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Title: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 03 January 20 13:57 GMT (UK)
My fiance's grandfather was Gilbert Wilson from Hull, he married Edna Glenville in 1945 (in Hull) who had previously been married to John Dore. They had a son named Glen. Nothing is known about Gilbert, who is believed to have been in the SAS. I have found a 1918 birth entry with mums maiden name Mawson that maybe him in Sculcoates (the birth year taken from probable death entry), I have ordered marriage cert today so obviously not received it yet. I just can't find any record of him and nobody else seems to be researching this Wilson side. Would World War 1 /SAS records exist? I have an Ancestry sub but not the international one. Thankyou.
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 03 January 20 14:03 GMT (UK)
If Gilbert was already in the Forces in 1939, then he will not appear on the Register.

Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 03 January 20 14:07 GMT (UK)
Ok thank you.
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 03 January 20 14:11 GMT (UK)
I have found a 1918 birth entry with mums maiden name Mawson that maybe him in Sculcoates (the birth year taken from probable death entry),

Gilbert Wilson b 6 Sep 1918 died aged 76 Jul 1995, death registered in Hull RD
Register Number:   D46A, District and Subdistrict: 5502D, entry 223


His marriage certificate will be of help, hopefully giving his father's name & occupation and maybe the witnesses were family members

FreeBMD has two other male WILSON/MAWSON births registered in Sculcoates 1923 & 1924

Have you looked on FreeBMD for a possible Wilson/Mawson marriage?

https://www.freebmd.org.uk
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: rebekahm28 on Friday 03 January 20 14:15 GMT (UK)
Yes, cant find a suitable Mawson/Wilson marriage. Did see the Leslie and Stanley Wilson births that I've kept as possibles. Thankyou.
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 03 January 20 14:27 GMT (UK)
If he was named after his father - there is this entry

Gilbert Wilson marriage registered Jun qtr 1918, Sculcoates RD
Spouse:   Gertrude Galleway
Volume 9d, p 252


There's this death maybe their son - not checked out mmn

Gilbert Wilson b 25 Apr 1924 d aged 73 Jun 1997, registered Newcastle upon Tyne RD
Register Number:   A61C, District and Subdistrict: 0531A, entry 138

Just in case it's relevant I'm sending you a personal message as can't post details here

Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Dundee on Friday 03 January 20 14:34 GMT (UK)
Gertrude may have been firstly married to George David GALLOWAY in 1904.

Debra  :D
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 03 January 20 14:38 GMT (UK)
Gilbert's 1918 marriage was at St Andrew, Drypool - unfortunately FindMyPast marriages only go to 1917.
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: medpat on Friday 03 January 20 14:46 GMT (UK)
My parents marriage is on FindMyPast and they didn't meet until after WW2, why do you think marriage info stops at 1917?
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 03 January 20 16:16 GMT (UK)
Sorry for the misunderstanding - FindMyPast images for marriages at St Andrew, Drypool cease at 1917  :-[  :-[ :-[  I obtained the venue from YorkshireBMD.

But you have reminded me to look for Gertrude Mawson marriage  ;) ;) ;)

21 May 1904 - St Ndrew, Drypool - image available at FindMyPast

George David Galloway, 19, bachelor, Warehouseman.  Father:  John, Labourer
Gertrude Mawson, 18, spinster.  Father:  Richard, Bill Distributor

And I think this is George David Galloway's death in 1916

17 July 1916 - at home (Hull) - of wounds.  12256 East Yorkshire Regiment, 7th Battalion.  His service record is on Ancestry.  "At Home" is not quite true, he died of gunshot wounds at Wharncliffe War Hospital, Sheffield.


Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: BumbleB on Friday 03 January 20 16:51 GMT (UK)
George appears on the Wharncliffe War Hospital Roll of Honour

http://www.wharncliffewarhospital.co.uk/Wharncliffe4.html

And this:

http://www.wharncliffewarhospital.co.uk/Men/G/Galloway_G.html

Oops, sorry!  I got a bit carried away with Mr Galloway  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 03 January 20 18:49 GMT (UK)

There's this death maybe their son - not checked out mmn

Gilbert Wilson b 25 Apr 1924 d aged 73 Jun 1997, registered Newcastle upon Tyne RD
Register Number:   A61C, District and Subdistrict: 0531A, entry 138


This Gilbert appears to have mmn TELFORD
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 03 January 20 19:03 GMT (UK)
Gertrude may have been firstly married to George David GALLOWAY in 1904.


Good spot  :)

from Pension record cards
Gertrude Galloway b 3 Nov 1884, residing in Hull, widow of George D. Galloway   
with children:
George David Galloway 20 Sep 1904
William Galloway 22 Jan 1907
Albert Galloway 10 Dec 1909
Harold Galloway 28 Mar 1913

Have checked GRO indexes and all above births registered in Sculcoates mmn MAWSON

Here’s Gertrude’s baptism confirming her dob as above

Gertrude MAWSON b 3 Nov 1884, bapt 26 Nov 1884 St. John's, Hull
daughter of Richard Henry & Harriet Mawson

Gertrude on  census with parents siblings
Piece:   4485 Folio:   69 Page Number: 58

Richard H Mawson   46
Harriet Mawson   43
Ethel Mawson   17
Gertrude Mawson   16
Albert V Mawson   14
Alice Mawson   11
Richard H Mawson   9
Harold Mawson   5
All born Hull apart from father Richard born Leeds

Have sent a pm with details of Wilson/Mawson & Galloway together so you can check details - Gertrude’s dob matches above

Possible death of husband Gilbert Wilson

Gilbert Wilson  d aged 48 in Jun 1936, Sculcoates RD
Volume:   9d Page:   128

Possible birth GRO indexes mmn DOWSEY

Gilbert Wilson
Registration Dec  1887  Sculcoates Volume:   9d Page:   172

Possible census for Gilbert

1901 Census
65, Balfour Street, Kingston upon Hull, Sculcoates,
Bennett Wilson Head Ships Plater b Hull, Yorkshire
Jane   Wilson Wife   b Hull, Yorkshire
Robert Wilson Son Ship's Plater b Hull, Yorkshire
Albert Wilson Son   Ship's Plater Assistant b Hull, Yorkshire
Bennett Wilson Son Ship's Plater Assistant bHull, Yorkshire
Gilbert Wilson Son Ship's Plater Assistant b Hull, Yorkshire
Alfred Wilson Son b Hull, Yorkshire
Janet   Wilson Daughter b Hull, Yorkshire
Maud   Wilson Daughter b Hull, Yorkshire

Possible marriage entry of parents

Bennett Robert Wilson m Sarah Jane Dowsey Jun qtr 1879 Sculcoates RD
Volume:   9d Page:   258

Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 03 January 20 19:51 GMT (UK)
England & Wales, Electoral Registers 1920-1932

1926 ER
Gilbert WILSON
Gertrude WILSON
George David GALLOWAY
address 7 Marion’s Crescent Sculcoates
William Galloway is with them 1930

Gilbert & Gertrude are living at that address 1923

Year 1927
Harriet MAWSON
Albert MAWSON
George David GALLOWAY
address 6 Napoleon Terrace Sculcoates
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: rebekahm28 on Saturday 04 January 20 17:20 GMT (UK)
SORTED thankyou!! Im busy for the rest of the day  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Can't find Gilbert Wilson on 1939 census :(
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 04 January 20 17:22 GMT (UK)
SORTED thankyou!! Im busy for the rest of the day  ;D  ;D

You are welcome - good luck  :)