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Title: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 04:05 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Looking to see if anyone has any information on the McCarthy Family.
Joseph McCarthy born 1883, Married to Catherine Murphy 15 oct 1907.
Had a son named John McCarthy b 1919 who moved to England. Any other info anyone may know about?
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 06 February 20 07:31 GMT (UK)


Civil Reg  Birth results for mccarty
Area - Wexford mother Murphy

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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/advanced-civil.jsp




Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 09:08 GMT (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat  :)

The marriage in 1907.

Party 1 Name   JOSEPH MCCARTHY
Party 2 Name   CATHERINE MURPHY
Date of Event   15 October 1907
SR District/Reg Area   Waterford

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10110/5678657.pdf

KG

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 06 February 20 09:20 GMT (UK)


should have had coffee first...  ;D

 Birth results for mccarty
Area - Waterford mother Murphy

LINK  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p00/



Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 09:31 GMT (UK)
1911 Irish census
Residents of a house 23 in Barrack Street (Waterford No. 3 Urban, Waterford)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Waterford_No__3_Urban/Barrack_Street/672816/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003506082/

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: dathai on Thursday 06 February 20 10:11 GMT (UK)
Edward Gough wife's nephew
156
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02016/1774037.pdf

parents marriage 1898
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10438/5801044.pdf

1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__5/Ballybricken_Green__Pt__of_/1762849/
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: dathai on Thursday 06 February 20 10:38 GMT (UK)
possibly enumerated twice
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Waterford_Urban_No__3/Greens_Lane/1764534/

Thomas Goff died 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05751/4624288.pdf
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: dathai on Thursday 06 February 20 10:46 GMT (UK)
Catherine Mc Carthy 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01599/1642807.pdf

Maurice 1911
491
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01508/1612679.pdf
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 10:54 GMT (UK)
....and Patrick 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01428/1586099.pdf

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 10:58 GMT (UK)
Can anyone read his father James occupation?
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: dathai on Thursday 06 February 20 11:18 GMT (UK)
Bridget Goff died 1903 with Kate as informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05660/4593676.pdf
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: dathai on Thursday 06 February 20 11:26 GMT (UK)
Sinann it might be a groom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostler

on the same page as Joseph's marriage there is a marriage for James though different address his father also James a groom
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1907/10110/5678657.pdf
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 11:51 GMT (UK)
Excellent dathai, when I tried to google it I kept getting results in French.
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 14:06 GMT (UK)
Wow thanks all so much. Has been very difficult trying to track birthdates etc, John McCarthy himself didn't know his birthdate! Much appreciated  :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 14:16 GMT (UK)
Also, any info on a John McCarthy?

b. i believe 1919 30 Dec
d. 1 April 1967.
He moved to West Bromwich Staffs Eng. Married Lillian Painter.

I've tried a number of searches, but obviously, you guys are way more well versed in doing this than I am ;D ;D

thanks
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 14:42 GMT (UK)
Their marriage

Painter (Lilian M)   to   McCarthy (John)  West Bromwich  Oct-Dec 1948  9b 2011

Available from: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 16:08 GMT (UK)
Dec 1919 births are possibly registered under 1920 so won't be released until next year.
The only John McCarthy showing for Dec 1919 doesn't have a mother's maiden name of Murphy and isn't available to view yet.

Still no luck find Joseph's birth or 1901 Census.

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 06 February 20 16:10 GMT (UK)
Also, any info on a John McCarthy?

b. i believe 1919 30 Dec
d. 1 April 1967.
He moved to West Bromwich Staffs Eng. Married Lillian Painter.

I've tried a number of searches, but obviously, you guys are way more well versed in doing this than I am ;D ;D

thanks

That is where you have a problem!  Born 2 days before New Year, in that his Birth was most likely Registered in early 1920 and only Registered Births up to end of 1919 are online!

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 06 February 20 16:15 GMT (UK)


One can get a photocopy for Ä4.00

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 16:22 GMT (UK)


One can get a photocopy for Ä4.00

https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

....and they will e-mail the record to you.  ;D

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 16:51 GMT (UK)
What cert should be ordered?
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 17:15 GMT (UK)
Dec 1919 births are possibly registered under 1920 so won't be released until next year.
The only John McCarthy showing for Dec 1919 doesn't have a mother's maiden name of Murphy and isn't available to view yet.

Still no luck find Joseph's birth or 1901 Census.

Thank you so much for looking :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 17:16 GMT (UK)
Also, any info on a John McCarthy?

b. i believe 1919 30 Dec
d. 1 April 1967.
He moved to West Bromwich Staffs Eng. Married Lillian Painter.

I've tried a number of searches, but obviously, you guys are way more well versed in doing this than I am ;D ;D

thanks

That is where you have a problem!  Born 2 days before New Year, in that his Birth was most likely Registered in early 1920 and only Registered Births up to end of 1919 are online!

Ahh that makes it all make more sense! thank you  :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 17:49 GMT (UK)

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Application-Form-post-in-English.pdf

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1MH-LYW

Click Document Information for page number.

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 18:33 GMT (UK)

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx

http://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Application-Form-post-in-English.pdf

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F1MH-LYW

Click Document Information for page number.

KG


Could this be the 1919 Dec birth for John McCarthy with mother's maiden name McCarthy.

I'm a bit concerned because this couple don't appear to have any children after 1913, could they have moved?
Something just doesn't feel right...
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 18:52 GMT (UK)
Sinann,
From the transcript of the register entry.

