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Title: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: m23to53 on Monday 27 January 20 18:18 GMT (UK): Robert Douglas Andrew was a prolific script writer and his dates are apparently 19 October 1903 in Effingham, Kansas to 11 November 1976 in California - which is where the problem started as his death is under Robert H Andrews!
A Google search brings up lots of mentions including some with biographical details and some which say his name was actually Charles Robert Douglas Hardy Andrews.

Ancestry has a quite detailed listing of Kansas births 1885-1911 but no Robert or Charles or.. listed which matches. Effingham is a small town today and looking at the 1900 and 1910 had few residents then as I gather it was in the early stages of its existence - and no Andrews.
There are a couple of Robert Andrews born Kansas c1903 on 1910 census, but no match in the Kansas births on Ancestry regarding parents names.

An online archive listing based on Andrews' donations then says he was born 1908 . The 1908 is repeated elsewhere, as is his birth being in Nevada, Missouri (19 October 1903 birth date) - this is to be found in a document on Ancestry (WWII Draft Cards Young Men..) which unfortunately is to be found on Fold3 which I do not subscribe to. Ancestry does not have a Missouri births collection.

So was he born in Kansas or Missouri? I assume 1908 but was he ? Was he born Charles Robert... Andrews or Robert Hardy Andrews or Robert Douglas Andrews (various records and references exist for him under these last two names).

Incidentally one supposed reliable source says he is 19 October 1908 to 1999 but nothing found as I expected.

I only wanted to confirm his dates and name from the Wiki article (which gives no details on his origins apart from the date of birth), but seem to have given myself a number of questions which I cannot find answers to.

Can anyone help me out?

Many thanks
John
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 27 January 20 18:45 GMT (UK): Here's a clue to locating him in early censuses.

According to his death notice he had two brothers. "brother of Philip and Paul Andrews"

The Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles, California
Saturday, November 13, 1976 - Page 48

Death Notice: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43112624/robert_andrewsdeath/
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 27 January 20 19:38 GMT (UK): Hoping to find a marriage record (possible parents names given). They had two children. The first in Feb. 1945. So they were probably married prior to that date.

Male birth(1945): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V278-4HX

Female birth(1947): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V27G-JVW
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His wife Irene died in 1975.

The Los Angeles Times
Los Angeles, California
20 Jul 1975, Sun • Page 36

Death Notice: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43115521/irene_andrewsdeath/

I see the two death records for her are at odds for birth year. Both have same Day/Month, but one says 1909 & the other 1913?

SSDI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPD5-7J7

CADI: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPD5-7J7
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 19:57 GMT (UK): Father and children. Details are listed on Find A Grave entry.................with obituary attached.

FIND A GRAVE

Dr Charles Roberts Andrews - 1911 - 1922

Charles Robert Andrews was born August 24, 1877, in Brown County, Kansas, the son of Robert and Jane Elizabeth Andrews.

Charles married Mary Florence Hedding on March 17, 1901, in Brown County, Kansas. Mamie was born October 28, 1877, in Hiawatha, Brown County, Kansas, the daughter of Charles B. and Louisa M. Hedding. Charles and Mary had the following known children:

Mildred Louise Andrews (1902-1908)
Charles Robert Andrews (1903-1976)
George Phillip Andrews (1911-1987)
John Paul Andrews (1916-1977)

Hendricks Cemetery Hendricks, Lincoln County, Minnesota,
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/188334376

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:02 GMT (UK): 1920 census - Hitchcock, Beadle, South Dakota

Charles R Andrews 41 physician.
Mary F Andrews 41
George P Andrews 8
John P Andrews 3 years 8 months.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6NK-TZQ

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:03 GMT (UK): The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 30 Mar 1922, Thu Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157280/dr_charles_andrews_1922/

1930 census Minneapolis, Hennepin, Minnesota.

Mary F Andrews 52 widowed.
George P Andrews 18
John P Andrews 14

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3ZK-6SQ

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:11 GMT (UK): 1910 census Pottawattamie Street Hiawatha Ward 4, Brown, Kansas.
Mildred Louise Andrews died 1907

Louisa M Hedding   68
Mamie F Andrews   36 Had 2 children and 1 survives.
Charles Robert Andrews   6

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2HG-873

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RK9-265?i=2&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AM2HG-87Q

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:15 GMT (UK): South Dakota, Birth Index, 1856-1917

John Andrews - Birth Date 29 Feb 1916 Marshall, South Dakota.
Father Chas Andrews - Mother Mary Hedding.

SSDI - John Andrews - 29 Fenruary 1916 - April 1977
Last Residence 07656, Park Ridge, Bergen, New Jersey.
Last Benefit 07656, Park Ridge, Bergen, New Jersey.

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:29 GMT (UK): Louisa Hedding mother of Mary F Hedding/Andrews

Brown County World Hiawatha, Kansas 23 Feb 1923, Fri Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43119815/louisa_hedding_mother_of_mary_fhedding/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 27 January 20 20:54 GMT (UK): Possibilty................

New York, Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957

Phillip Andrews aged 31 years - - 15 December 1911 - Powhattan Kanas. Living 545 Fifth Avenue New York NY. SS Queen Mary - 5 October 1943 - Greenock Scotland to New York.

SSDI - Phillip Andrews - Birth Date 15 Dec 1911 - February 1987
Last Residence: 10128, New York, New York, New York.
Issued before 1951 New York.

