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Title: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Saturday 25 January 20 15:59 GMT (UK)
can anyone please help iam looking for my great gran and grandads name  there son was called james disley born 8th august 1898 burnley lancashire england  died 1966 burnley  married  Florence emily willihams  in 1919  she was born  1902 died 1959 burnley lancashire    thank you lisa x
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 January 20 16:19 GMT (UK)
Birth certificate for James will give his parents names - where do you have his exact date of birth from please?

If you can't find a birth registration for him does he appear on 1901 census with anyone?
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Saturday 25 January 20 16:22 GMT (UK)
 8th august 1897  can not
 order birth cert without his parents name  got info  of birth from Blanchard they were trying to trace my uncles family


Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 January 20 16:23 GMT (UK)
Maybe a little too old but there is a James age 6 born Burnley with widowed mother Alice and siblings in 1901. 
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 January 20 16:24 GMT (UK)
There is a baptism for James born 8 Aug 1897 mother Alice. 
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 25 January 20 16:31 GMT (UK)
This could be his birth registration

Sep 1897 Burnley Union

James Disley but no mothers maiden name shown so perhaps Alice wasn't a widow  :-\

Also George William born Sep 1894 Burnley Union
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Saturday 25 January 20 17:14 GMT (UK)
i can say i dont have a clue
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: sgf28 on Saturday 25 January 20 19:19 GMT (UK)
National School Admissions:

St Peters Church of England Primary, Burnley

James Disley, date of birth 8th August 1897. Address: 1 Spencer Court. No parents name given. He left 31st January 1908
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: sgf28 on Saturday 25 January 20 19:26 GMT (UK)
Maybe a little too old but there is a James age 6 born Burnley with widowed mother Alice and siblings in 1901. 

Using details of possible siblings on 1901 Census, there are marriages for Amelia and Alice.

9th May 1903 Burnley
Amelia Disley,18, father Edward Waddington
Patrick Rogan,25
One of the witnesses was Margaret Alice Disley.

Patrick Rogan is on 1901 Census as a boarder in Alice Disley's house.
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: sgf28 on Saturday 25 January 20 19:33 GMT (UK)
11th July 1903 Burnley

Margaret Alice Disley,19. Father: Edward Warrington
Charles Turner,21, French Polisher

Witnesses were Patrick and Amelia Rogan.

National School Admissions:
St Peters Primary, Burnley
Margaret Alice Disley, date of birth 9th August 1887, Father: Edward Waddington, 9 Hill Top Passage.
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: sgf28 on Saturday 25 January 20 19:39 GMT (UK)
Name not quite right :-\1891 Roberts Square, Burnley

Alice Disney,34, born Manchester, married
Matilda,8, Burnley
Amelia,7,Burnley
Margaret,5, Wigan
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 25 January 20 21:10 GMT (UK)
There's an interesting history to be found

Alice Disley
Edward Waddington

Banns     Dec 1883  Burnley (actually read three times)

Not noted, but can't find a trace of a marriage after the banns

Then

Q1 1906    Burnley Vol 8e p382
Alice Disley
Martha Ann Duckworth
Ambrose Snowden
Edward Waddington
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Saturday 25 January 20 21:28 GMT (UK)
Edward married before in 1875 to Mary Ellen Barker - definitely him as his address is 9 Hill Top, the same as given on Margaret Alice Disley's school admission

He potentially married again in 1890, to a Sarah Ellen Parkinson
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 26 January 20 03:06 GMT (UK)
On the 1939 register, james  living in Burnley gives his d.o.b.  as 8 Aug 1897.
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 26 January 20 03:13 GMT (UK)
James christening in 1899 only lists mother as Alice Disley.
No fathers name.
But in 1911 James age 14, is living  as a boarder in the house of Thomas Disley in Burnley.
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 26 January 20 03:17 GMT (UK)
His birth registration has no mothers name, but you should still be able to purchase it.


    Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
   DISLEY, JAMES       - 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 199
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 26 January 20 05:53 GMT (UK)
You do need the birth cert  and James's marriage cert may help

I have been fiddling around re Alice and agree with sgf28 that this looks Alice and earlier children in 1891

Alice Disney,34, born Manchester, married
Matilda,8, Burnley
Amelia,7,Burnley
Margaret,5, Wigan

I found bapts of possible  earlier children 

7 May 1876 Christ Church, Ince, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Ann Disley - [Child] of Robert Disley & Alice
    Born: 14 Feb 1876
    Abode: Lloyds Row
    Occupation: Collier

Baptism: 14 Nov 1877 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Thomas Disley - [Child] of Robert Disley & Alice
    Abode: Hallis St
    Occupation: Collier

Baptism: 28 Mar 1880 St Peter, Burnley, Lancashire, England
George Wetton Dizley - [Child] of Robert Dizley & Alice
   Abode: Picup St.
   Occupation: Collier

They were all listed with mothers maiden name Wallworth on the GRO Birth Index  Elizabeth Ann died in 1876, George died in 1881 and I think this is Thomas living with his grandparents in 1881 in Burnley


Thomas Wallworth    62   Coal Miner b Blackburn
Betty Wallworth    68 B Wigan
Thomas Dixeby    4  Grandson   b Burnley
William Gregory 40 ?-in-law b Wigan

And out of interest Thomas and Betty had a child Alice in 1871 livng in Ince in Makerfield who might be Alice Disley in later census years :-\

Thomas Walworth    50
Elizabeth Walworth    55
Thomas Walworth    20
Alice Walworth    15

It may be a coincidence but in 1881 there was a Robert Disley b 1844 Wigan - a coal miner boarding in Habergham Eaves, Burnley .   He is listed as married

Could this be the first of Alice's relationships and the reason she took the surname Disley???

Alice's daughter Matilda Disley age 21 married 17 Oct 1903 at St Peter, Burnley to Thomas Bithel and her father is listed as Robert Bithel - Collier

I can't see a Disley/Walworth  marriage is the area :-\

Kay

Added - Neale1961 posted previously

"James christening in 1899 only lists mother as Alice Disley.
No fathers name.
But in 1911 James age 14, is living  as a boarder in the house of Thomas Disley in Burnley."

I think the Thomas that James was boarding with in 1911 was his brother Thomas I mentioned before - who lived with the Walworth family in 1881
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 26 January 20 07:22 GMT (UK)
Just found on Anc the transcription of a marriage and I wonder if Robert's surname has been mistranscribed :-\  There is a marriage on FreeBMD in the Easington 1874 Sept Qtr 10a   646 for a Robert Disley/Alice Walworth

Alice Walworth Age:    19
Marriage Date:    31 Aug 1874 - Wingate, Durham,
Father:    Thomas Walworth
Spouse:    Robert Dilley age 27 father John Dilley
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 26 January 20 07:38 GMT (UK)
His birth registration has no mothers name, but you should still be able to purchase it.


    Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
   DISLEY, JAMES       - 
GRO Reference: 1897  S Quarter in THE BURNLEY UNION  Volume 08E  Page 199

If you purchase the birth certificate online from www.gov.uk, you do not need anymore information.
You select the item you want, and you purchase it. Done!
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 26 January 20 11:25 GMT (UK)
But in 1911 James age 14, is living  as a boarder in the house of Thomas Disley in Burnley.

James is enumerated as 'brother' not boarder to Thomas, as is George W. DISLEY aged 17.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 26 January 20 12:08 GMT (UK)
If you purchase the birth certificate online from www.gov.uk, you do not need anymore information.
You select the item you want, and you purchase it. Done!

Have a look at GRO https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

KG
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 26 January 20 13:05 GMT (UK)
So presumably, Alice Disley and Edward Waddington's marriage in 1883 never happened, despite the banns being read three times, because it became apparent one or both of them was not free to marry after all. Edward presumably stayed around a while and fathered the younger of Alice's children (or some of them)

He then may have married someone else in 1890 (which would account for Alice being alone in 1891)

James arrives later - father unclear

1906 Alice and Edward are back together and marry, only for her to die the next year

Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Sunday 26 January 20 13:31 GMT (UK)
hello sorry what do you mean Alice and Edward were back together then she died sorry iam new to this
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Sunday 26 January 20 13:41 GMT (UK)
sorry you were right i looked it up just looking for death now
Title: Re: help james disley
Post by: lisa disley on Sunday 26 January 20 15:08 GMT (UK)
found her death record now i am looking for Robert disley death   thank you everyone for your help x