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Title: are all burials recorded
Post by: bigjon on Monday 20 January 20 22:02 GMT (UK)
Hi my grandmother Martha Bennett died in Greet House in Southwell, Notts. on 20 Dec 1944.
This what used to be the Workhouse.
Ican not find where she was buried.---- is there definitely a record of all burials ?

      bigjon
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: philipsearching on Tuesday 21 January 20 14:45 GMT (UK)
Every burial is recorded in the register of the cemetery or graveyard.

If no evidence of a burial can be found, the possibilities would include:
Burial away from the area of the death (or in a local cemetery you haven't found yet)
Burial records missing (due to fire, flood, bombing etc.)
Cremation (but all crematoria keep records)
Lack of sufficient remains (lost at sea, missing in war, died in explosion etc.)
Body donated for research.

Obviously, some of the above would not apply to your grandmother.

Philip
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: medpat on Tuesday 21 January 20 15:04 GMT (UK)
What was Greet House by 1944? It was no longer a workhouse - could it have been a hospital?

Where was she in the 1939 register, that may give you the area she was buried in.
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: Rattus on Tuesday 21 January 20 17:06 GMT (UK)
What was Greet House by 1944? It was no longer a workhouse - could it have been a hospital?

Yes. Scroll down for timeline:

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-workhouse-southwell/features/the-history-of-firbeck-at-the-workhouse
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: medpat on Tuesday 21 January 20 17:49 GMT (UK)
Wondered if it could be an isolation hospital. The death cert. would say why she died.
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: groom on Tuesday 21 January 20 19:32 GMT (UK)
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Ican not find where she was buried.---- is there definitely a record of all burials ?

As philipsearching said, all burials are recorded somewhere, but majority are not on line. Most people were buried near where they lived, so contact the nearest cemeteries to that and ask if they have any record of her burial. It shouldn't take them long to look as you have her actual date of death.
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: bigjon on Thursday 23 January 20 13:54 GMT (UK)
thanks guys
    1939 shows her living in Mansfield Woodhouse but I think after that she lived in  Hucknall. I have checked cem. records with both councils but nothing shows. Could she be in unmarked grave within workhouse grounds?

    bigjon
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: medpat on Thursday 23 January 20 14:27 GMT (UK)
Now belongs to the National Trust and open to the public. They have people there who know the history of the place so might be worth contacting them re burials.

Upton, and Southwell close so a possibility.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-workhouse-southwell
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: Rattus on Thursday 23 January 20 14:33 GMT (UK)
Previous discussion, for reference:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=635849.0

The link that I posted further back in this thread indicates that Greet House became known as Firbeck Infirmary, which existed until 1989. The National Trust then took it on in 1997.

As suggested in that previous discussion, I would try Notts Archives first.

Also see this:

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/the-workhouse-southwell/features/re-imagining-the-workhouse-southwell

"A library space within Firbeck Infirmary, with a searchable database, will be available to explore Workhouse records including census returns, statistics and inspector’s reports along with workhouse reference books and genealogy books available to browse."
Title: Re: are all burials recorded
Post by: Alexander. on Friday 24 January 20 06:50 GMT (UK)
I have a couple of ancestors who died at Greet House in the 1930s and both were buried in their home parishes.

I wonder why if she was from Hucknall, she ended up at Greet House. It was no longer a workhouse by that time, and while Southwell was not that far away I would think that there were other institutions closer to home. I wonder if there was a more local family tie.

It would be worth checking the burial registers for both Southwell Minster as well as Holy Trinity Church in Southwell. I think the Minster parish registers are filmed at the Notts Archives, but for Holy Trinity last I checked the registers for this period are still at the church.

Alexander