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Hi all,
Hoping someone might be able to help.
I am trying to find the maiden surname of my great great grandmother.
I have not been able to prove the birth of my great grandmother as her name is Mary Ann Brookes, to many to guess around the year of her birth 1852. However I have found the birth of her older brother.
His name was Lees Brooks born 1848 Saddleworth Yorkshire. Lees died 7 Feb. 1852 aged 3. Registered in Lancaster.
I have his parents James and Sarah Brooks. The surname is sometimes recorded as Brooks and Brookes. I have the family on the 1841, 1851, 1861 census in Oldham and Hulme.
Is there any possible way of finding a birth or Chr. for this child that just might give his mothers surname?
I have checked Find My Past, The Genealogist that is where I found the birth, and also checked Ancestry.
They also had another child called either Edda, Edd or Edola but have not found a birth for this boy.
I think they gave Lees his Chr. name as they lived next door to a Lees family on the 1851 census in Saddleworth. Perhaps they liked the name or liked the family. At least they were thinking outside the box for once.
Failing that I will bite the bullet and order the birth certificate. But thought I would see if anyone had any other suggestions or help.
Many thanks
Sue in NZ.
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Lees mothers maiden name was Dunkerley as per
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
Ann Brooks mmn Dunkerley Dec qtr 1852 Saddleworth 9a 213
Ada Brooks mmn Dunkerley Dec qtr 1850 Saddleworth 23 604
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Eldest son b Oldham 1836 so also this birth
Birth of James Lees Brooks mmn Dunkerley March qtr 1844 Ashton & Oldham
Child died Saddleworth Dec qtr 1847
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Their marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFXF-6PR
The register image is on page 335.
Jamjar
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Jamjar just beat me to it ;D
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Got to be quick to beat you, Carole. ;D
There is a tree that has James and Sarah having 15 children :o:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LCZD-L14
Jamjar
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Got to be quick to beat you, Carole. ;D
There is a tree that has James and Sarah having 15 children :o:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LCZD-L14
Jamjar
Hi there
Thank you so much.
I don't usually take much notice of family trees on Family Search.
Found one of my families they had so much wrong information and I had the certificates in front of me.
I see they have my grandmother as Ann and not as Mary Ann. Everything I have on her she is Mary Ann even her headstone. I will have a look at it but will treat it with a bit of caution as I always do with online trees these days.
I will now digest it all.
Thank you all so much.
Cheers
Sue
I have had a look at the tree. Have also found there are sources which seem to be mainly census and parish records so it's not an imagined tree.
There was also a link to contact the person so have emailed to see if anything comes back.
Will let you know what happens next.
Thanks again
Cheers
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As provided by Carole, her birth is registered with GRO as Ann.
She is Anne on the 1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7K9-N5G
Jamjar
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Got to be quick to beat you, Carole. ;D
There is a tree that has James and Sarah having 15 children :o:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/LCZD-L14
Jamjar
I have been looking at the tree online.
It would seem some of it is my family but another tree is included.
The Richard, is right the John on the tree is not, Samuel is right, Lees, Edda, Ann, Hannah and Sarah are all mine but the rest of them are not including I now feel neither are they the right parents.
when clicking on the sources this other family is all from Staffordshire according to the census records.
Also this James Brooks is still alive in 1871. My Sarah is a widow by 1871.
Was worth checking it out.
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Some births:
BROOKS, MOSES mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 37
BROOKES, JOHN mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 180
BROOKS, SARAH mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1840 J Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 149
BROOKS, MARY mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 136
BROOKS, JAMES LEES mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 136
BROOKS, SAMUEL mmn DONKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 23 Page 618
BROOKS, LEES mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1848 S Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 23 Page 577
BROOKS, ADA mmn DUNKERLEY (This is son EDDA)
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 23 Page 604
BROOKS, HANNAH mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1855 J Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 09A Page 224
BROOKS, SARAH mmn DUNKERLEY
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 502
I had a look at other’s on that tree and I too believe some of the children listed can be found in censuses with different family.
