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Hi I Am looking for info on the following families Please. William Joseph Phelan, from Waterford Ireland immigrated to America 1882, married Agnes McGrath, Children Edward J, born C1888, married Sude Etheredge, William J, born 1890, and Robert born 1895 married Margaret ?
William's brother John E immigrated C 1883, married Lucy E Cremer they had nine (9) children Robert, C1886, Edward 1887? Lucius married Alice Whittaker
John R born July 1891, ? Phelan born 1893 George W, 1897,
Charles C 1900 Desmond born 1902 and Mary Phelan, born ? J B
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Family search has lots of USA records and is free to register and search - lots available.
Marriage of Edward J Phelan - 30 June 1935 Los Angeles, California.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8JK-MYL
1940 census Councilmanic District 2, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Township, Los Angeles, California.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9H4-6C1
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California Voters List - Mrs Suda.Lec Phelan - Residence Date 1940 Street address 4816 Fountain av
Residence Place Los Angeles, California. Occupation Nurse. Edward J Phelan - Credit Manager.
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WW2 Draft records birth of Edward Joseph Phelan as 22 December 1888 Missouri.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V4D4-3FX
WW1 Draft
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZKM-FGF
Sandra
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This is probably Edward Phelan divorced in 1930 - Los Angeles (Districts 0251-0500), Los Angeles, California.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCVK-4RB
Freida C Phelan in 1930 with same 2 children listed on 1920 census below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XCFP-J78
1920 census San Francisco Assembly District 27, San Francisco, California
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH44-YVH
This Obituary fits Edward J Phelan on the 1920 census above - 16 November 1955
The San Francisco Examiner San Francisco, California 16 Nov 1955, Wed Page 55
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153339/obituary_for_edward_j_phelan/
Phyllis C Demartini - Phyllis C Farmer - Birth Date 12 Apr 1892 Missouri
Death Date 12 Jun 1950 - Death Place San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name Laferre - Father's Surname Farmer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VP77-X82
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Phyllis Freida Clementine Farmer DeMartini - 1892 - 1950
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44390251
had remarried to Stephen J DeMartini 1890 - 1975
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/44390283/stephen-j-demartini
Sandra
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1900 census Lucky Street St Louis Ward 26, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri.
Wm S Phelan 35
Agnes D Phelan 35
Edw Phelan 12
Wm S Phelan 9
Robt Phelan 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M3DZ-LG4
1910 census Cate Brillante Avenue St Louis Ward 26, Saint Louis City, Missouri.
William Phelan 48 born Ireland. Second Marriage. Carpenter.
Mary H Phelan 40 born Arkansas.
Edw J Phelan 22
William J Phelan Jr. 20
Robert Phelan 15
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M211-BD8
Sandra
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St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 28 Nov 1912, Thu Page 17
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153495/obituary_for_william_phelan/
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William J Phelan - November 1912
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406949
Death Certificate - born 24 December 1861 - father and mother listed.
https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1912/1912_00038119.PDF
Sandra
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Could this be first wife Agnes Phelan - died 1900
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406730/agnes-phelan
St. Louis Globe-Democrat St. Louis, Missouri 26 Aug 1900, Sun Page 12 (burial permit)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153560/agnes_phelan/
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Robert Joseph Phelan boirn 15 March 1895 - - WW1 Draft -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3T9-Q21
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United States, Veterans Administration Master Index, 1917-1940 Robert Joseph Phelan - 15 March 1895 - 17 March 1971 - military service - 3 Mar 1919.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7T3L-4FT2
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Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406928
Sandra
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Death Certificate - William Joseph Phelan - 28 January 1967 St Louis Missouri - wife Clara A Phelan - father William J Phelan and mother Agnes McGrath.
https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1967/1967_00004737.PDF
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Resurrection Cemetery Affton, St. Louis County, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47895022
1930 census shows William, wife and child,
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XHJ5-97K
1940 census Ward 23, St. Louis, St. Louis City, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K7HZ-3KP
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St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 31 Jan 1967, Tue Page 14
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153730/william_j_phelan_31_january_1967/
Sandra
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Obituary for Clara Phelan wife of William J Phelan Jnr - St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 26 Nov 1985, Tue Page 9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153753/clara_a_phelan_26_november_1985/
SSDI - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JLG1-YY6
Sandra
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Edward C Forster - St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 30 Apr 1981, Thu Page 50
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153806/edward_c_forster_30_april_1981/
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Vera Forster.
