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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wiltshire => England => Wiltshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Kylie Watson on Friday 13 March 20 03:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello there, this is my first time posting.. I never even knew this existed!
I am hoping someone might be able to help find out about one of my convict ancestors. For the life of me, I cannot find out what he was charged with. I will include the information I do have below:
Name: Abbott Osborn (spelling of his name has been found to vary to "Abbot, Osborne and Osbourne" and even in one record his name was incorrectly transcribed as "Robert".
Abbott was born c.1783 and was convicted on or around the 8th March 1800. He was sentenced for a life term and was transported on the Earl Cornwallis in late 1800, arriving in June 1801.
I am interested in particular as to what he was convicted for but also any information you are able to find from the record (ie. place of residence, recorded age at the time etc that might be able to verify any information I have for him). I would be extremely grateful for any assistance. Thank you.
Regards
Kylie
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Hi and welcome :D
He was tried at the Wiltshire assizes in Salisbury, not Lancashire.
Debra :)
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Debra
Thank you for this information and how did you find this information so quickly?
Kylie
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I am hoping someone might be able to help find out about one of my convict ancestors. For the life of me, I cannot find out what he was charged with. I will include the information I do have below:
Name: Abbott Osborn (spelling of his name has been found to vary to "Abbot, Osborne and Osbourne" and even in one record his name was incorrectly transcribed as "Robert".
Abbott was born c.1783 and was convicted on or around the 8th March 1800. He was sentenced for a life term and was transported on the Earl Cornwallis in late 1800, arriving in June 1801.
I am interested in particular as to what he was convicted for but also any information you are able to find from the record (ie. place of residence, recorded age at the time etc that might be able to verify any information I have for him). I would be extremely grateful for any assistance. Thank you.
Regards
Kylie
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Welcome to rootschat
This information is available from FindMyPast
Abbott Osborne
Date 11 May 1800
Prisoner location New Sarum
Crime Stealing
Sentence type Prison
Sentence duration Life
New Sarum is Wiltshire
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This information is available from FindMyPast, I have also posted it on your other request on the Lancashire board
Abbott Osborne
Date 11 May 1800
Prisoner location New Sarum
Crime Stealing
Sentence type Prison
Sentence duration Life
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Ancestry
Baptism at Wroughton, Wiltshire
Register reads
1782
Jan 23rd
Abbot Son of Thomas and Ann OSBORNE
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Swindon is about 2 miles from Wroughton - so a Thomas & Ann OSBORNE also had children christened at Christ Church Swindon
Baptism at Wroughton - 3 June 1783
Thomas OSBORNE, parents: Thomas & Ann
Mary OSBORNE - 25 June 1791 - parents: Thomas & Ann
Baptisms at Christ Church Swindon
Mary OSBORNE - 25 June 1791 - parents: Thomas & Ann
(may be more, will check)
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Thomas Osborn 21[B ] of Wroughton, married Anne Fairthorne. 21 [Sp] of Swindon. by licence. 7-June-1781
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Thomas OSBORN signs his name : Anne signs with a Mark
witnesses: Henry BRITTON and Wm W WILKES
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Duncan & Mandy's website (54,000 photographs of Wiltshire Churches etc et)
http://www.oodwooc.co.uk
Photographs of Christ Church, Swindon will be on the above website (I was married at this Church, it's beautiful and is at the top the hill).
There are FAIRTHORNE - baptisms at Christ Church
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The Wiltshire Family History Society
http://www.wiltshirefhs.co.uk
have produced a CD of Marriage Licence Bonds (Sarum Diocese Marriage Bonds 1609-1837)
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Capetown thanks so much for your help. Do you mind me asking, you've gotten most of this information off FindMyPast have you? It's dinnertime over here in Australia but I will sit down and go through what you've found soon. Thanks again.
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I subscribe to Ancestry -
Just added Wiltshire Family History Society - info (re CD) onto my previous message.
There must be someone who has this CD -
Also mentions Summary convictions....