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: Dundee on Tuesday 28 January 20 03:50 GMT (UK): His parents were married at Hiawatha, Brown County in 1901 and they were still living there in 1905 so it is highly likely that he was born there.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-T49J-82

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS73-DQ89

Your chances of finding a recorded birth are probably not good.

https://www.kshs.org/index.php?url=p/genealogy-vital-records-in-kansas/11313

His marriage in 1942.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L93H-79SC-P

He was already divorced in 1930 and says he was first married when he was aged 20.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRHM-Z23

His second marriage in 1932.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24DF-Y8S

Debra :)
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:32 GMT (UK): This was the period Robert or Charles Robert Douglas Hardy Andrews was born according to some data. ???

In the obituary for Dr Robert Andrew it says - He practised in Kansas for some time. In 1905 went to Panama as a surgeon in government service, serving for 14 months as physician at the Ancon hospital on the canal. He was invalided home with yellow fever, went to Indian Territory, Oklahoma, as a government doctor at Colony, an Indian settlement. He practised for some years at Carnegie, Okla., where his daughter, Mildred Louise, died in 1908, when she was 6 years old.

1915 census Powhattan Township, Brown, Kansas - Robert with grandparents.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGF1-MRJH

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:40 GMT (UK): Kansas, City and County Census Records, 1919-1961 - Robert Andrews - 1 March 1919 Powhattan Kansas. Two people in household.

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:41 GMT (UK): Grandmother Jane F Andrews nee Hardy - Obituary.

Brown County World Hiawatha, Kansas 16 Jun 1916, Fri Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43156956/mrs_robert_andrews_jane_f_hardy_1916/

FIND A GRAVE

Grand-parents and siblings

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/60352091

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:48 GMT (UK): 1905 census Hiawatha Kansas.

C R Andrews 27
May Andrews 27
Chas R Andrews1
Mildred L Andrews 3

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP82-FX4T

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS73-DQ89?cc=2659394&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQP82-FX4T

Grandparents in 1910 Powhattan, Brown, Kansas.

Robert Andrews   56 Jane E Andrews   55
Mary Andrews   27 Oliver Andrews   22
Joshery Hardy   45 Brother-in-law.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2HP-SZY

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:50 GMT (UK): 1900 census Powhattan, Brown, Kansas.

Robert Andrews   46 Jane E Andrews   45
David M Andrews 20 Mary E Andrews   17
Vernon M Andrews 13 Oliver L Andrews 11

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMT3-RY4

1880 census Powhattan, Brown, Kansas.

Robert Andrews   26
J. E. Andrews   25
Charl. R. Andrews 3
David M. Andrews 10 months.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFPK-DTD

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 09:51 GMT (UK): Two entries - 2 days apart - same couple - Marriage of Robert Andrews and Jane E Hardy -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q293-JRC2

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWL6-RBS

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 10:11 GMT (UK): Small snippet which may be of interest - O l Andrews (brother of Charles Robert Andrews - 1877) shot by mistake.

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 29 Jul 1920, Thu Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157196/o_l_andrews__1920/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 10:27 GMT (UK): The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 21 Mar 1901, Thu Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157347/andrews_hedding_marriage_1901/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 10:35 GMT (UK): Newspaper report of a son born 1911 ro Mr and Mrs Charles R Andrews.

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 21 Dec 1911, Thu Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157418/hiawatha_kansas_1911/

Newspaper report on the birth of Paul (John Paul Andrews) in Eden South Dakota - son of Dr and Mrs Charles Andrews.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157395/a_son_paul_born_eden_south_dakota_1916/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 10:41 GMT (UK): Kansas man from Panama.......

Douglass Tribune Douglass, Kansas 9 Jun 1905, Fri Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157459/dr_charles_andrews_9_june_1905/

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 7 Jun 1905, Wed Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157597/dr_charles_andrews_government/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 10:46 GMT (UK): Mildred Louise Andrews - death - typhoid pneumonia.

Brown County World Hiawatha, Kansas 25 Oct 1907, Fri Page 23

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157507/mildred_louise_andrews_1907/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 11:09 GMT (UK): Brown County World Hiawatha, Kansas 20 Jun 1919, Fri Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157738/robert_andrews_into_the_newspaper_game/

Brown County World Hiawatha, Kansas 7 Jun 1918, Fri Page 6

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43157777/robert_andrews_1918/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 19:21 GMT (UK): The Brown County Republican Hiawatha, Kansas 11 Apr 1901, Thu Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43173719/dr_charles_andrews/

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 19 May 1903, Tue Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43173795/charles_andrews_effingham_1903/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 19:23 GMT (UK): This one might be interesting - could this be George Robert Hardy Andrews ???

Mrs Robert Andrews visits grandchild, sick with pneumonia fever.

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 19 May 1903, Tue Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43174573/mrs_robert_andrews_visits_grandchild/

Sandra
Title: Re: Robert Hardy Andrews, clarification of birth needed
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 28 January 20 19:24 GMT (UK): Statewide registration for births and deaths started in 1911.

Mrs C R Andrews and children - 25 December 1903.
These must be Mildred and George.

The Kansas Democrat Hiawatha, Kansas 25 Dec 1903, Fri Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43175967/mrs_c_r_andrews_and_children_25/

Sandra

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