Jefferson Barracks National Cemetery Lemay, St. Louis County, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/81305811
Sandra
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1910 census John and Lucy with children - Folsom Avenue St Louis Ward 13, Saint Louis City, Missouri.
John E Phelan 45 Lucy Phelan 44
Lucina Phelan 22 John R Phelan 18
George W Phelan 13 Charles C Phelan 10
Desmond J Phelan 8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M21V-MXB
1920 census Shaw Avenue St Louis Ward 13, St Louis (Independent City), Missouri.
John E Phelan 54
Lucy Phelan 54
Desmond J Phelan 18
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8ZF-H9W
1930 census East 49 St Manhattan, New York.
John Phelan 66
Lucy Phelan 64
Jay Desmon Phelan 28
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X428-4PP
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Death Notice John E Phelan - St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 30 Oct 1938, Sun Page 35
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153918/obituary_for_john_e_phelan/
St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 29 Oct 1938, Sat Page 5 (builder of St Louis Fair in 1904)
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44153949/j_e_phelan_29_october_1938/
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Lucy Phelan - 1943
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406860
John E Phelan
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406832/john-e-phelan
St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 19 Mar 1943, Fri Page 25
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44158372/lucy_phelan_19_march_1943/
Sandra
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Charles Phelan son of John and Lucy -
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Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406755
Death Certificate - https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1921/1921_00010181.PDF
Sandra
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George W Phelan son of John and Lucy -
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George W Phelan- 1954
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406803
Death Certificate - https://www.sos.mo.gov/images/archives/deathcerts/1954/1954_00017540.PDF
Obituary - St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 24 May 1954, Mon Page 26
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44154068/obituary_for_george_w_phelan_aged_54/
Sandra
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Josephine Patricia E. Phelan - 24 December 1908 - August 1976 -
Calvary Cemetery and Mausoleum Saint Louis, St. Louis City, Missouri.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/47406849
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Obituary Patricia Phelan - St. Louis Post-Dispatch St. Louis, Missouri 31 Aug 1976, Tue Page 18
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44154473/patricia_phelan/
Sandra
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Hi Sandra many thanks Jim
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Lucius Edward Phelan.
Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 15 Mar 1954, Mon Page 36
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44158291/lucius_edward_phelan__15_march_1954/
Sandra
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Twenty-three consecutive posts without any intervening posts by anyone else - is that a record?
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Had a few free hours earlier, just kept bashing on Erato.
1920 census Pallister Street Detroit Ward 8, Wayne, Michigan.
L Edward Phelan 32 Alice Phelan 30
Gerald E Phelan 6 Robert Phelan 1
Chester Phelan 19 George Phelan 22
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZW8-W66
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Gerard E Phelan - son of Lucius and Alice
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Gerald E Phelan - 1913 - 1984
burial - Oakland Cemetery Yonkers, Westchester County, New York.
Plot Oak Grove Section Lot 424
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/199322362
Sandra
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Robert Donald Phelan - 29 June 1918 - 5 March 2010
Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 18 Mar 2010, Thu Page 18
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44160084/obituary_for_robert_donald_19182010/
Sandra
Added - FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137591358
Ann T Taylor Phelan -
New Calvary Cemetery Midland, Midland County, Michigan.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/137591225/ann-t-phelan
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Obituary for Ann Taylor Phelan (above) wife of Robert Donald Phelan -
Detroit Free Press Detroit, Michigan 29 Oct 2002, Tue Page 64
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44160375/ann_phelan_29_october_2002/
Sandra
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for John's family:
Probate Court, Clermont County, Ohio
marriage
Johen E Phelan and Lucy Cramer
22 Aug 1885
by Hamer? Norris, JP
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZR5-VFH
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Birth
John Randall Phelan
15 July 1891, Lima, Allen County, Ohio
prents: John Earnest Phelan and Lucy Cremer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X64F-29X
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Birth - Registered in Clermont County, Ohio
Chester Pfelan
27 July 1899
place of birth: Ludlow, Kenton County, Kentucky
parents: John Phelan and Lucy Cramer
residence of parents: unreadable, maybe Obanion Post Office. see attached image.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XDRD-L77
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1900 Goshen Township, Clermont County, Ohio
John 36
Lucy 35
Robert 14, born in Ohio
Edward 13, born in Ohio
Randall 9, born in Ohio
George 3, born in Kentucky
Chester 1, born in Kentucky
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMCJ-GSF
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Lucius Edward Phelan
Social Security Application and Claims
born 20 June 1887
died 14 March 1954
Lucius's WWI Draft Registration
born June 20, 1887, in Cincinnati
working as General Manager, Phelan Construction Paint Company [I think. it is pretty faded]
-should be on familysearch somewhere.
