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1891 census 2 cathcart place
Shettleston transcript has
Jean Anatol Galdemar +
Jean Anatol Dunn
Both age 7 both born Glasgow
With Neil McKay boiler maker
+ His wife and some children
Daughter Fanny is a housekeeper at the same address but different appartment 1901 Census
Where did these boys come from and where did they go to ?
🤔I've modified title as it's proved to be the same child
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There is a John McKay with his parents at same address in 1901 but he's 20
Neil's wife is Jean Sneddon sometimes known as Fanny McKay
I've found baptisms of some of their other children Angus, Catherine .Helen.fanny
But not this John so he's a likely candidate for one of the boys
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Jean Anatol Galdemar +
Jean Anatol Dunn
Where did these boys come from and where did they go to ?
Jean Anatol Dun and Jean Anatole Galdemar are both in the births index at SP, both born 1883 in Glasgow Gorbals.
Clement Galdemar married E Maurice in Edinburgh in 1873. 5 deaths of infant Galdemars in SP deaths index, only one of whom was born in Scotland. No adult deaths.
1871 census has Jean Galdemar, 21, student of medicine, born Mauritius, and wife Jane Galdemar, 18, born Edinburgh.
1881 has Jane C Galdemar, 27, daughter, widow, in the household of Thomas Dun and his wife Alison Cosser in Edinburgh.
1891 Census transcription at FindMyPast suggests there is only one Jean Anatol, surname Dunn OR Galdemar. SP census index lists two at the same address.
So perhaps there is just one boy, born illegitimate to Jane Cosser Dunn, widow of Jean Galdemar, and registered once in the registration district where he was born and once in the district where his mother's domicile was.
I wonder if John Hogg Galdemar, born and died 1881, was a son of Jane Cosser or Galdemar?
You need to get some of those certificates and see what they tell you.
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Thanks Forfaren great finds
It was just curiosity when researching a Mckye relative
I thought it was odd that they should have such french sounding first names
I have a DNA connection to Hugh McKay but not to any Dunn or Galdamor surnames
I've messaged someone who has a pic of a student
* Correction Jean *Galdemar on ancestry
Ps you've reminded me to phone SP + find whyh I'm not getting new password
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got my new SP password this story is worth spending some credits on
Especially as the Mauritius link Connects with the photo
On ancestry
But surely if Jean Galdemar was a student in 1871 and he'd died by 1881 he couldn't have had two sons in 1883
I suspect either Jane Dunn passed herself of as a widow
And used married name for a son by another man
And /or Jean Galdemar had another son by a different woman
For both sons to be adopted by the McKay's it would have to be a connection thru the father
I'm off to SP I'll be a while....am very slow and struggling to type which is why I modify my posts later.
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But surely if Jean Galdemar was a student in 1871 and he'd died by 1881 he couldn't have had two sons in 1883
Correct.
I suspect either Jane Dunn passed herself of as a widow
She is described as a widow in the 1881 census return for her father's household. She wasn't 'passing herself off as a widow'.
And used married name for a son by another man
an illegitimate child born to a widow is normally registered under both her maiden name and her married name, even if it is obvious that the child cannot be her husband's.
For both sons to be adopted by the McKays it would have to be a connection thru the father
I looked at the 1891 census. There is only one boy, Jean Anatol Dunn or Galdemar. So it's not a case of two boys, but of one boy registered twice.
Nor is there necessarily any blood relationship between the McKays and Jean Anatole.
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Ha ha you got there way ahead of me
Looking at original census 1891
Jean Anatole DUN or Galdemer
Adopted son Glasgow
I looked at the birth record that said the child was a female
Its very scrunched up and I can't read the address ( where has the function on SP for reading transcripts gone ? )
definitely Jean Anatol Dun /Galdemar is a boy
Father given as Jean Anatole Galdemar doctor of medicine died 2nd Oct 1879
( A very long pregnancy) I wonder if the real father was a McKay
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John Hogg Galdermar was one of the 5deaths died as a baby
There seem to be no church records for this name
The census record 1871 as you
Said is for Jean 21 b Mauritius and wife Jane 18 b Edinburgh
Living on their own
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The birth certificate of John Hogg Cosser Galdemar says that he was the illegitimate son of Jane Cosser, widow of John Galdemar Doctor of Medicine who died at Paris on 25th October 1877.
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John Hogg Cosser Galdemar
Gives a good clue to who his biological father may have been
From his name
Jane Cosser Dunn Galimar never remarried and stayed with her family in Edinburgh
1891 with mother
I901 with sister *.