Jamjar
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Some births:
Thank you so much for your help.
I have gone through the sources again it would seem the person who submitted my family also submitted the marriage of James and Sarah. Their information is also sourced from the same records I have so I take it back that the parents may not be the correct ones, it is a possibility. Also the area Shelderslow on the marriage is in the right place. It's a matter of picking out the correct info. from the incorrect info.
I am in the process of writing up my family history would be nice to have Sarah's maiden name just to complete the information. So much nicer than having a Chr. name and unknown as I have with a few of my family.
Thank you again
Cheers
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For reference:
1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGN-V12
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP92-YBF
Jamjar
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For reference:
1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGN-V12
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP92-YBF
Jamjar
Thanks Jamjar. I have the family on the 41 51 61 and 71 census. Sarah is a widow in 71.
Must check out the Lancs online parish clerk site shortly to see if I can find anything on there.
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For reference:
1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGN-V12
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP92-YBF
Just had another look at the 1851 census. At the top of the page is a Sophia and Emma Dunkerley so went back online and had a look at the previous page.
A John and Martha Dunkerley are the parents. Is there a connection or just a red herring. Interesting there is a family with the same name close by.
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Could be a brother of Sarah.
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG57-6Q7
DUNKERLEY, JAMES mmn OATES
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 127
DUNKERLEY, SOPHIA mmn OATES
GRO Reference: 1846 J Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 180
DUNKERLEY, EMMA mmn OATES
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 08D Page 509
I can’t see William and Ellen.
Jamjar
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Think Ellen may be Eliza in 1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7K9-N5X
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDDT-QMX
DONKERLEY, ELIZA mmn OATS
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 23 Page 499
DUNKERLEY, JAMES mmn OATES
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 127
Jamjar
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Can we back up a little please.
Is this the 1871 Census you have?
Sarah Ann Brooks 52 Widow born Oldham
Mary Ann Brooks 17 born Hulme****
George Brooks 15
Ara Brooks 14
When/where/who did Mary Ann marry?
Does her M/C has her Father as James?
Trish :)
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I have not been able to prove the birth of my great grandmother as her name is Mary Ann Brookes, to many to guess around the year of her birth 1852.
However I have found the birth of her older brother was Lees Brooks born 1848 Saddleworth Yorkshire. Lees died 7 Feb. 1852 aged 3. Registered in Lancaster.
I have his parents James and Sarah Brooks.
They also had another child called either Edda, Edd or Edola but have not found a birth for this boy.
for info. not sure if you have these details
John Brooks
Birth 13 Jun 1841 Baptism 25 Apr 1842 Greenacres, Lancashire
Church: Congregational Church
Father James Brooks Mother Sarah, Waterhead Mill
James Lees Brooks
Birth 29 Nov 1843 Baptism 27 Feb 1844 Greenacres, Lancashire,
Church: Congregational Church
Father James Brooks Mother Sarah, abode New Bank
Samuel Brooks
Birth 6 May 1846 Baptism 24 Nov 1846 Greenacres, Lancashire
Church: Congregational Church
Father James Brooks Mother Sarah, abode Hey Chapel
Manchester, England, Non-Conformist Births and Baptisms, 1758-1912
Richard Brooks
Baptism 11 Sep 1836 Saddleworth, St Chad, Yorkshire
Father: James Brooks, occ Cotton Spinner Mother:Sarah, abode Waterhead Mill
Lees Brooks
Birth 4 Jul Baptism Date: 30 Jul 1848 Saddleworth, St Chad, Yorkshire
Father: James Brooks, occ Twiner Mother: Sarah, abode Lydgate
For reference:
1841: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQGN-V12
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP92-YBF
BROOKS, ADA mmn DUNKERLEY (This is son EDDA)
1850 D Quarter in SADDLEWORTH Volume 23 Page 604
There’s this baptism for an ADA but gives father’s name as Joseph ??? so not sure if correct Ada
Ada Brooks
Birth 18 Sep Baptism 27 Oct 1850 Saddleworth, St Chad, Yorkshire
Father: Joseph Brooks, occ cotton spinner Mother: Sarah, abode Lydgate
Can we back up a little please.
