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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: sheenamac on Sunday 16 February 20 02:00 GMT (UK)
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Janet McPherson (about 1776) is said to be born in Badroach, Perthshire. I can't find any reference to a town or village of that name. Can anyone make a suggestion.
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I'm thinking it might be Badenoch. I'll try that.
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If it was in Perthshire, it was not Badenoch, which is in Inverness-shire.
Where did you find the reference to Badroach?
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It came from an Ancestry hint (which is why I'm checking it out). Anyway, she was married in Kilspindie and her children were all born there but I haven't found her there though there are some possibilities elsewhere in Perth. If Badroach doesn't exist then in itself is a help. Thanks.
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I found the reference in the 1851 census. She was born in Perth but I also can't decipher the town of birth.
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I'm trying this attachment.
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Bad spelling of Bendochy?
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Could be. It looks like Bodnoch or Badnoch.
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Did they record a place name or parish in the Census?
Don
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The census is supposed to record the parish of birth, not the specific place in the parish.
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I hope you get this attachment.
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Got it, but it only tells us what we already know, which is that in the census Janet was in the parish of Liff and Benvie.
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Thanks for giving your time to this. I don't know what else I can say. There are a few Janet McPhersons born in Perth so I have to dig a big further to find her - the traditional naming pattern is not helping. At least I can confine my search to Perth. I'm going to dig into other censuses. She's in the 1861 census with her sisters - and she was aged 85, bless her. She's in the censuses in her single name which I know is not unusual. I can't find any towns of the names suggested, but I'll share the result when I dig further.
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Badnoch seems to me most likely to be Badenoch. People were sometimes a bit hazy about the actual location of their birthplace, and Perthshire is adjacent to the area known as Badenoch, so possibly Janet or the enumerator mistook which county it is in.
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Thank you. I have found later census records giving Fortingall as the birthplaces. Would that be near Badenoch?
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Badnoch seems to me most likely to be Badenoch. People were sometimes a bit hazy about the actual location of their birthplace, and Perthshire is adjacent to the area known as Badenoch, so possibly Janet or the enumerator mistook which county it is in.
I think it is highly unlikely that anyone from Perthshire would confuse anywhere in Perthshire with Badenoch in Inverness-shire. To get from Perthshire to Badenoch you have to cross the Drumochter Pass, which is a major geographical feature and a long stretch of very sparsely inhabited mountainous land.
People's affinities were generally with their parish of birth, and Badenoch is not a parish, so is not likely to cause confusion of that sort.
Thank you. I have found later census records giving Fortingall as the birthplaces. Would that be near Badenoch?
Not in late 18th century terms, when the only power available for transport was muscles. It's about 65 miles from the village of Fortingall to the village of Newtonmore, via some pretty wild country including the aforesaid Drumochter Pass.
I think the likelihood is that you are looking for a small croft or a single cottage, not a village or town.
The 1861 census lists Cate, Christy and Janet McPherson at Brouch in the parish of Fortingall. Going back to 1851, there is a listing of Alexander, Janet, Catherine and Christian McPherson, brother and sisters, all unmarried, in a household at Brouch in the parish of Fortingall. So I think there must at least be some doubt that the Janet McPherson in the parish of Fortingall in 1861 is your Janet McPherson.
This Brouch is in the same enumeration district as Innerwick, Balinlone and Camusvracan.
There is a place called Bruach between Innerwick and Camusvrachan on the first edition of ten six-inch Ordnance Survey map. See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.5970&lon=-4.2909&layers=6&b=1. I wonder if this is could be the place you are looking for?
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https://maps.nls.uk/view/74428128#zoom=5&lat=5646&lon=8869&layers=BT (https://maps.nls.uk/view/74428128#zoom=5&lat=5646&lon=8869&layers=BT)
Balknock above Milton of Keltney on this map. Misheard as Badnoch?
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https://maps.nls.uk/view/74428128#zoom=5&lat=5646&lon=8869&layers=BT (https://maps.nls.uk/view/74428128#zoom=5&lat=5646&lon=8869&layers=BT)
Balknock above Milton of Keltney on this map. Misheard as Badnoch?
Excellent find! Well sleuthed.
You could read that census as Bailnoch.
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In both the 1841 and 1851 census records for Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie in Angus, she is in the same household as Catherine Gardiner which would be her daughter and confirms she is the right one. It was on the 1851 census that I found the questionable place of birth. They didn't record that information in the 1841 census, of course. I take on board your comments about Fortingall so will cease any efforts to go along that path.
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Sorry Forfarian, I hadn't seen your reply with the map reference when I made my last post. As I'm on Australian time I will look at it fresh tomorrow. Thanks to all the wonderful sleuths out there.
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Too impatient to wait until tomorrow. I notice that the map includes reference to Fortingall, so I'm liking that as a link to some of the other information I've been collecting.
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Too impatient to wait until tomorrow. I notice that the map includes reference to Fortingall, so I'm liking that as a link to some of the other information I've been collecting.
The other map, found by Isabel H, is also in the parish of Fortingall.
Balknock seems to have morphed into Balchroich. See http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN7749 and https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.6182&lon=-3.9989&layers=168&b=1
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Thanks to you too Isabel. So much to process and I'm looking forward to deciphering it all later today.
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First time I've been on here in ages!
Janet McPherson is my 4x great grandmother. I'm pretty sure it's Badenoch as she does have some connection there. Her first two children were born in Kingussie which is the same area. I'm descended from her son Daniel, their first child.
Are you descended from one of her ten children? I know very little about Janet or her husband David, other than he was a miller from Kilspindie where the majority of their children were born.
I'm in agreement, the Fortingall Janet McP is a different person.
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These are the ten children that I know of:
Births reg'd in Kingussie
Daniel b abt 1794 d1866 married Isobel Craig
Laury or Laurence 1795-1876 married Marg. Fairweather
Born/reg'd in Kilspindie
Mary b1798
Euphame/Euphemie 1800-1883 married William Taylor
Catherine 1802-1876 married Robert Linkater?
Isabel b1807 married someone called Miller?
James b1809
Margaret b1810 married Alex Pullar?, went to NZ?
Plus
Alexander b abt 1816 in Cargill Perthshire d1888, emigrated to Aus, married Ann West
Kinnear b abt 1818 Collace, Perthshire d1905 married John Brown
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Hi Joe
Thanks for your posting. Unfortunately, it looks like Janet is a very very remote connection of mine, so if we've a connection, it's been well watered down.
Sheena