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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Berkshire => Topic started by: LizzieL on Tuesday 28 January 20 08:54 GMT (UK)
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Edward Henry Eltham was born in Wantage in 1884 (birth reg Q3 1884)
He married Elizabeth Payne in 1904 (reg Q1 1904)
Children:
Eva Elizabeth (b Q1 1904, d Q1 1905)
Edith May b 19 Jun 1908
Doris Beatrice (b Q1 1909, d Q4 1909)
Elizabeth Mary b 8 Feb 1910
Edward enlisted for the army in 1907, first in Royal Berks, then transferred to Welsh Fusiliers. He was discharged in 1908. He gives his father as Next of kin not wife.
In 1911 Elizabeth is a visitor staying with her widowed mother, her 2 surviving children with her, she is listed as married. Can't find Edward
I have found 8 more children indexed with surname Eltham mmn Payne in Wantage, the last one born on 18 Nov 1927 when Elizabeth would be about 41.
In 1939 Elizabeth is with one of her sons and 3 redacted entries below (probably younger children) In the household is an unrelated male (probably lodger) Elizabeth is listed as widow.
I cannot find a death of an Edward Henry Eltham in the correct time period - between early 1927 and 1939.
However I can find an Edward H Eltham of right sort of age in 1954 in Eton district. He seems to have had a wife and family in Windsor. I cannot find a birth for an alternative Edward which would fit the Eton/ Windsor death.
Has Edward left his wife and committed bigamy - found possibly marriage to Clarke in Pancras.
Any ideas please?
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The Edward Eltham , no middle initial shown
married 1917, Pancras
to Caroline M Clarke
1950 was living as follows
Edward H Eltham
and
Caroline M Eltham
The White Bungalow
Lower Village Road
Sunninghill
Windsor
Berks
Neither marriages can I find online giving his fathers name and occupation, the only way to find the information unfortunately is to purchase them
Louisa Maud
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If he is the same man, he was Living in Lower Village Road (Berkshire electoral rolls on Ancestry) as early as 1920
Which makes one think those later Eltham Payne births might be suspect too.
I cannot see another birth either
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On one of the attestations (there seem to be two for the same man) on FindMyPast, in 1907 he says he is Single
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Looks like there might have been more children to Edward and Elizabeth as well according to Wantage PRs
Eva Elizabeth bapt 16 Feb 1904 d/o Edward and Elizabeth, Cowman, Martins Yard born 7 Jan, buried 31 Jan 1905
Edward George bapt 11 Mar 1906, s/o Edward & Lizzie, Labourer, Priory Rd, born 6 Jan buried 28 Mar 1911
Edith May is listed as daughter of Elizabeth only bapt 6 Oct 1908 born 19 Jun
Doris Beatrice is baptised at daughter of James and Sarah ELTHAM, buried 25 Feb 1909
Elizabeth Mary is listed as daughter of Elizabeth only, bapt 10 May 1910, born 8 Feb
Ian C
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Edith May 1908 Wantage no maiden name
Doris Beatrice May 1909 MMN Strange
Edith Mary 1910 no maiden name
Still looking for Edward circa 1906
Louisa Maud
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In 1925, before the birth of the youngest child, Elizabeth Eltham is living at Kent’s Cottages.
Ernest Brewerton also has this address.
It could be a different cottage, I suppose.
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Hmm... Ernest Brewerton pops up again!
Thank you all for your help, the children seem a bit clearer now.
The two with Elizabeth in 1911 were Edith May b 19 Jun 1908 ( she would be age 2 as her birthday fell after census day) and Elizabeth Mary b 8th Feb 1910 (age 1 as she had her birthday a couple of months before the census). The two who had died were Eva Elizabeth and Edward George. (died shortly before the census). It seems Doris Beatrice was the last child of Edward's uncle James Woodley Eltham and his wife Sarah Ann Strange.
So it looks as though Eva Elizabeth and Edward George were Edward's children, Edith May and Elizabeth Mary probably not - but why no mmn on birth registration, there was with the later ones which definitely were fathered by someone else. As one was named Ernest, I would suspect Ernest Brewerton.
So it does look as if Edward was a bigamist and I ought to look for DNA matches with the children of him and Caroline Clarke rather than with any children of Elizabeth since the two pre 1911 ones who survived to marry and have children are of suspect paternity.
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In 1911 Ernest Brewerton is a boarder at the pub down the road. In 1891 at home with widowed mother and siblings in same street. He has a sister called Edith and a brother called Alfred.
Can't find him in 1901.
Has anyone seen Edward in 1901 and 1911?
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....but why no mmn on birth registration, there was with the later ones which definitely were fathered by someone else. As one was named Ernest, I would suspect Ernest Brewerton.
If she just named herself as Elizabeth ELTHAM when registering the children then no maiden name would be indexed. If she named herself as Elizabeth ELTHAM formerly PAYNE with no father's name recorded then they would be indexed as ELTHAM with a mother's maiden name of PAYNE. It just depends on how she chose to name herself at the time.
Debra :)
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On one of the attestations (there seem to be two for the same man) on FindMyPast, in 1907 he says he is Single
In Soldiers Effects records there is an entry - 1909
Edward Eltham The Royal Welch Fusiliers No 9470
‘Insane’ is written in the ‘date and place of death’ column
There is no entry in place/date of birth column nor in ‘next of kin’ and the
Money (10s 6d) was paid to himself.
I think he was discharged from Netley (military hospital)
Would that be him?
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He transferred from Royal Berks to Welsh Fusiliers, so it looks like him. I saw a reference to Netley in a search then couldn't find it again.
I wonder if if he and Elizabeth had split up by 1907 - so when he went off to join the army he considered himself single. They would have had two children by this time but Eva had died.
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It looks like 3 Royal Berks was militia and after two months he transferred to regular army.
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Found Ernest Brewerton's WW1 service record. Page is torn but can see ..... George with Eltham written underneath, dob 27 Oct 1916, Wantage. It looks like he claim Alfred George, no mention of the two girls and Ernest 1912, maybe someone else's children.