Is this the 1871 Census you have?
Sarah Ann Brooks 52 Widow born Oldham
Mary Ann Brooks 17 born Hulme****
George Brooks 15
Ara Brooks 14
When/where/who did Mary Ann marry?
Does her M/C has her Father as James?
I don't think their father is named James
Mary Ann Brooks
Birth 26 Sep 1853
Baptism 11 Jun 1854 Hulme, Holy Trinity, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Brooks,occ millwright Mother: Sarah Ann, 19 Dearden St.,
god/fathers & mothers Matilda Ellis, Mary Vernon & James McGregor
George Brooks
Birth 24 May 1855
Baptism 22 Jun 1856 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father Henry Brooks, millwright Mother Sarah Ann, abode Hulme
Asa Brooks
Birth Date: 11 Feb 1857
Baptism 1 Jun 1862 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father Henry Brooks, millwright Mother Sarah Ann, abode Manchester
Mary Ann Brooks age 20, father Henry, occ millwright
Marriage 5 Jan 1874 Hulme, Lancashire
Church: Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, George Street
Spouse Name: William George Willot 21 father William
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Can we back up a little please.
Is this the 1871 Census you have?
Sarah Ann Brooks 52 Widow born Oldham
Mary Ann Brooks 17 born Hulme****
George Brooks 15
Ara Brooks 14
Hi Trish,
Yes that is my Sarah and Mary Ann Brooks.
Mary Ann Brookes married William Joseph Broomhead 25 Dec 1875 in Hulme. Mary Ann was aged 22 a spinster living at 8 Riga Street. Her father was James Brookes, occupation weaver.
It is on this certificate that Mary Ann's surname is spelt as Brookes. Mary Ann signed with her X mark.
One of the witnesses was an Esther Brookes also signed with her X mark. Could be a relation. I have looked for an Esther Brookes in the past but couldn't find any sort of a connection. But then I have not looked again for some years.
Mary Ann died 1914 and was buried on the 28 March 1914. I was lucky enough to find her headstone on find a grave though it is not a very good photo plus the headstone looks like it could with a good clean.
I have been a little lucky with find a grave but most of my family are buried in the Southern Cemetery which no longer exists. All the headstones were removed and turned into a park. Sad for genealogists today.
Cheers
Sue
When/where/who did Mary Ann marry?
Does her M/C has her Father as James?
Trish :)
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Could be a brother of Sarah.
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG57-6Q7
Thanks Jamjar. Will keep it in mind.
Cheers
Sue
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So, this is not Sarah Dunkerley/Brooks, mother of Lees and Eda, in 1871.
Jamjar
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The 2 witnesses to Mary Ann's marriage on 25/12/1875 were Jacob Humphreys and, as already mentioned, Esther Brookes. This couple married each other just 1 week later on 1/1/1876 and Esther shows her father as James Brookes, deceased.
I feel absolutely sure that these 2 were sisters - however, I'm having just as many problems finding births/baptisms and on census as before.
Possibly found Esther in 1871 living in another household as a lodger in Manchester.
One thing I keep coming back to is this:
1861 Census - Chorlton upon Medlock
Mary Brooks Widow. 32 Framing Tenter Cotton Mill b. Stockport, Cheshire
Esther Brooks 9 (incorrectly transcribed as Catherine on FindMyPast) ditto
Mary A. Brooks 7 ditto
Yes, all 3 are shown as born Stockport but if the 2 girls were just infants when they moved to Chorlton when they grew up they may not have realised they'd been born in Stockport.
I also found a baptism on 15/4/1855 Manchester for an Esther Brooks, dau. of James and Mary. It's just a transcript on FindMyPast and no idea which church it was, nor the occupation of James. Was hoping to find Mary Ann baptised at the same time (late baptism for both) but no joy.
