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Hi,for many years on my tree I've got susanna loveless who married James smith,1841 census,goathill,Sherborne,Dorset.siblings Edward,Joseph,selina. And now I'm stuck wondering if susanna was loveless,from the tolpuddle martyrs.wounder if you could help me out on this one
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Have you actually got or seen the marriage cert?
Louisa Maud
ADDED,
Is this them, taken from Ancestry family trees
Susanna Loveless
to
James Smith
06/06/1814
at parish of Burton Bradstock
A check on baptisms might be a good idea
Louisa Maud
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Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
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The 1841 census does not of course state the relationship but Susan, as noted was a widow in 1851. So maybe this is the marriage below.
Name James Smith
Spouse Susannah Loveless
Marriage 06/06/1814 Burton-Bradstock Dorset
The 1851 census notes Susan as 56. The only birth record I can find poses a problem?
Name Susanna Lovelace
Mother Eliz Lovelace
Father Willm Lovelace
Baptism 25/12/1792 Bridport Dorset
Colin
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George Loveless one of the Tolpuddle Marty’s was baptised 26 Feb 1797 Tolpuddle, Dorset Parents Thomas & Dinah. Tolpuddle is some 20 miles from Bridport.
Colin
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George Loveless (one of the Martyrs) emigrated to Canada.
James Loveless (another Martyr) also emigrated to Canada.
See: https://www.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk/meet-martyrs
A downloadable Family Tree is available from that page - scroll to the bottom of the page.
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Susannah Lovelace Bapt 29 Apr 1787 Tolpuddle to Thomas/Dinah
1861 Census
James Smith, 70
Susan Smith, 72, born Tolpuddle, Dorset
1851 Census
James Smith 60
Susan Smith 62 same pob
1841 Census
Somerset
James Smith 50
Susannah Smith 50
Joseph Smith 15
Edward Smith 15
Selina Smith 13
Another child;
Maximilion Loveless Smith christened 02 MAY 1815 Wesleyan, Axminster, Devon
(Source Familysearch.Org)
On Census he is born c 1815 Burton Bradstock Dorset
He married Ann LEGG
Interestingly there is a Legg Family next to James/Susanna 1851 Census
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Marriage; 04 Apr 1786
Thomas LOVELESS to Diana STRICKLAND
I think Diana was buried 12 Jul 1809 (no age given)and Thomas 31 Jan 1838 age 76 (1762)
I havent downloaded the PDF but on that site is a error.
Dinah Jnr married Thomas STANFIELD 29 Sep 1812, Susanna Loveless was a witness.
Site has Dinah as 1798-1865
She was Bapt 22 Feb 1789***
Thomas/Diana Bapt;
JOHN 1786
SUSANNAH 1787
DINAH 1789
MARY 1790
THOMAS 1792
WILLIAM 1794
GEORGE 1797
ROBERT 1800
JAMES 1808
Possible SAMUEL 1803 but Father as Samuel (a mistake?) Mother Diana)
All info on FreeREG unless otherwise stated
Trish :)
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Have you actually got or seen the marriage cert?
Louisa Maud
ADDED,
Is this them, taken from Ancestry family trees
Susanna Loveless
to
James Smith
06/06/1814
at parish of Burton Bradstock
A check on baptisms might be a good idea
Louisa Maud
yes that's the ones I've got in my tree
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Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
yes they are the children
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Yes they are the children
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So susanna smith from goathill 1841married to James smith,is the same people married in burton bradstock
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Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
yes
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Have you actually got or seen the marriage cert?
Louisa Maud
ADDED,
Is this them, taken from Ancestry family trees
Susanna Loveless
to
James Smith
06/06/1814
at parish of Burton Bradstock
A check on baptisms might be a good idea
Louisa Maud
yes that's the ones I've got in my tree
Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
Have you actually got or seen the marriage cert?
Louisa Maud
ADDED,
Is this them, taken from Ancestry family trees
Susanna Loveless
to
James Smith
06/06/1814
at parish of Burton Bradstock
A check on baptisms might be a good idea
Louisa Maud
yes that's the ones I've got in my tree
it says both from the same parish,burton bradstock
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Yes it says Susanne loveless and James smith both from the same parish,burton bradstock
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Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
yes
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Are they the couple who marry on 6th June 1814 at Burton Bradstock? Susanna transcribed as Lovelass.