Correction you are right that Jane has different initials
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I think John McKay apprentice tailor age 19 in 1901
Is Jean Anatole
Can't find any other possible births to
Neil McKay and Jean Sneddon
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Jane cosser Dunn or Galimar never remarried and stayed with her family in Edinburgh as a milliner and dressmaker
1891 with mother 1901 with her sister
A Jane Galdamar died in Edinburgh in 1893, aged 41.
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Thanks Forfaren ...I think the 1901 was wrong lady
I said passing of as widow because no evidence that they actually married
I found a record for Jean Anatole senior s father registering with freemasons I'm Mauritius in 1881
The family certainly don't seem to have any more births or deaths after 1883
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I didn't find the other 4 Galdemar baby deaths ...would be interested to know their names
I am now in contacted with a member of Dun family who had the photo of Jean Anatole Galdemar and
And I got on Mauritius link
Found a marriage for him in 1877 to Louise Marie Angeline CANDIN
I'm not sure about his death ...I wonder if second wife informed Janet
http://www.cgmrgenealogie.org/actes
I think his father was Victor and mother julie Dumont
The other couple in Edinburgh were his brother and sister in law
I'm going to transfer this topic to immigrants and emigrants forum as a family is building up
Someone else may find the research useful
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I didn't find the other 4 Galdemar baby deaths ...would be interested to know their names
Marie Clemence, aged 1, Newington, 1873 No 220
Marie Clementia, aged 1, Newington, 1873 No 299
Gabriel Maurice, aged 2, Duddingston and Portobello, 1874
Charlotte M, aged 0, Johnstone and Elderslie, 1886
All on the SP deaths index.
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https://www.biusante.parisdescartes.fr/histoire/biographies/?cle=25024
- a little info on Jean Anatole Galdemar's time studying medicine in Paris.
https://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/natal-witness-sp-65508289/1482-natal-witness-1878-bmds
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG6G-NPSM
- references to his death which took place in South Africa, the "Virginia" mentioned I think is in the area of Durban, Natal, not in the US as it has been indexed.
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Thanks again Forfaren I had another go and found them
Marie clemance and Marie Clementina are probably the same girl
I noticed they are registered in different district to Gabriel have used all my credits for now on SP
Jorose that is wonderful and there is a reference to doctor DRUMAR which could be his mother uncle or maternal grandfather .either way.confirms mother's name
# Reread it says he dedicated his thesis to Dr and Mrs DRUMARD (their nephew)
+ I got the Paris death from Jean Anatole juniors birth record
But this is more reliable i will change it now on tree
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Further downit gives address of relative ("parent" in French)in ile Maurice/ Mauritius
Dr DROMART 9 boulevard St. martin
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Thanks again Forfaren I had another go and found them
Marie clemance and Marie Clementina are probably the same girl
I thought that too until I noted that there are two different registration reference numbers. The actual certificates should clarify.
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That would be another 12 credits I think.
I.ll leave the dead babies for now
But thanks for pointing out the different references
Wasnt Jean Galdemar two different references two .
I wonder why he appeared on census transcription age 7 as two people . If he did become Jean McKay he may have emigrated along with his adoptive siblings .They are complicated because two siblings Mary + J with Abercrombie spouses had children who married ( ie first cousins ).
I found a Sneddan connection to Mauritius but have lost it again.
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I wonder why he appeared on census transcription age 7 as two people .
He appeared twice in the SP index because he had two surnames. He appeared only once in the FindMyPast transcription. I presume the transcription that listed him twice was Ancestry, who are notorious for incorrect transcriptions.
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Thanks for clarifying .didn't know ancestry was notorious for bad transcription in future I will check Scots census on SP tho I'm not good at negotiating between sites
There don't seem to be any other Mauritius Galimar candidates for the parents of Clementce. Marie Clementina or Gabriel so I'm guessing they must be children of Clementce Galimar and e Maurice but born in England probably London where single man and medical doc lived .
The naming system for French + colonies ? Seems to involve variants of parents and grandparents names .
Often the children have two or 3 middle names which can be helpful
It's possible that one of the girls was born early in the year and the other at end of year
Excuse spelling variations am typing onmobile which is hard to see screen and keeps predicting names for me .
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Thanks for clarifying .didn't know ancestry was notorious for bad transcription in future I will check Scots census on SP tho I'm not good at negotiating between sites
Ancestry is OK as a finding aid, but you always need to check the details on the original because the transcriptions are pretty bad.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=744631.0
and don't trust their trees (or any other web site's) either
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=800691.0