Forgot to note exact details but found a Mary married to a James in Stockport in 1851 - no children yet, think it may have been under Brook on Ancestry. Sure she was a Tenter.
Maybe some red herrings here but my gut instinct is that Mary Ann and Esther - both with a father James per their marriages - are sisters and the 1861 census above is the only one I can find with possibly the 2 girls together.
Will leave this to you to ponder.
Annette
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Just found James Brooks 23 Weaver son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and Mary Hough 24 dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.
Births shows Esther Brooks Jun.qtr.1851 Chorlton - mmn Hough, and Mary Ann Brooks Mar.1854 Chorlton - mmn Hough. So both girls born Chorlton and not Stockport.
Feel sure this is the right family.
Annette
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The 2 witnesses to Mary Ann's marriage on 25/12/1875 were Jacob Humphreys and, as already mentioned, Esther Brookes. This couple married each other just 1 week later on 1/1/1876 and Esther shows her father as James Brookes, deceased.
I feel absolutely sure that these 2 were sisters - however, I'm having just as many problems finding births/baptisms and on census as before.
Possibly found Esther in 1871 living in another household as a lodger in Manchester.
One thing I keep coming back to is this:
1861 Census - Chorlton upon Medlock
Mary Brooks Widow. 32 Framing Tenter Cotton Mill b. Stockport, Cheshire
Esther Brooks 9 (incorrectly transcribed as Catherine on FindMyPast) ditto
Mary A. Brooks 7 ditto
Yes, all 3 are shown as born Stockport but if the 2 girls were just infants when they moved to Chorlton when they grew up they may not have realised they'd been born in Stockport.
I also found a baptism on 15/4/1855 Manchester for an Esther Brooks, dau. of James and Mary. It's just a transcript on FindMyPast and no idea which church it was, nor the occupation of James. Was hoping to find Mary Ann baptised at the same time (late baptism for both) but no joy.
Forgot to note exact details but found a Mary married to a James in Stockport in 1851 - no children yet, think it may have been under Brook on Ancestry. Sure she was a Tenter.
Maybe some red herrings here but my gut instinct is that Mary Ann and Esther - both with a father James per their marriages - are sisters and the 1861 census above is the only one I can find with possibly the 2 girls together.
Will leave this to you to ponder.
Hi Annette,
You beat me to it. I was about to go and have another look to see if I could find anything on the Esther.
Thank you for doing that. Gosh it is food for thought.
I will need to go through it again and go back and see what I can find. If anything.
Perhaps it is the wrong family I have been tracing. I might try doing a search of the census by just the Chr. names Brookes/Brooks could be transcribed as something totally different.
Funny how names keep popping up. On the 1851 census in the household above the Brooks family is a Jane Humphreys mother-in-law Edward Lees. The name Lees pops up in the Brooks family children as a Chr. name and the surname Humphrey's pops up as a witness to William and Mary Ann's marriage. Only reason I never mentioned him as the other witness didn't think the name would come into thought he might just be a friend or someone off the street to witness the marriage. After all they did marry on the 25 Dec. William most likely picked that date to make it easy for him to remember when he got married.
Might be back to the drawing board after all.
Thank you everyone for all your wonderful help.
Sue
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I can’t see a Brooks/Hough birth on GRO for George - there is a Thomas, though - who should be on the 1861 census.
Ara - heaven knows what that should really be - should be on 1861, too.
Jamjar
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Just found James Brooks 23 Weaver son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and Mary Hough 24 dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.
Births shows Esther Brooks Jun.qtr.1851 Chorlton - mmn Hough, and Mary Ann Brooks Mar.1854 Chorlton - mmn Hough. So both girls born Chorlton and not Stockport.
Feel sure this is the right family.
Hi Annette,
Oh that is looking more like it.
I have just found the marriage entry of Esther Brooks and Jacob Humphreys on Family search.
Has the actual page on Family search. She is 22 when she marries, she is living in Duke Street. The interesting thing is the Broomhead's were also living in and a round Duke Street.
