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Title: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: Jonesey2 on Thursday 27 February 20 11:57 GMT (UK)
I've found a cemetery record showing the burial of my 2x great grandfather Asa Willis at Kirkdale Cemetery on 14th February 1904. I was shocked to discover that his residence is shown as 'Workhouse' at Walton. I'd like to find some more information about his admission etc to the workhouse, but my online search hasn't found anything more. In 1901 he was living with his wife and six children at 20 Clarence Grove, Everton and working as a milk dealer, and I'm wondering how he ended up in a workhouse 3 years later.

Can anyone assist me or give me some ideas about where to look next (online)? I'd be grateful.
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 27 February 20 12:05 GMT (UK)
Burial registers often have the place where the 'the body came from' listed under late residence. He may just have been there for the last weeks of his life as it would have nursing facilities

This workhouse web page should show what records are available
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/WestDerby/
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: Jonesey2 on Thursday 27 February 20 12:16 GMT (UK)
Ah - I see. That's a very likely explanation. Thank you so much for the info and the link.
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: Blue70 on Friday 28 February 20 00:48 GMT (UK)
I don't think the admission records survive for Walton. Workhouses provided medical facilities and a lot of people went there towards the end of their life when either they needed support in old age or they were ill.


Blue
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: CaroleW on Friday 28 February 20 00:58 GMT (UK)
My great grandparents both died in Rice Lane Workhouse - now Walton Hospital.  One in 1904 and the other in 1905.  Both were in the WH infirmary for nursing care.

Doctors charged a fee in those days and if somebody had long term medical needs or no money to pay a doctor - they were admitted to the WH infirmary
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: garstonite on Friday 28 February 20 07:45 GMT (UK)
I've found a cemetery record showing the burial of my 2x great grandfather Asa Willis at Kirkdale Cemetery on 14th February 1904. I was shocked to discover that his residence is shown as 'Workhouse' at Walton. I'd like to find some more information about his admission etc to the workhouse, but my online search hasn't found anything more. In 1901 he was living with his wife and six children at 20 Clarence Grove, Everton and working as a milk dealer, and I'm wondering how he ended up in a workhouse 3 years later.

Can anyone assist me or give me some ideas about where to look next (online)? I'd be grateful.

looks like he was a Butcher first ?

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html

Baptism: 1 Mar 1874 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Willis - [Child] of Asa Willis & Ann
    Born: 28 Jan
    Abode: Bond St.
    Occupation: Butcher
   
Baptism: 5 Apr 1880 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charlotte Willis - [Child] of Asa Willis & Ann
    Born: 18 Mar 1880
    Abode: Low Hill
    Occupation: Butcher
   
Baptism: 11 Jul 1887 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ada Maud Willis - [Child] of Asa Willis & Anne
    Born: 23 Jun 1887
    Abode: Warburton St.
    Occupation: Butcher
 
Baptism: 6 May 1889 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Henry Willis - [Child] of Asa Willis & Ann
    Born: 22 Apr 1889
    Abode: Everton
    Occupation: Butcher

Baptism: 22 Dec 1890 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Eleanor May Willis - [Child] of Asa Willis & Ann
    Born: 6 Dec 1890
    Abode: Everton
    Occupation: Butcher
.................
sorry but I can't find the 6th child - Asa Willis married Ann Williams 1872 in Bootle - St Mary church
there is an Asa Willis who married in 1864 in Sheffield ? do you know whether Asa was married before ?
he was born in Ponterfract in 1843 -( 1901 census says Bradford - but he was registered in Ponterfract ) only 2 records for Asa Willis - and the other is born in 1850 in Westbury -and dies in Westbury aged 44 in 1894 - so logically that has to be your Asa Willis who marries in Sheffield 1864  aged 21 .to Jane Taylor .
Asa  and Jane had 2 children
Ann Elisabeth 1868
George William 1869.
Jane - his wife - died 1871
..................

Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: Jonesey2 on Friday 28 February 20 09:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you for all the information. So much detail. Yes, Asa Willis was a pork butcher. He was firstly married to Jane Taylor, who died young, and as you say they had two children - George William died in infancy, and Anne Elizabeth was my great grandmother. She only had one surviving child, my grandfather, and he only had one child - my father, so it's a lonely family line - no cousins forthcoming from there.

I'm interested that you found another Asa Willis. It's an unusual name - I'd love to know where it came from and why none of his descendants have used it again.

Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: garstonite on Friday 28 February 20 10:17 GMT (UK)
Hmmm   I wonder - born in Everton.Liverpool - possible relation ??

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=tony+willis+boxer

Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: mzmouse on Sunday 11 October 20 13:50 BST (UK)
Asa willis was my great great grandfather
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: mzmouse on Sunday 11 October 20 14:45 BST (UK)
Asa might have been in the workhouse if he was ill which was most likely his daughter died in workhouse of tb in 1933
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: mzmouse on Monday 12 October 20 14:04 BST (UK)
Hi Asa could have been ill that’s why he was in the workhouse as it was also a hospital for the poor to be treated.
I have lots of information regarding this line
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: Jonesey2 on Monday 12 October 20 22:55 BST (UK)
Hi mzmouse. Thanks for your reply. Asa was my great great grandfather too. His first wife was Jane Taylor - they married in Yorkshire and he moved to Liverpool after she died in 1870, aged just 30. They had a son George, who died in infancy, and a daughter Anne Elizabeth, who survived and married Robert Jones from Bangor. These were my great grandparents. Which of Asa's children are you descended from?
Title: Re: Asa Willis resident of Walton Workhouse at death 1904
Post by: mzmouse on Tuesday 13 October 20 08:54 BST (UK)
Hi Asa married Ann Williams in Liverpool  they had 11 children John Richard, Eleanor May, Walter, Ada Maud, Thomas Henry, Richard, Charlotte, William and Agnes May it is Agnes who was my great grandmother
John Richard emigrated to USA