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The Contributor re the prison record/marriage belongs to FindMyPast. Wiltshire marriages etc are also on Ancestry.
Will see what else is on Ancestry - as I am sure other Contributors will.
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From "London Packet or New Evening Post", March 12, 1800 - March 14, 1800
"ASSIZES
At Salisbury Assizes, Henry alias Harry Boulter, aged 38 for murder of William Dench, Mr. Wiltshire's waggoner; and Abbot Osborne, aged 18, for a robbery at Swindon, received sentence of death. ..."
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The Wiltshire OPC do not have the baptisms and burials for Wroughton but they do have the marriages. It was from there that I took the marriage of Thomas & Anne.
Ancestry have images of the original Wiltshire parish records, hopefully including Wroughton but I do not have a subscription.
Also of interest would be the marriage dated; 28-Feb-1767 of Abbot Osborn, widower, of Wroughton to Jane Phillips, [Sp] of Wroughton. by licence.
The Wiltshire OPC; https://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/genealogy/index.php/parish-directory/item/32-wroughton
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**Please disregard this message I thought I was posting on my post for the Wiltshire lookup.**
Thank you :) You can only have so many subscriptions, I have a paid subscription for Ancestry but after being led "up the garden path" I am reluctant to add information with being to cross-reference it against something I know to be already correct and clearly you are obviously more adept at Ancestry than I am. Is there a chance the Baptisms at Wroughton and Christchurch Swindon could be a duplication of the one record or for different families?.
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He was convicted of stealing a bank note to the value of £40 in a dwelling house. Death sentence commuted to transportation for life.
Native place Swindon, Wiltshire
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Capetown :) You can only have so many subscriptions, I have a paid subscription for Ancestry but after being led "up the garden path" I am reluctant to add information with being to cross-reference it against something I know to be already correct and clearly you are obviously more adept at Ancestry than I am. Is there a chance the Baptisms at Wroughton and Christchurch Swindon could be a duplication of the one record or for different families?.
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Will see what turns up!!
If you Google
Wroughton - Marriages 1700-1799 @ Wiltshire OPC Project
There is a spreadsheet - with about 5 OSBORNE marriages ....
I use the Find search button
Here are two with appears to have a family name
28 February 1767 - OSBORN Abbot - Widower - of Wroughton
to Jane PHILLIPS - of Wroughton, Spinster By Licence
22 September 1768
OSBORNE Abbot, Bachelor Yeoman of Lyneham
Jane Dore BEAMES of Wroughton, again by Licence
(next to Thomas' marriage to Ann Fair...
says : 'in licence, Thomas is a bachelor, age 21, Anne is a Spinster age 21)
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Here's the marriage of Abbot OSBORN 1767 - which is interesting!
Abott OSBORN of this Parish Widower & Jane Phillips of same, Spinter
were married in this Church by Licence this 28th day of Feb 1767 by ....
The Marriage was soleminized by us - Abbot OSBORN - he signs his name
The mark of Jane PHILLIPS
In the Presence of: Mary FAIRTHORNE and Thomas TUCK
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This is the 1768
Abbot OSBORNE - 22 September 1768, Wroughton
(Bachelor) Single male)
residence: Lyneham
Spouse: Jane Dore BEAMS of this Parish by Licence
Licence: Abbott is a yeoman
Parish Entry
Abbott OSBORNE of the Parish of Lyneham batch: & Jane Dore BEAMES of this Parish were married in this Church by Licence - this 22 Day of September 1768 by me
both write their name
witnesses: Richard DORE and Mary RAMBELL
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In case you're interested, £40 in 1800 was worth about £1760 (in 2017) (or $3500 AUD) - so quite a bit!
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/currency-converter/#currency-result
You probably already know, but it looks like he was in a bit of trouble in Sydney, NSW again in 1849:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article59769750
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The marriages for Abbott Osborn in 1768 don't seem to fit (??) All of the convict records estimate his year of birth as being circa. 1782.
I thoroughly appreciate you taking your time to help me with this. It's getting late here but I will check back tomorrow and go through all the information. Thanks to you both.