One of the witnesses is Mary Ann Brookes, she has signed the page not used her X mark but then she could have learnt to sign her name.
But the other thing is she would have been Mary Ann Broomhead by then. Perhaps she had forgotten she had a new surname, after all it was only a week after her own marriage.
I need to go have some tea then come back and go through everything and see where this all leads to next
Thank you so much
Sue
Annette
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Can we back up a little please.
Is this the 1871 Census you have?
Sarah Ann Brooks 52 Widow born Oldham
Mary Ann Brooks 17 born Hulme****
George Brooks 15
Ara Brooks 14
When/where/who did Mary Ann marry?
Does her M/C has her Father as James?
Yes that is my Sarah and Mary Ann Brooks.
Mary Ann Brookes married William Joseph Broomhead 25 Dec 1875 in Hulme.
Mary Ann was aged 22 a spinster living at 8 Riga Street. Her father was James Brookes, occupation weaver.
It is on this certificate that Mary Ann's surname is spelt as Brookes.
Mary Ann signed with her X mark.
One of the witnesses was an Esther Brookes also signed with her X mark.
Could be a relation. I have looked for an Esther Brookes in the past but couldn't find any sort of a connection. But then I have not looked again for some years.
James Brooks 23 Weaver son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and
Mary Hough 24 dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.
Births shows
Esther Brooks Jun.qtr.1851 Chorlton - mmn Hough, and
Mary Ann Brooks Mar.1854 Chorlton - mmn Hough.
So both girls born Chorlton and not Stockport.
One thing I keep coming back to is this:
1861 Census - Chorlton upon Medlock
Mary Brooks Widow. 32 Framing Tenter Cotton Mill b. Stockport, Cheshire
Esther Brooks 9 (incorrectly transcribed as Catherine on FindMyPast) ditto
Mary A. Brooks 7 ditto
Well found Annette
On 1881 census Mary Ann Broomhead pob is given as C of M Manchester
The 2 witnesses to Mary Ann's marriage on 25/12/1875 were Jacob Humphreys and, as already mentioned, Esther Brookes. This couple married each other just 1 week later on 1/1/1876 and Esther shows her father as James Brookes, deceased.
The 1876 marriage mentioned above Esther Brookes signs her name and as you mentioned one of the witnesses is a Mary Ann BROOKES, she also signs her name - could it be the mother of Mary Ann Broomhead & Esther's or perhaps a sister in law :-\
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I also found a baptism on 15/4/1855 Manchester for an Esther Brooks, dau. of James and Mary. It's just a transcript on FindMyPast and no idea which church it was, nor the occupation of James. Was hoping to find Mary Ann baptised at the same time (late baptism for both) but no joy.
Esther BROOKS Birth 5 Feb 1851
Baptism 15 Apr 1855 Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father James Brooks occ Weaver Mother Mary, abode Manchester
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Mary Ann died 1914 and was buried on the 28 March 1914.
I was lucky enough to find her headstone on find a grave though it is not a very good photo plus the headstone looks like it could with a good clean.
Mary Ann BROOMHEAD
Birth unknown
Death 28 Mar 1914
Burial Southern Cemetery Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester
Plot L Consecrated 724
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158001571
note added by D Burgess also buried grave 724
Postion 1 Amy Broomhead
Postion 3 John Henry Broomhead
Postion 2 Mary Ann Broomhead
from Findagrave these details on the above Amy & John Henry Broomhead
Amy Broomhead
Birth unknown (GRO death indexes give her age as 0 and her 1886 birth entry mmn WOOD[/b])
Death 11 Nov 1886
Burial Southern Cemetery
Chorlton-Cum-Hardy, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
Plot L Consecrated 724
Marriage 7 Mar 1874 Manchester
John Henry BROOMHEAD age 28 / Mary Ann WOOD age 25 father Charles Wood
JHB & MAB (born Lincoln) can be found on 1881 census with their 4 children Piece: 3994 Folio: 30 Page Number: 3
John Henry Broomhead
Birth unknown (GRO death indexes give his age 78 (born c1844)
Death 26 Oct 1922
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Plot L Consecrated 724
from GRO indexes give the death age of the above Mary Ann is 63 (born c 1851)
Mary Ann BROOMHEAD age 63
1914 M Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 308
Do you have the 1914 death certificate of MAB to confirm this is your Mary Ann ?
