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Title: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Friday 28 February 20 09:27 GMT (UK)
Iím trying to trace details of this man that married Beatrice May THOMAS (widow, nee GULLY) in 1918. 275/109 Adelaide. I know that he is NOT related to the candle/soap making WALKER family as that man of the same name died in Qld around 1898.   
Charles and Beatriceís daughter was born in 1920 and he had left the family (which included 5 children from Beatriceís first marriage) the following year. Source SA Police Gazette 23 Nov 1921 gives age 43 therefore born c1878.

There are no electoral rolls that I can find, no death, birth place, YOB, parents all unknown.

Is there any way that more information can be found without the need to purchase the marriage certificate?
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: TreeSpirit on Friday 28 February 20 10:31 GMT (UK)
When he marries on 6 April 1918, Charles Thomas Walker is single, 41 Years and his fatherís name is Joseph Walker.
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Friday 28 February 20 10:51 GMT (UK)
Oh thank you SO MUCH TreeSpirit, I really appreciate it. Off to see what else I can find now I have his dad as well. 😃
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: TreeSpirit on Friday 28 February 20 11:40 GMT (UK)
This might be a dead duck, but a C T Walker, civil engineer arrives in 1910 from Colombo on the China:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8D-BS7H-4?cat=2673164 (page 1 and 3)
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Friday 28 February 20 20:06 GMT (UK)
This might be a dead duck, but a C T Walker, civil engineer arrives in 1910 from Colombo on the China:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS8D-BS7H-4?cat=2673164 (page 1 and 3)

Very interesting, thank you. I will do some searching in English records to see if itís possibly the same man. He was described as a labourer when Beatrice was claiming maintenance but thatís always possible if he couldnít find employment in his field.

Sandra
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Friday 28 February 20 20:50 GMT (UK)
There are two shipping records for that C T Thomas, one in 1913 with wife and children, the other in 1930 so it seems unlikely to be the same man.

I also found another with same initials leaving Victoria heading for London Jan 1908. Unfortunately needing yet another subs to view what should be public records IMO.
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 28 February 20 22:10 GMT (UK)
Only one SA birth:

WALKER Charles Thomas father Frederick Charles WALKER Adelaide 186/172 1877   

Jamjar
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Friday 28 February 20 23:06 GMT (UK)
Only one SA birth:

WALKER Charles Thomas father Frederick Charles WALKER Adelaide 186/172 1877   

Jamjar

Thank you Jamjar but that is the family I have already discounted in post #1 with that particular Charles Thomas dying in QLD in 1898.
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 29 February 20 05:23 GMT (UK)
There is a death notice for Beatrice May WALKER (formerly THOMAS)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/43497266

It names her children. In my experience, on these occasions children are usually named in birth order, (there are exceptions to most things ;D) but I do not see a daughter as you mention, listed as the sixth child. There may be all sorts of reasons for this. But...

I do see a male as number six.

There is tree online at Ancestry  without much documentation which lists a man of the right (or nearly right )name as the son of Beatrice May GULLY and Charles Thomas WALKER. The name DAVIS has been inserted to read father Charles Thomas DAVIS-WALKER. The child is also named ***** Davis WALKER.

The tree says he was born in 1922 and a marriage is also listed for him.
It also says he died around 1997.

Does any of this make sense to you?

I mention it because the birth seems to post date the SA Police Gazette notice placed in 1921.

Sue
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 29 February 20 08:07 GMT (UK)
 Ok. I have now located and viewed the birth record of the girl born 1920.

Also that of the boy in 1922. His surname is WALKER and his given names include Davis.

The fuller details of the record which I have viewed actually do not show his father as Charles Thomas WALKER.

The space for father is blank. 

Mother is recorded as Beatrice May Gully Thomas

So this information turns out to be not relevant to your search for Charles Thomas WALKER ::)
He was not around in 1922 after all.
Sue
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Saturday 29 February 20 10:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the reply Sue.

Yes, as odd as it seems I do understand the weirdness. It seems that the 1920 daughter (I wonít mention names in case it upsets living relatives) didnít get on at all with her mother and step-siblings and was pretty much ignored by them all. The younger boy (Davis-Walker) is believed to have been fathered by a different man, likely to have been a DAVIS. When Beatrice was able to claim war medals for her first husband she signed over consent for a G A DAVIS to collect on her behalf. All very strange and as Iím typing this I see that you had posted a later reply. Beatrice shunned her daughter (and young granddaughter) when they turned up on her doorstep looking for help in the mid 1940ís not long before her death. It must have been a nasty family feud to have given up on a married and also abandoned daughter/sister to the point where she wasnít even named in the death notice.
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 29 February 20 10:41 GMT (UK)
When you fill in the family recollections as you have, I can see the reason for apparent inconsistencies in the records.  Quite hard to deal with for some of the family I'm sure.

I wonder if Charles Thomas WALKER changed his name and intentionally melted into the wider Australian population.

Sue   
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: SandraAust on Saturday 29 February 20 20:37 GMT (UK)
I wonder if Charles Thomas WALKER changed his name and intentionally melted into the wider Australian population.

Thatís exactly what weíve been thinking but hoped that he slipped up somewhere and was able to be identified.
Do you know much about SA electoral rolls? They seem to be few and far between on Ancestry and making it harder to track the various members of the family in order to confirm some of the stories.
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: camak on Saturday 25 September 21 12:26 BST (UK)
Hello. I have never used this site before but felt I should make an account after seeing your info re: Beatrice May Gully who is my great, great, great Grandma. Unfortunately I know very little of my family history beyond my Grandparents but am trying to track down information pertaining to Beatrice May Gullyís daughter, Dorothy Ruth Walker. Ideally Iím seeking a photo of her at any age as I have no idea what she looked like. How do we go about exchanging information if you would like to and have the time?
Title: Re: Charles Thomas WALKER born c1878 lived in South Australia
Post by: camak on Saturday 25 September 21 14:14 BST (UK)
My apologies, Beatrice May Gully is my great, great Grandma.