Child
Name   John McCarthy
Date of Birth   30 December 1919
Sex   Male
Place of Birth   Parliament St. Hospital
Mother
Forename   Catherine
Surname   McCarthy
Birth Surname   Murphy
Father
Forename   Joseph
Surname   McCarthy
Address   125 Barrack St.
Informant
Forename   Catherine
Surname   McCarthy
Qualification   Mother
Address   Barrack St.
Signature   Catherine McCarthy
Other Information
Group Registration ID   1734625
Registrar   P. Purcell
Registered in District/Office   Waterford Urban No.2
SR District/Reg Area   Waterford
Registration County   Co. Waterford
Date of Registration   22/03/1920

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 19:07 GMT (UK)
Also, any info on a John McCarthy?

b. i believe 1919 30 Dec
d. 1 April 1967.
He moved to West Bromwich Staffs Eng. Married Lillian Painter.

I've tried a number of searches, but obviously, you guys are way more well versed in doing this than I am ;D ;D

thanks

That is where you have a problem!  Born 2 days before New Year, in that his Birth was most likely Registered in early 1920 and only Registered Births up to end of 1919 are online!

John 1919, registered 1920.
https://tinyurl.com/vq4e28p

KG
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 19:14 GMT (UK)
Also, any info on a John McCarthy?

b. i believe 1919 30 Dec
d. 1 April 1967.
He moved to West Bromwich Staffs Eng. Married Lillian Painter.

I've tried a number of searches, but obviously, you guys are way more well versed in doing this than I am ;D ;D

thanks

That is where you have a problem!  Born 2 days before New Year, in that his Birth was most likely Registered in early 1920 and only Registered Births up to end of 1919 are online!

John 1919, registered 1920.
https://tinyurl.com/vq4e28p

KG

Brilliant! Thank you, was confused at first as it said motherís birth surname was McCarthy but clicked on the transcript and it said Murphy, Iím sure my family will be pleased  :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 19:18 GMT (UK)
Where is the transcript from?

So is the thinking the mother's maiden name has been incorrectly put as McCarthy on Irish Genealogy.


Oh sorry I see it now, never saw a transcript like that before
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 19:21 GMT (UK)
Where is the transcript from?

So is the thinking the mother's maiden name has been incorrectly put as McCarthy on Irish Genealogy.


Oh sorry I see it now, never saw a transcript like that before

Mother's Birth name is wrong.... it should be Murphy.


Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 19:27 GMT (UK)
Now off you go and figure out where Joseph popped up from in 1907 :D
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 19:34 GMT (UK)
Now off you go and figure out where Joseph popped up from in 1907 :D

It's a difficult one, Sinann   ;D ;D
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 19:38 GMT (UK)
Now off you go and figure out where Joseph popped up from in 1907 :D

It's a difficult one, Sinann   ;D ;D

I know. I'm blaming my head cold, I'm a bit more daft this week than usual
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 20:25 GMT (UK)
Had it in my head that Joseph was born June 1883, not sure where Iíve got that idea as 1911 census only says he was 28 at the time, time to start searching again!🤯🤯
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 21:55 GMT (UK)
He says in 1911 he was born in Waterford City
The only birth is a Joseph McCarthy born 1882 but the father is William, mother Elizabeth Lambert, the only way this could be correct is if the 1907 marriage cert is incorrect and his father is not James.

Its possible the church record of his marriage has his mother's name recorded but that isn't online, a transcript might be on RootsIreland but that is a subscription site.

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 06 February 20 22:09 GMT (UK)
He says in 1911 he was born in Waterford City
The only birth is a Joseph McCarthy born 1882 but the father is William, mother Elizabeth Lambert, the only way this could be correct is if the 1907 marriage cert is incorrect and his father is not James.

Its possible the church record of his marriage has his mother's name recorded but that isn't online, a transcript might be on RootsIreland but that is a subscription site.

found the following on rootsireland, so am going to double-check other josephs. Will question whether the family could've come from different areas too.

Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: hallmark on Thursday 06 February 20 22:21 GMT (UK)



...at all times allowing for Birth never having been registered.


Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 06 February 20 22:27 GMT (UK)
found the following on rootsireland, so am going to double-check other josephs. Will question whether the family could've come from different areas too.

This has already been found in reply #2
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 22:56 GMT (UK)
found the following on rootsireland, so am going to double-check other josephs. Will question whether the family could've come from different areas too.

This has already been found in reply #2

This is the church record with the mother's names
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 06 February 20 22:58 GMT (UK)
Marriage 1869 James McCarthy and Catherine Morrissey
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1869/11423/8196252.pdf

Catherine has an occupation which can indicate she was not living at home, the city may not be where she was born

You can check RootsIreland for baptisms.
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Phase78 on Saturday 03 October 20 10:30 BST (UK)
Their marriage

Painter (Lilian M)   to   McCarthy (John)  West Bromwich  Oct-Dec 1948  9b 2011

Available from: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

KG

I believe John and Lilian McCarthy had four children. Any info on them please?
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: mccarthyhan on Thursday 15 October 20 20:37 BST (UK)
Their marriage

Painter (Lilian M)   to   McCarthy (John)  West Bromwich  Oct-Dec 1948  9b 2011

Available from: https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

KG

I believe John and Lilian McCarthy had four children. Any info on them please?

Hi, yes, John and Lillian's son is my Grandfather, who is still alive. They had 6 Children I believe . :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Phase78 on Thursday 15 October 20 21:17 BST (UK)
Hi, that makes my uncle John McCarthy your great grandfather. Small world!  :)
Title: Re: McCarthy Family
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 16 October 20 10:11 BST (UK)
They had 6 Children I believe . :)

They may have had eight children, across the registration districts of Birmingham, West Bromwich and Wednesbury between 1949 and 1963.
Check out https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

KG