Kylie
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In case you're interested, £40 in 1800 was worth about £1760
They say that, but they also say it was 266 days (9 months) wages for a skilled tradesman, so in today's terms that would be around £20,000. If you look at purchasing power in terms of beer or housing, I think it would be considerably more.
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That's true! In any case, a substantial amount ... not surprising it was such a severe sentence. (Not that I approve of capital punishment in any form.)
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In case you're interested, £40 in 1800 was worth about £1760
They say that, but they also say it was 266 days (9 months) wages for a skilled tradesman, so in today's terms that would be around £20,000. If you look at purchasing power in terms of beer or housing, I think it would be considerably more.
Wow.. when you put it that way, I can understand why his sentence is more severe than others.. Although I hardly feel a "life sentence" is warranted. Thanks for the perspective.
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This was just an earlier marriage (1767) where Mary FAIRTHORNE was a witness
The marriage given earlier 7 June 1781 : Thomas OSBORN aged 21 of Wroughton married Anne FAIRTHORNE (aged 21) = birth c 1760 :
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----Baptism at Wroughton - June 28th 1773
Elizabeth OSBOURNE daughter the base born of Ann FAIRTHORN
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Up until the 1929 Marriage Act, Females could marry at 12 and Males at 14 years of age - with consent.
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Geni seems to have a different place of birth; https://www.geni.com/people/Abbott-Osborne-Convict-Earl-Cornwallis-1801/6000000062346123013
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Ancestry has the Will 1775 of
Abbot OSBORNE deceased of Lyneham who married Jane Dore BEAMS in 1768.
His Executrix from Wroughton and list his brothers.
John OSBORN - left £50
Robert OSBORN - left £50
Thomas OSBORNE - left £100
My Sister Mary OSBORN the wife of Henry OSBORN - left £50
+ other family members.
etc etc.
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From "London Packet or New Evening Post", March 12, 1800 - March 14, 1800
"ASSIZES
At Salisbury Assizes, Henry alias Harry Boulter, aged 38 for murder of William Dench, Mr. Wiltshire's waggoner; and Abbot Osborne, aged 18, for a robbery at Swindon, received sentence of death. ..."
Maddys52 would you happen to have a website link for this article please?
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He was convicted of stealing a bank note to the value of £40 in a dwelling house. Death sentence commuted to transportation for life.
Native place Swindon, Wiltshire
Shaun, do you mind if I ask where you found this information please?
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Hi there,
I am not Maddy, but I am in New South Wales, Australia and my library card from the National Library if Australia gives me access (e resources) to many historic digitised newspapers.
Maddy has transcribed a newspaper cutting and cited her primary source in her post. :)
Welcome to RootsChat. Best place for family history help. :)
JM
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NSW State Archives have digitised records for Abott OSBORNE per the Earl Cornwallis, :)
here is live link to their Convict Indents (Digitised) Index 1788-1801. If you enter just one word 'Abott' at the search engine there, you get two digitised results...
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convict-indents-digitised-index
INX-77-17732, gives you
Names of Convicts : Abott OSBORNE
When and where convicted : Wiltshire Gaol Delivery 8 March 1800
Place of Transportation : NSW
Term : Life
INX-77-6797 gives you same info.
ADD :
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts/indexes
and
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/colonial-secretarys-papers (Abbott OSBORNE)
1828 Census https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810812.0
JM
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Hi there,
I am not Maddy, but I am in New South Wales, Australia and my library card from the National Library if Australia gives me access (e resources) to many historic digitised newspapers.
Maddy has transcribed a newspaper cutting and cited her primary source in her post. :)
Welcome to RootsChat. Best place for family history help. :)
JM
Thanks JM, that's correct.
Kylie, I search online (free) British Library Newspapers using my Australian National Library card. Not sure if you are in Australia? You can apply for a library card here:
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
You can also search newspapers at various paid sites eg Ancestry, findmypast, British Newspaper Archive etc. :)
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NSW State Archives have digitised records for Abott OSBORNE per the Earl Cornwallis, :)
here is live link to their Convict Indents (Digitised) Index 1788-1801. If you enter just one word 'Abott' at the search engine there, you get two digitised results...