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Death, St Louis
Robert Jackson Phelan
January 10, 1912
residence: 3949a Shenandoah
born April 4, 1886, Cincinnati
father: John Ernst Phelan, born Waterford, Ireland
mother: Lucy Cramer, born Ohio
informant: L Edw. Phelan, of 3870 Juniata Street
buried Calvary, January 12, 1912
https://s1.sos.mo.gov/Records/Archives/ArchivesMvc/DeathCertificates/SearchResults
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Passport Application for John Randall Phelan under John Randall - states his father immigrated from Ireland about September 1883 - move forward to second page for photograph.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-99D3-1GNJ?i=375&cc=2185145&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQV5Y-89KF
Sandra
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In case you are curious about Lucy Cramer's family, as I was.
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1870 Wayne Twp, Clermont Co
Jackson Cramer, 26, born in Ohio, farm hand, cannot write, male citizen, no real estate or personal estate
Elizabeth, 26, Ohio
Lucy, 4, Ohio
Lucius, 3, Ohio
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6KF-GGJ
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Her family in 1880, Goshen Township, Clermont County with 2 more children:
Bina W, female, 10
Ettie, female, 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ1K-X64
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a tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L7SQ-VN1
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her parents' marriage license. Her mother's surname was Randall.
Marriage Record, Clermont County
Jackson Cramer, will be 21 on next December 22, a resident of Clermont County
Elizabeth Randall, more than 18
note about Jackson's father Joseph Cramer's consent
November 28, 1864, license granted
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XZXY-HZZ
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WW1 and WW2 drafts - John Randall Phelan
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3HF-DZC
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3RY-T3Q
United States, Veterans Administration Master Index, 1917-1940
15 July 1891 - 25 May 1957
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7T9X-ZFW2
Sandra
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7T9X-ZFW2
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Many thanks Sandra & Oldihohome Jim
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Hope it all helps fill lots of gaps :)
Sandra
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Hi me again looking for help again, (1) marriage of Michael Hartery born Ireland 1836 married Margaret Burns United States,
(2) his death in Ohio
(3) the death records of his sister Ellen McGrath, born Ireland 1834 married John McGrath, Waterford City, Ireland 1858,
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What else can you tell us about Ellen McGrath ???
Nothing in Ohio marriages that I came across - https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2367319
Would this be the family under Harting on anc - 1900 census Ward Ave Bellevue, Campbell, Kentucky ???
Michael Harting 56 Born Ireland Marriage year 1870. Imm 1857.
Maggie Harting 51
Lilly Harting 26 John Harting 24
Michael Harting 17 William Harting 10
Daisy Harting 15 Joseph Harting 12
Michael was not married on the 1870 census Cincinnati Ward 8, Hamilton, Ohio.
Daniel Enright 30 Anastasia Enright 30
John Enright 7
Michael Hartery 26
1880 census Columbia St Newport, Campbell, Kentucky. Children born Ohio.
Mike 40 Maggie 31
T. 9 this could be tassia - (later Anastasia Hartery Klocke)
Lillie 7
John 4
(not transcribed) 2
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Anastasia Hartery Klocke -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/95167019/anastasia-klocke
Sandra
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Notice the death of the son Michael Harting Jnr - 1902
Says he was the son of Michael Hartery who died last week.
The Cincinnati Enquirer Cincinnati, Ohio 29 Apr 1902, Tue Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44844536/michael_hartery_jnr_29_april_1902/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/23651169/michael_hartery_jrage_21_died_from/
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Saint Joseph New Cemetery Cincinnati, Hamilton County, Ohio.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129453258/michael-hartery
Sandra
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Margaret Hartery Obit
The Cincinnati Enquirer Cincinnati, Ohio 2 Nov 1932, Wed Page 17
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44844576/margaret_hartery_2_november_1932/
Daughter Daisy Hartery -
The Cincinnati Enquirer Cincinnati, Ohio 12 Jul 1960, Tue Page 18
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/44845883/obituary_for_daisy_hartery/
Sandra
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Michael Hartery Sr died 22 April 1902 in Newport, Campbell County, KY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWGB-H53?from=lynx1UIV8&treeref=L2L1-T8H
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sons of John McGrath and Ellen Hartery:
Thomas McGrath (29 Apr 1856, Ireland - 16 Apr 1926, Cincinnati)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X8J1-26R
Walter McGrath (1 July 1861, US - 28 May 1939, Cincinnati)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X8WJ-C3M
tree lists other children
Michael born 1860, Agnes 1865, John 1868, Mary 1875-1933
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LCMP-ZXR
family in 1880 in Cincinnati
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M899-YSP
edited to add the link to Thomas' death
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This could possibly be Ellen' s death.