There is is also this entry for a burial of a Mary Ann Broomhead
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158001572 (no headstone)
Mary Ann BROOMHEAD Age: 72 (born c 1854)
Burial 15 May 1926
Burial Place: Manchester, Greater Manchester
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section: V
Grave Number: 1547
Mary Ann BROOMHEAD age 72
1926 J Quarter in MANCHESTER SOUTH Volume 08D Page 45
Added there is also this burial - Is it MAB's husband?
William Joseph BROOMHEAD Age:68 (1849)
Burial 14 Jun 1917
Burial Manchester, Greater Manchester
Occupation: Labourer
Cemetery: Southern Cemetery
Cemetery Section: I
Grave Number: 685
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Just found James Brooks 23 Weaver son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and
Mary Hough 24 dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.
Births shows
Esther Brooks Jun.qtr.1851 Chorlton - mmn Hough, and
Mary Ann Brooks Mar.1854 Chorlton - mmn Hough.
So both girls born Chorlton and not Stockport.
Not sure about this marriage entry as Mary's father occ is a labourer
Mary BROOKES age 33 widow (made her mark)
married 27 Apr 1864 Hulme, St Mark, Manchester, Joseph GOODIER age 29 single father Josiah
Mary’s father was Jeremiah HOUGH, labourer
Joseph GOODIER
bapt 20 Aug 1866 Hulme, St Philip, Manchester,
Parents Joseph Goodier, labourer & Mary
Private Baptism., lived at 16 Matthew Street
Joseph GOODIER mmn HOUGH
1865 S Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 621
Josiah GOODIER
bapt 21 Jun 1868 Hulme, St Philip, Manchester
Parents: Joseph Goodier, labourer & Mary
8 Upper Medlock Street
Josiah GOODIER mmn HOUGH
1867 S Quarter in MANCHESTER Volume 08D Page 205
Josiah GOODIER Age 15 months, Croup
buried 7 Dec 1868 Hulme, St George, Lancashire
Parents Joseph & Mary Goodier
8 Medlock St
possible baptism
Mary HOUGH
bapt 3 Sep 1826 Cheadle Cheshire
Parents Jeremiah Hough occ labourer & Mary Ann
(from Chester BTs)
Added
1841 Census
Islington Street Cellar, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
Jeremiah Hough labourer
Mary Hough
Mary Hough back tenter
Thomas Hough
Sarah Hough
Elizabeth Hough
William Hough
1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
Jeremiah Hough Head Labourer Iron Foundry b Stockport, Cheshire,
Mary Ann Hough Wife b Stockport, Cheshire
Thomas Hough Son Labourer Iron Foundry b Stockport, Cheshire
Sarah Hough Dau Calico Weaver b Chorlton, Lancashire
Elizabeth Hough Dau - Scholar b Chorlton, Lancashire
William Hough Son - Scholar b Chorlton, Lancashire
One thing I keep coming back to is this:
1861 Census - Chorlton upon Medlock
Mary Brooks Widow. 32 Framing Tenter Cotton Mill b. Stockport, Cheshire
Esther Brooks 9 (incorrectly transcribed as Catherine on FindMyPast) ditto
Mary A. Brooks 7 ditto
Forgot to note exact details but found a Mary married to a James in Stockport in 1851 - no children yet, think it may have been under Brook on Ancestry. Sure she was a Tenter.
same address as Jeremiah HOUGH was living in 1851
This census is damaged and difficult to make out below is what was transcribed
1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
James Brook Head Marr. Smallware Dealer -
Mary Brook Wife Married Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill Stockport, Cheshire
Moderator comment: edited to remove cut and paste from subscription site index and transcription. This is a breach of their copyright – please DO NOT cut and paste from such indexes and transcriptions. Thank you.