Have you looked for a baptism for her to find her father?
Are Edward, Joseph and Selina her children or her siblings?
yes
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I have traced my family back to Selina Smith of Burton Bradstock and think she was baptised in Axminster on 3rd june 1818 and born on 30 Nov 1816. She is listed as Celena Smith, daughter of James and Susan Smith of Burton in Dorset. I have found Susannah Lovelass married to James Smith 6 Jun 1814 as others have, and a baptism on 25th December 1792 to William and Elizabeth. They are in the 1841 census of Bradpole, Bridport in 1841. I have not been able to link this Lovelass (Lovelace) family to Tolpuddle but it was a family comment by my grandmother that we are related to the Tolpuddle Martyrs. The only Susan Smith, James Smith I can find in other censuses are in Weymouth where Susan is listed as from Tolpuddle so do not know if they are the same.
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Susannah Lovelace Bapt 29 Apr 1787 Tolpuddle to Thomas/Dinah
1861 Census
James Smith, 70
Susan Smith, 72, born Tolpuddle, Dorset
1851 Census
James Smith 60
Susan Smith 62 same pob
1841 Census
Somerset
James Smith 50
Susannah Smith 50
Joseph Smith 15
Edward Smith 15
Selina Smith 13
Another child;
Maximilion Loveless Smith christened 02 MAY 1815 Wesleyan, Axminster, Devon
(Source Familysearch.Org)
On Census he is born c 1815 Burton Bradstock Dorset
He married Ann LEGG
Interestingly there is a Legg Family next to James/Susanna 1851 Census
I believe the 1841 census above at Goathill, Somerset is the wrong family - their children baptised at Sherborne and believe that this couple are the James Smith and Susan Cevil who married at Sherborne 30/3/1823.
As you rightly say, Chillerman, in 1841 James Smith and Susan(nah) nee Lovelass are in Bradpole, Bridport in 1841 with 2 children - Selena 21 and James 15.
As Celena Smith their daughter baptised at Axminster, Devon in 1818 (of Burton, Dorset) and, as already mentioned on this thread, a son Maximillion was also baptised at Axminster in 1815, both in a non-conformist church. Son James was bp.22/8/1824 Burton Bradstock, plus a daughter Jane in 1829 (whom I'm assuming must have died as can find no further trace of her).
Again, as already mentioned, Susannah was baptised as Susannah Lovelace 29/4/1787 at Tolpuddle, dau. of Thomas and Diana (her brother George being one of the Tolpuddle Martyrs) so your grandmothers comment, Chillerman, was correct.
As 1851 and 1861 census show (Melcombe Regis, Weymouth) James Smith was born in Burton Bradstock and Susannah Lovelass/var. was born in Tolpuddle.
The other James and Susanna who were at Goathill, Somerset in 1841 - Susanna was nee Cevil and baptised 1790 in Sherborne. James is shown to have been born in Somerset (born in county, yes) but wife and 3 children were not (all born in Sherborne, Dorset).
Annette
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Thanks for clearing that all up Annette :)
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Annette
As we have both found a baptism of Susannah Smith, one in Burton Bradstock (1792) and one in Tolpuddle (1787) is there any way she could have been baptised twice with different parents? or are they different people? James is a labourer in 1841 and a mason in 1851 and 1861 so that could follow.
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Short answer - no!
One Susannah married in Sherborne and her children baptised there, the other Susannah married in Burton Bradstock and was born in Tolpuddle, lived in Burton Bradstock until at least 1829 with 2 children baptised Axminster and 2 in Burton Bradstock.
The Sherborne Susannah was nee Cevil and the Burton Bradstock Susannah was nee Lovelass.
I don't know what to say to make it any clearer.
The Susannah in Goathill, Somerset was buried there 18/10/1843. Her husand James was an Ag. Lab. in 1841 - don't know what happened to him after his wife's death but children remained in Goathill.
Annette