Cincinnati Post
Cincinnati, Ohio
February 4, 1893
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a couple possibilities for Ellen Mcgrath's death, both in St Joseph New Cemetery
d 11 May 1881, buried Cincinnati
St Joseph New Cemetery
Section 1, Lot 23, Division B
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129414212
according to findagrave there is also a John McGrath, d 7 July 1903, in the same plot, but they are all common names, so it doesn't prove a lot.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129414257/john-mcgrath
another Ellen McGrath, died 3 Feb 1893, buried Cincinnati, St Joseph New Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129414211
there are about a dozen John McGraths buried in that cemetery, all dying before 1920 or so. more after that.
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This could possibly be Ellen' s death.
Cincinnati Post
Cincinnati, Ohio
February 4, 1893
This appears to be the right Ellen. Further research shows she was born in Ireland and was 57 years old (born about 1836).
https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/handle/2374.UC/630510
Card: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p2g/
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That's her. I'm finding the family at that address, 29 Dhonau.
1893 Cincinnati Directory
McGrath
John, overseer, overseer the poor, 9th district, home 29 Dhonau
John Jr, brick layer, 29 Dhonau
Walter, blacksmith, Dhonau St, 25th ward
1895
McGrath
John, house 29 Dhonau
John Jr, brick layer, 29 Dhonau
Walter, blacksmith, 33 Dhonau
still working forward for John Sr's death.
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This appears to be John McGrath's death in 1896. Born Ireland, address is same street listed for Ellen in 1893, age 63 (born about 1833) & buried St Joseph Cemetery.
https://drc.libraries.uc.edu/handle/2374.UC/291953
Card: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p2h/
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This is definitely the right John. He is listed as meat packer on the card. Looking back at the 1880 census, he is listed as a butcher.
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that's him. He disappears from the City Directory after 1896
They might have renumbered the houses.
1896
John, butcher, 1627 Dhonau
John Jr, brick layer, 1627 Dhonau
Walter, blacksmith, 1631 Dhonau
but:
1897
Walter, blacksmith, 1631 Dhonau
John, carpenter 824 Kenyon, janitor 302 Butler, paper hanger 1081 Mound, b.k.h. 1214 Broadway, painter 712 Barr
edit to add:
He was a butcher on the 1880 Census.
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Edit to add-
This is definitely the right John. He is listed as meat packer on the card. Looking back at the 1880 census, he is listed as a butcher.
edit to add:
He was a butcher on the 1880 Census.
Thorough confirmation is a wonderful thing :)
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Thorough confirmation is a wonderful thing :)
I agree. It's nice when the records are there.
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Many Thanks that is Them Ellen McGrath's brother was Michael Hartery Sr married Margaret Burns, came from Waterford Ireland 1860 to new life in America cousins of Phelan families of Ohio Thanks again Jim
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Info on Ellen McGrath Ellen Hartery was born 1834/6 married John McGrath in St John's Church Waterford city 21st Feb 1857, Thomas McGrath was born 1858, Waterford City They immigrated 1860 with Ellen's brother Michael who married Margaret Burns about 1870, John & Ellen McGrath's daughter Agnes married William Phelan who was also from Waterford they are 4 Hartery families at this time in Waterford but none with a Ellen & Michael that is why i am looking for their deaths to see if their parents would be on their certs Thanks again for your help Jim
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You're welcome.
It's too bad they didn't live until 1908 when Ohio started using a full death certificate which asked for the parents' names and places of birth.
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Looking for info again Please of Marriage 1870 of Michael Hartery to Margaret Burns they lived Bellevue Kentucky U S Margaret died Nov 1932
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The earliest child I can find for them is Anastasia, born 29 Aug 1871 in Cincinnati, Ohio, according to her death record (9 October 1937, Bellevue, Kentucky), if that is any help. I forget if we ever figured out when Michael arrived.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9YK-ZQSQ-R?cc=1417491&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3ANS88-VLS