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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: BeeMack on Saturday 08 February 20 10:04 GMT (UK)
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I have found d out my G G Grandfather Patrick Woods ran a pub / grocer at 12 Barrack Street Keady
I cannot find Barrack Street anywhere I have searched in old free Directories but its lists his name and the address .
I would love to find ot the name of this pub and where in Keady it would have been.
Both he and his wife.died very young and it took nearly 10 years for my g grandfather to inherit despite being of full age. It sounds like there was a dispute
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https://goo.gl/maps/eBVfryp3i8QEHaKo9
Sorry - this one is in Armagh :-\
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Have a look at https://apps.spatialni.gov.uk/PRONIApplication/
Put Keady in the search bar.
I don't see a Barrack Street, but you don't give any dates. :-\
KG
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I have found d out my G G Grandfather Patrick Woods ran a pub / grocer at 12 Barrack Street Keady
I cannot find Barrack Street anywhere I have searched in old free Directories but its lists his name and the address .
I would love to find ot the name of this pub and where in Keady it would have been.
Both he and his wife.died very young and it took nearly 10 years for my g grandfather to inherit despite being of full age. It sounds like there was a dispute
Is this the correct Patrick Woods?
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Patrick Woods late of Keady County Armagh Publican who died 6 July 1877 at same place were granted [30 Mar.1893] at Armagh to James Woods of Keady Publican the Son. Effects £56 6s.
There is no indication that there was any sort of dispute from this Will Extract. Patrick Woods didn't leave a Will but in 1893 his son James applied and was granted administration of Patrick's estate. This does not mean that son James inherited the pub or anything else. If there is no valid Will then the law designates who inherits (spouse, children, parents, etc. depending on the nearest relatives). Since it was just over £50 perhaps no one bothered sorting anything out until some other event meant this needed to do done. Did anyone in the family die in or before 1893 that could have caused this? (Patrick's widow for example)
There is a Will online for this man- see https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
The Will (with one Codicil) of Owen Woods formerly of Keady and late of Lagan both County Armagh Retired Publican who died 16 November 1895 at Lagan was proved at Armagh by Lawrence M'Shane and Patrick Waters both of Keady Merchants the Executors.
Note: Owen Woods' premises was in Bridge St., Keady
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Have you searched through the Valuation Revision Books yet? you should be able to find the location from there. I suspect 'Barrack Street' would be near the police barracks in Keady.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=252300.msg1397708#msg1397708
Since James Woods returned to Ireland around 1894 then that could well be the reason he applied to administer his father Patrick's estate in 1893.
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Sorry I forgot the dates we are talking about the 1870s or earlier. I have found him in directors there from the 1860s and 1870s I
That is the very man. I can find him in 12 Barrack Street from 1850 up until his death in 1877 (Death Cert states 187i8)
Most of the children who ranged from teenagers to adults went to America separately even the 14 year old travelled on their own. Some I cant trace.
There was.always a family rumour that there was an argument over a will about.land. but.appeats to be a pub and you know what family rumours are like.
The James Woods in the will is my G Grrandfather. Like the rest of his family he went to New York but came back when his children were small to Dundalk. Where he ran a fruit and veg stall and shop for decades.
It is interesting that he applied in 1893. He.works as a cab driver in New york at that time and things were not going well. There was a strike and he lost his home I am thinking he applied for funds so he could use the money to pay for his family to return to Ireland
Thank you everyone for your help does anyone know where the old police station would have been in Keady ?
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Letters of Administration granted in March 1893 but not sure from extract how long before the actual application would have been.
Haven't been able to get a street address for the barracks but perhaps someone with local knowledge will have an idea. There are pictures of the barracks on this Facebook page- apparently 'beside the mart' [market]
https://www.facebook.com/groups/112396417256/
The Corner House pub is on the corner of Market St. (that was Woods at a time) and Owen Woods had (1895) pub on Bridge St. which is in same general area as the diamond and new library.
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if you search the national archives of Ireland, click on census, browse census for 1901, then click Armagh,then Keady town there is a Thomas Woods age 59 a merchant & publician living in house 5 Bridge St. I f you look further down to house 19 there is a property with multiple occupants only identified by initials, could this be the Barracks?
