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Title: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: suzilad on Sunday 02 February 20 18:40 GMT (UK)
Maria Crockett was born c 1847 in Kincardineshire Scotland and married John Moir there in 1864.
They had one son James .

In 1886 Maria married William Sinclair born in 1856 in Orphir Orkney I have them on the 1891 census living in Glasgow but can't find them after that.There is a possibility they may have gone to America according to family stories but where and when no one knows.

Any help appreciated .

suzilad
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 02 February 20 19:09 GMT (UK)
This must be your couple in 1890 19 Rosehall St Glasgow Scotland ? Did you find the step-son ?

Parish Glasgow St George ED 10 Page 3 Line 1

William Sinclair   35
Maria G Sinclair   44
James Moir   23 step-son born Montrose, Forfarshire. Draughtsman/Engineer.
Hugh P Lymburn 25

Sandra
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 02 February 20 19:13 GMT (UK)
James Moir 2 June 1867 stays in the UK - Finchley, Middlesex, England - Mechanic Draughtsman Retired -
2 daughters.

Sandra
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: suzilad on Sunday 02 February 20 19:22 GMT (UK)
Thank you Sandra thought he might have gone with them .

Yes that's Maria and William .
suzilad
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 03 February 20 08:45 GMT (UK)
Not having any enjoy finding this couple on passenger lists to USA or Canada so far.

Have you looked at this scenerio  ???

There is a death of a Maria Sinclair - Islington London - registered December 1898 - 1b 220
Maria was 52 years old.


Noticed a marriage for a William Sinclair to Elizabeth Adelaide Sims in Islington and registered December 1900 - 1b 699

This couple appear on the 1901 census 5 St Peter Street Islington London. Occupation would differ from the 1890 Scotland census for your William Sinclair.

William Sinclair   45 born Scotland. Insurance Agent
Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair   39
Henry Fred Sims   7
Ethel Mary Sims   5

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZR-X4R

1911 free index 155 Packington Street, Islington (interesting middle name for his son born 1903)

William Sinclair   55 born Orkney Scotland. Agent and Collector
Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair   49
Henry Frederick Sims   17 step-son
Ethel Mary Sims   15 step-son
William Robert Sinclair 8 son

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGM-JY7

Birth Redg William Robert Sinclair - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2F82-SJ7

The son William Robert Sinclair - born 1903 died January 1967 - aged 64 years -  St Pancras London - 5d 986

Burial Camden

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1869635

Food for thought anyway  ;)

Sandra
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: amondg on Monday 03 February 20 09:03 GMT (UK)
Mabel Alice Moir daughter of James and Mary Ann Moir nee Wood was a civil servant  and quite the traveller.
1927 travelling from Bombay back to England
1936 she travels to New York on the Queen Mary next of kin Mr and Mrs J Moir meeting a friend Sarah Holman, 228 Harrison Avenue, Mineola NY.
She is back in England for the 1939 register.

There is another trip to South Africa 1949 but I'm not sure its the same woman.

Never marries died 14 August 1977 England.
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: suzilad on Monday 03 February 20 09:47 GMT (UK)

  Thank you both for all this information.

I think you have cracked it Sandra- William Sinclair was the son of Robert Sinclair and Ann Clouston and it looks like the  old Scottish naming practice has been followed when naming his son,.William had many occupations over the years .
The ages for Maria and him are spot on she was born in 1847 and he in 1856.
Thank you both again.

suzilad
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 03 February 20 09:53 GMT (UK)
Thought it was worth a mention when I saw those records yesterday.  ;)

Sandra
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 03 February 20 09:59 GMT (UK)
Forgot you to put the link for deceased online and its not working for me at the moment but I did also see the burial for Maria Sinclair - 11 November 1898

Will try it again later.

Sandra

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1117381

https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=1117381
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 03 February 20 13:11 GMT (UK)

Noticed a marriage for a William Sinclair to Elizabeth Adelaide Sims in Islington and registered December 1900 - 1b 699

This couple appear on the 1901 census 5 St Peter Street Islington London. Occupation would differ from the 1890 Scotland census for your William Sinclair.