EDIT
Apologies - didn't realise if details are not clear you can't post the transcript details
reference number given for 1851 census
HO107 Piece number 2220 - if you view the damaged record you can just make out
8 Waterhouse
Brook Head Mar........ occ small,
M wife..... frame tenter
1851c from familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYV-79P
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Mary Ann died 1914 and was buried on the 28 March 1914.
I was lucky enough to find her headstone on find a grave though it is not a very good photo plus the headstone looks like it could with a good clean.
I have now had a chance to lookup the other two people buried with this Mary Ann Broomhead.
She is not my Mary Ann.
The Mary Ann I though might be mine is buried with an Amy and John Henry Broomhead.
On the Lancs. BDM. An Amy died 1886 aged zero. She was born 1886 so only survived a month or so. On the births her mothers maiden name is Wood.
Found a marriage of a Mary Ann Wood to a John Henry Broomhead. So I can now cross this family off my list.
At least I have sorted that one out.
Many thanks
Sue
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Mary Ann BROOMHEAD Age: 72 (born c 1854)
Burial 15 May 1926
William Joseph BROOMHEAD Age:68 (1849)
Burial 14 Jun 1917
I had William but thought the other Mary Ann died 1914 was my Mary Ann. It looks very much like the one that died 1926 could possibly be my Mary Ann.
Thank you
Cheers
Sue
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Just found James Brooks 23 Weaver son of Thomas Brooks, farmer and
Mary Hough 24 dau. of Jeremiah Hough, Iron Dresser married 24/12/1850 Manchester.
Thank you Annette.
I will now digest everything and go online to find the family.
I was having trouble with the 1851 census. I know a lot of pages were damaged. The Broomhead family I am sure are on some of those pages.
I am sure you and everyone else have now helped me prove that the James and Mary Hough is the correct family. Would you believe it I also have the surname Gough in my mothers line.
I have a bit of work ahead of me with all this new info. and help.
Thank you and everyone who has taken the time to help.
Really appreciate everything you have done to put me on the right line.
Cheers
Sue
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1851 Census
Waterhouse Buildings, Manchester, Chorlton, Lancashire
James Brook Head Marr. Smallware Dealer -
Mary Brook Wife Married Frame Tenter In Cotton Mill Stockport, Cheshire
Thank you for the information.
I found the census page. Very difficult to read so will have a play around with it see if I can get some of cleared up a bit.
I may or may not have found a burial for James.
James Brooks was buried 2 Apr 1851 aged 27 Rushlome Chorlton, so about the right age and area.
His cause of death is interesting. Insanity. Has his abode as Prestwich. I take it that would have been where he was when he died and not where he had been living before he was admitted to either a workhouse or some kind of institution.
Which throws up a lot more questions.
Would there be any health records that would be available? Would love to know what happened to him.
I will investigate further.
Cheers
Sue
It's OK. I found it. James was admitted on the 15th Mar and died on the 29th. He was a publican. I doubt my James would have been a publican.
Another one crossed of the list.
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Hi everyone,
Just to update you all on the Brooks family.
With your help I have now got the right family.
The sister Esther was the clue in the marriage.
It had been many years since I had got the copy of that marriage.
As I come to each direct ancestor I am going back over my research and if possible trying to see if there is any further information as I type up each direct ancestor.
Mainly seeing if I can find the surnames of spouses that have not been recorded.
At last I can close that family off and get it all put together and move onto the next family.
I really appreciate all your help from everyone.
It is wonderful to know there are still many out there willing to help and share information, and in my case help put me on the right track other wise I could have entered up the wrong family and no one would have been the wiser.
Once I have all my information collated and handed over to the grandchildren I hope to get back into transcribing records again.
It would be nice to give something back for all the help I have had from so many people.
Thank all again.
I expect I may be back with another query.
Thank you all again
Cheers
Sue