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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: BAC3 on Sunday 26 January 20 11:23 GMT (UK)

Title: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: BAC3 on Sunday 26 January 20 11:23 GMT (UK)
Good Morning,

Between 1871 and 1881 this gentleman married a lady called Rosalie, surname unknown, who was born in France according to the 1881 Channel Islands Census.   I would be delighted if someone could confirm the marriage details assuming, of course, he married on the Islands.......there are no details in the UK.

Similarly, by 1911 he is a Widower living in Dorset and I wonder if Rosalie died on the Islands.   There are no 1901 Census details for him in the UK or Channel Islands to offer a closer research field.

Thank you for your help

BAC3
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 26 January 20 12:41 GMT (UK)
This could be a possible record for her maiden name
Jersey Hospital Poor House Admission
Rosalie Banner
Maiden name Martin
Admission date 1891
Discharge date 1891
Jersey Channel Island
Http/catalogue.Jerseyheritage.org
Not seeing a marriage so far



Rosie
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 January 20 13:10 GMT (UK)
They are both in Jersey 1891 transcribed on F M P as Baumer and Banner on Ancestry. Rosalie born Dinard, France.  In 1881 she is a British subject
RG12/4695 f145 p7
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 January 20 13:14 GMT (UK)
1901 he is possibly in Portland, Dorset
RG13/1997 f65 p16
Alfred Bonner - Single - age 67 bn Birmingham
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: BAC3 on Sunday 26 January 20 13:20 GMT (UK)
Thank you Rosie,

I think, without doubt, you have uncovered the correct lady.

I have since researched all the available BDM indexes across various websites using this new information but, sadly, no marriage uncovered...........that, of course, may be entirely my faulty research ::)

For the moment

BAC3

Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 26 January 20 13:21 GMT (UK)
Can't see a marriage on Jerripediabmd.net either?

But that database is only for the States of Jersey, and contains only Anglican records.
Guernsey/Alderney/Sark is covered by Donkipedia.
Both Donkipedia and Jerripedia are accessed from The Island Wiki (https://www.theislandwiki.org/index.php/).
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: BAC3 on Sunday 26 January 20 13:24 GMT (UK)
Excellent research Rosie,

The picture is almost complete with the 1901 Census......I know he died in 1917.......it now remains to establish the marriage detail.

BAC3

Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: BAC3 on Thursday 30 January 20 13:54 GMT (UK)
Good Afternoon,

Thank you for all your help..........the story of Alfred BANNER is almost complete EXCEPT........it has been discovered according to The Jersey Weekly Press and Independent published on 19/10/1878 that he reverted to his criminal ways and was committed to trial at the Royal Court for stealing a forcing pump with brass taps and a copper bell.

He was identified as a sailor belonging to HMS Dasher, meaning that he was still probably a Royal Marine.  He had an accomplice, Edward BEAVAN, also a sailor.

Can anyone help with the outcome of the trial please.......if he was jailed in Jersey for a substantial period (a year or more!!), and probably as a consequence formally discharged from the Royal Marines, it could help in establishing why he then remained in Jersey and subsequently met his wife.

Thank you,

BAC3
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: Hill on Friday 31 January 20 10:00 GMT (UK)
Hi

Full details of the court case can be found at Jersey Archive - https://catalogue.jerseyheritage.org/

Search on Banner, Alfred

Unfortunately the result is in French. You will need a subscription to view online or request a printed copy.

Stewart
Title: Re: Alfred BANNER, born12/03/1837, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 31 January 20 11:33 GMT (UK)
Thank You Stewart,

I shall need to investigate both the subscription and translation implications 8)

BAC3