William Sinclair   45 born Scotland. Insurance Agent
Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair   39
Henry Fred Sims   7
Ethel Mary Sims   5

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9ZR-X4R

1911 free index 155 Packington Street, Islington (interesting middle name for his son born 1903)

William Sinclair   55 born Orkney Scotland. Agent and Collector
Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair   49
Henry Frederick Sims   17 step-son
Ethel Mary Sims   15 step-son
William Robert Sinclair 8 son

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGM-JY7

Birth Redg William Robert Sinclair - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2F82-SJ7


For info...

William Robert SINCLAIR   mmn FLEGG
1902  S Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 01B  Page 354   

Ethel Mary SIMS mmn FLEGG
1896  M Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 616

Henry Frederick SIMS mmn FLEGG 
1894  M Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01A  Page 619

Jun 1889   Marylebone    1a   1190   
Carter    Thomas       
Flegg    Elizabeth Adelaide       
Hallisay    Hannah       
Sims    Harry Spencer        (he died age 32 in 1896)
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: suzilad on Tuesday 04 February 20 16:11 GMT (UK)

 Thank you both for very much for this info.

I spent this morning at the library but didn't get very far I think William married a Florence Hall Howard in 1929 and they had a son Robert Howard Sinclair born in 1932  he died in 2003
 
Could not find a death for  William born in 1856 or Elizabeth Sims.

suzilad

Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 04 February 20 18:26 GMT (UK)

Could not find a death for  William born in 1856 or Elizabeth Sims.


1924 Electoral Register address 6 Manchester Mansions Islington
William, Elizabeth Adelaide & William Robert SINCLAIR also at that address is
Henry Frederick SIMS (Henry  married in 1924 Islington Winifred Daisy Clark)

Henry Frederick Sims age 49, Married, Auditor C P R
Birth Place:   England London
Nationality:   Canadian
Arrival Date:   3 Mar 1943
Arrival Place:   Ketchikan, Alaska, USA
Vessel:   Princess Norah

Winifred Daisy SIMS
age 77
Residence Place:   121 Lissington Dr. S.W. .
Death Date:   23 Aug 1978
Obituary Date:   25 Aug 1978
Obituary Place:   Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Spouse:   Henry F. Sims
Child:G. W
D
Siblings:   H Clark
M Jackson

Looks as if Henry's mother is living in Hertford with her married son
Not added full names as I do not know if the above are still living will send PM

Possible entry for her death from GRO indexes

SINCLAIR, ELIZABETH  ADELAIDE  age   89 
1950  D Quarter in ISLINGTON  Volume 05C  Page 1028
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 04 February 20 19:10 GMT (UK)
Could possibly narrow William Sinclair's death between 1929 - 1932 using entries from London Electoral Register

1918/19/21 living 64 Halton Street Islington
William , Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair & Henry Frederick Sims

1922 address 5 & 6 Manchester Mansions Islington
William , Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair & Henry Frederick Sims

1928 address 6 Manchester Mansions
William, Elizabeth Adelaide & William Robert Sinclair
1930 same address as above but no WRS but Ethel Mary Sims is with W & E

1931/32 address 99 Woodlands Avenue Finchley Barnet
Elizabeth Adelaide, Florence Susan & William Robert Sinclair also
Ethel Mary Sims

1934/35/36/37/38/39 address 55 Grosvenor Avenue Islington
Elizabeth Adelaide Sinclair & Ethel Mary Sims


EDITED - Removed deaths as wrong surname  ::) this is probably his death

Mar 1931   
Sinclair    William    age 74    Islington    1b   381   
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 04 February 20 21:57 GMT (UK)

I spent this morning at the library but didn't get very far I think William married a Florence Hall Howard in 1929 and they had a son Robert Howard Sinclair born in 1932  he died in 2003
 

His wife’s middle initial is S on 1929 marriage reg. her death

Florence Susan Sinclair died 98
Birth Date:   31 Jul 1898
Death registered Feb 1997 Barnet
Register Number:   A49D
District and Subdistrict:   2191A
Entry Number:   257

Florence Susan Sinclair
Burial or Cremation Date: 17 Feb 1997 Camden, London

Florence Susan Howard bn 31 7 1898
Baptism 4 Dec 1901   Battle Bridge All Saints, Islington
Father:   Edward Howard occ Pointsman ? GNR Mother:   Susan
2 siblings bpt same day
Title: Re: Maria Crockett/Moir and William Sinclair did they go to America?
Post by: suzilad on Wednesday 05 February 20 11:04 GMT (UK)


  Thank you for all this information just shows you can't believe everything you have been told about ancestors.

regards,
suzilad