaker registered  1850 +/- 2years, but there are two Henry Bate, mother Harrison
BATE, HENRY       HARRISON 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 20  Page 888
BATE, HENRY       HARRISON 
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in WARRINGTON  Volume 20  Page 996

Stan
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:32 GMT (UK)
for info. 1871 census Piece:   3907 Folio:   55 Page Number:   12
Pinners Brow
Henry Harrison   63
Elizabeth Harrison   63
James Harrison   29
Ann Harrison   18
Alice Alford   31 Dau
William Alford   1 Grandson
Henry Bate   19 grandson
Peter Bate   15 grandson

EDIT

on 1881 census at 56 Pinners Brow
Peter  is dittoed as nephew of Henry & Elizabeth   :-\

Piece:   3797 Folio:   92 Page Number:   12

Henry Harrison   73
Elizabeth Harrison   73
Alice Leigh   66
Joseph Orford   46
William Orford   11
Peter Bate   25 Warrington
Alice Golding   21
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 04 December 19 13:50 GMT (UK)
Is this father Thomas' death entry?

Thomas BATE age 52
Death quarter   2
Death year   1867 Warrington Lancashire   Volume   8C Page   118
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: CarpeDiem on Wednesday 04 December 19 21:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you all so much for your responses - really appreciated - Carrol
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: CarpeDiem on Thursday 05 December 19 12:04 GMT (UK)
Had a thought - does anyone think the Whittaker may be the moderator mis-heard Widower ?  probably me grasping at straws here
Title: Re: 1861 Crossley St Warrington
Post by: stanmapstone on Thursday 05 December 19 12:18 GMT (UK)
 It is a common myth that a census enumerator knocked on doors and asked who was present, and then wrote down the details, often miss-hearing, or miss-spelling. When the enumerator collected the schedules all he had to do was to to examine the schedule in order to satisfy himself that it had been correctly and completely filled up.

Stan