No woods family in Bridge st in 1911 census but there is still a property with multiple occupants ,all male and from all areas of Ireland.
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if you search the national archives of Ireland, click on census, browse census for 1901, then click Armagh,then Keady town there is a Thomas Woods age 59 a merchant & publician living in house 5 Bridge St. I f you look further down to house 19 there is a property with multiple occupants only identified by initials, could this be the Barracks?
No woods family in Bridge st in 1911 census but there is still a property with multiple occupants ,all male and from all areas of Ireland.
Thomas Woods in household #5 on Bridge St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Keady_Town/Bridge_Street/1014600/
#19 on the form is the barracks so barracks was Bridge St.-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000383571/
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Mary Anne Woods, publican, Bridge St. in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Keady_Urban/Bridge_Street/323010/
barracks in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Keady_Urban/Bridge_Street/323023/
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Yes I have a Mary Anne Woods Patrick Woods and Sarah Woods (Cunningham) s daughter I will check dates. I never knew what became of her I will check. Thank you so much
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That's a different Mary Anne Woods. The one in census link was widow of Thomas (d.1906) and his father was also Thomas (d.bef.1877)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1877/11132/8075927.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Keady_Town/Bridge_Street/1014600/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05573/4564913.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Keady_Town/Bridge_Street/1014600/
Found the following children for Thomas Woods & Mary Ann Murtagh-
1. Annie Cahill Woods (9 Apr.1878 Keady-aft.1911)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02968/2087119.pdf
2. Mary Clare Franciss Woods (10 Aug.1880 Keady)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02865/2049491.pdf
3. John Joseph Woods (4 Jan.1884 Keady)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02705/1995841.pdf
4. Ellie C/Ellen Clare Woods (6 June 1887 Keady-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02563/1947711.pdf
Based on the names of the 2nd daughter Bernard Woods, merchant, might also be connected-
Mary Francis Clare Woods (c1888) m.(1908) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1908/10068/5662233.pdf
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Administration of the estate of Thomas Woods late of Keady County Armagh Merchant who died 21 March 1906 granted at Armagh to Mary Anne Woods the Widow. Effects £2,020 17s. 6d.
Letters of Administration of Mary Anne Woods late of Keady, widow, who died 22 February 1918 granted at Armagh to John Jose0ph Woods, Church Hill, Clones, Co. Monaghan, electrical engineer. Effects: £220 16s 2d.
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Ok I think I need to apologise I think I have made GIGANTIC MISTAKE !!
Its NOT Barrack Street
I checked all the directory records for Keady
All list Patrick Woods public Grocer in Keady but no address
The 2 that say they are for Keady with Barrack Street are NOT Keady when I turned back to pages to double check they were for Belfast and that was a different Patrick Woods
It looks like MY Patrick woods could be anywhere in Keady (Death cert just says Keady for both himself and his wife)
I will look into the records at Bridge Street Thomas or Owen Or Mary could be related I need to check it out I will have a look at Bridge Street and see if I can link in.
Again I am REALLY SORRY.
This is what I know about the Family for certain
Patrick Woods (abt 1825 - 1878). Publican Grocer in Keady
Rumours were they also owned a funeral parlour next door. I have never found any evidence
Wife : Sarah (née Cunningham) Abt 1836 - 1884
Children
James Woods (1866-1941) went New York with his Wife Kate Woods (Née Rice) Returned to Dundalk with 1 child and settled there
Bernard Woods 1868-? No information
Mary Anne Woods (1869-?) No Information
Patrick Woods (1870-1958) Emmigrated and Settled in New York
Bridget (Delia) Woods (1872 -1953) Emmigrated and Settled in New York
Michael Woods ( 1874 - ?) No Information
Margaret Woods (1875 -?) No Information
The children were young when their father Patrick died and their Mother died 6 years later.
I am sorry for my mistake about Barrack Street Thank you for your help
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I did find this
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I have also Just found this in the 1851 Census. For the address it gives a B and T Woods at the Corner House I sonder if there coukd be a link