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Hi -
I was wondering if anyone could look up the marriage between Thomas Tillson and Jane Holiland on 15/7/1832? It is either in Jane's home village of Desford or Thomas' of Stoney Stanton.
When I noted down the details I forgot to record the names/occupations of their fathers and this is the information I am interested in. It may be the reason that I didn't write them down is because they weren't there!
I am trying to establish who Jane's parents were. I have them recorded as William Holyland and Hannah Jakes/Jacques, but this may be wrong and I want to eliminate this line of research if that is true.
Many thanks in advance
TreeGirl :)
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Unlikely to be there on a 1832 Marriage :D
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Marriage at Desford
Thomas Tilson occ Wheelwright
Jane Holiland spinster
Both of the parish after banns
Both signed
Witnesses Thomas Waring & Mary Ord..n
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Jane HOLYLAND christened 13 FEB 1810 Desford to WILLIAM/MARY
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Thomas never seems to be at home.
1851 in Warwickshire
Thomas Tillson Lodger Male 44 Wheelwright born Kirkby, Leicestershire
Down as unm ::)
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Unlikely to be there on a 1832 Marriage :D
Makes me feel better that I wasn't just being slack in my recording skills that day ;)
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Marriage at Desford
Thomas Tilson occ Wheelwright
Jane Holiland spinster
Both of the parish after banns
Both signed
Witnesses Thomas Waring & Mary Ord..n
Thanks rosie99.
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Thomas/Jane Bapt Desford;
Elizabeth 23 Dec 1832
John 26 July 1835
Amy 25 June 1837
1841 Census
Jane Tilson 30
Elizabeth Tilson 8
Amy Tilson 5
1851 John is at Home;
Jane Fellion 42
John Tillson 16
Amy Tillson 14
Ann Tillson 4
Aah 1841 John is with his Grandfather;
William Holyland 55
Hannah Holyland 55
Ann Holyland 20
John Tillson 6
Looks like William may have remarried.
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Looks to me that Thomas did a runner or they split up;
1861 Census
Jane Tillson 51
John Tillson 26
Ann Tillson 15
George Tillson 7
George Tillson
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1852, Stoney Stanton,Leicester,England
Mother: Jane Tillson
Likely Birth Reg for Ann c 1846;
TILSON, - -
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in HINCKLEY Volume 15 Page 58
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1841 in Handsworth, Staffs
Thomas Tilson 30 Journeyman Wheelwright, not born in County
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Looks to me that Thomas did a runner or they split up;
1861 Census
Jane Tillson 51
John Tillson 26
Ann Tillson 15
George Tillson 7
George Tillson
Baptism Date: 7 Dec 1852, Stoney Stanton,Leicester,England
Mother: Jane Tillson
Likely Birth Reg for Ann c 1846;
TILSON, - -
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in HINCKLEY Volume 15 Page 58
Makes sense .... Thomas was clearly a real keeper ::)
Is there any record of William Holyland marrying Hannah after Mary? Or even evidence of a marriage between William and Mary in the first place? I thought I had a record of W and H getting married in 1806, but that doesn't really tie in with Jane's birth ....
Any thoughts?!
TreeGirl :)
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William Holyland married Mary Rowton of Earl Shilton in Kirby Mallory on 14th October 1802.
Witnesses: John and Hannah Rowton.
Marriage licence gives William's occupation as a farmer of Earl Shilton.
Burial of a William: 2nd June 1817, born 1781, in Earl Shilton.
William Holyland, bach, married Hannah Hannah Jakes, spin, in Desford on 13th May 1806.
Witnesses: Elizabeth Jarvis and Joseph Mansfield.
David
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William Holyland married Mary Rowton of Earl Shilton in Kirby Mallory on 14th October 1802.
Witnesses: John and Hannah Rowton.
Marriage licence gives William's occupation as a farmer of Earl Shilton.
Burial of a William: 2nd June 1817, born 1781, in Earl Shilton.
William Holyland, bach, married Hannah Hannah Jakes, spin, in Desford on 13th May 1806.
Witnesses: Elizabeth Jarvis and Joseph Mansfield.
David
So .... the first marriage fits with record of Jane Holyland's baptism that states her parents were William and Mary, but William and Hannah fits with Jane's son living with them in the 1841 census .... anyone got any ideas how this fits together?!
TreeGirl :)
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The surname was spelled variously Holyland, Hollyland, Holliland and Holiland at various times throughout the 300+ year period in which branches of the family were in Desford.
The Earl Shilton branch must have come originally from the Desford branch and split around the late 1600s though I haven't clarified exactly how. There doesn't seem to have been much if any, intermingling between the two branches.
By the early 1800s there was only 1 Holyland family in Desford, and that was William (father), Hannah (mother) and their offspring. Jane gives her placeof birth as Desford and her age would match with the baptism given earlier - 15 Feb 1810, parents William and Mary. I wonder if this is an error in the register, and that it should actually read Hannah instead of Mary.
William and Hannah's children, in Desford:
Richard 1806
Jane 1810 (presumably!)
Mary 1814
Fulshaw 1816
William 1825
---- lots of gaps there.. In 1841 there is an Ann age 20 in the household,and I can't see her baptism,and in 1832, 20 year old John Holyland was buried with a note that he was their son, so either they moved around, or they didn't get round to baptising their children when they were little. If anyone spots any others, please feel free to add!
William and Mary, in Earl Shilton, meanwhile had the following:
Mary Ann 1803
William 1806
Charles 1807
Jane 1809
Sarah 1811
Job 1813
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Hi -
Just come back to this after a break ....
Thanks for the information, Annie65115 - although I am still none the wiser about how it all fits together! The mystery of William and Hannah/William and Mary as my Jane's parents continues!
Thanks all for input :)
TreeGirl :)
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I think that Jane Holyland from Earl Shilton married Richard Branston Tebbutt in 1831 in St Mary de Castro. On the 1851 census, Richard and Jane are in Nottingham and it gives Jane's POB as Earl Shilton.
So Jane H who married in Desford to Thomas Tillson was, I'm sure, the daughter of William and Hannah --and there's an error on the baptismal record that gives the wrong mother's name.
There seem to be a lot of such errors in a lot of registers once you start to try to put together the jigsaw pieces!
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Thanks for this Annie65115
I think I had come to the same conclusion, but it's good to hear it from you too!
TreeGirl :)