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convict-indents-digitised-index
INX-77-17732, gives you
Names of Convicts : Abott OSBORNE
When and where convicted : Wiltshire Gaol Delivery 8 March 1800
Place of Transportation : NSW
Term : Life
INX-77-6797 gives you same info.
ADD :
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/convicts/indexes
and
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/colonial-secretarys-papers (Abbott OSBORNE)
1828 Census https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810812.0
JM
Thanks JM. I'm aware of the NSW State archives, I've searched those one's before. I was trying to work out how to access the British Newspaper archives, which I've noticed maddys52 has commented with below. I'm really wanting to try to find the information on what he was charged with. I have previously found a transcription on the Assizes for another convict ancestor of mine, I was hoping to find something similar for Abbott.
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Hi there,
I am not Maddy, but I am in New South Wales, Australia and my library card from the National Library if Australia gives me access (e resources) to many historic digitised newspapers.
Maddy has transcribed a newspaper cutting and cited her primary source in her post. :)
Welcome to RootsChat. Best place for family history help. :)
JM
Thanks JM, that's correct.
Kylie, I search online (free) British Library Newspapers using my Australian National Library card. Not sure if you are in Australia? You can apply for a library card here:
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
You can also search newspapers at various paid sites eg Ancestry, findmypast, British Newspaper Archive etc. :)
Thanks Maddys52, this is what I was trying to find out :)
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Hi there,
I am not Maddy, but I am in New South Wales, Australia and my library card from the National Library if Australia gives me access (e resources) to many historic digitised newspapers.
Maddy has transcribed a newspaper cutting and cited her primary source in her post. :)
Welcome to RootsChat. Best place for family history help. :)
JM
Thanks JM, that's correct.
Kylie, I search online (free) British Library Newspapers using my Australian National Library card. Not sure if you are in Australia? You can apply for a library card here:
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
You can also search newspapers at various paid sites eg Ancestry, findmypast, British Newspaper Archive etc. :)
NSW State Library's card is great too. :) :) :) no charge to NSW residents...
Keep up the great work Maddy.
JM
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Hi there,
I am not Maddy, but I am in New South Wales, Australia and my library card from the National Library if Australia gives me access (e resources) to many historic digitised newspapers.
Maddy has transcribed a newspaper cutting and cited her primary source in her post. :)
Welcome to RootsChat. Best place for family history help. :)
JM
Thanks JM, that's correct.
Kylie, I search online (free) British Library Newspapers using my Australian National Library card. Not sure if you are in Australia? You can apply for a library card here:
https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/
You can also search newspapers at various paid sites eg Ancestry, findmypast, British Newspaper Archive etc. :)
NSW State Library's card is great too. :) :) :) no charge to NSW residents...
Keep up the great work Maddy.
JM
I didn't know about the Library Card!
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He was convicted of stealing a bank note to the value of £40 in a dwelling house. Death sentence commuted to transportation for life.
That is recited in the commutation of sentence document HO13/12/476. You can view it on FindMyPast: https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=TNA%2FCCC%2FHO13%2F012%2F0483&parentid=TNA%2FCCC%2F2A%2FHO13%2F00015412
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The Wiltshire Family History Society
http://www.wiltshirefhs.co.uk
have produced a CD of Marriage Licence Bonds (Sarum Diocese Marriage Bonds 1609-1837)
I just bought this from the Berks FHS. Be warned - it's almost unusable. It can only be used if the CD is actually in the drive, and of course most laptops and notebooks no longer have a CD drive.
I was planning to copy it on to my laptop, as I have done with other discs such as Berks Marriage Index (copyright allows this for your personal use), but it isn't possible.
It's also very poorly put together. You can only search by bride, groom, or bondsman, and you can't browse by year or place. And it's not easy to read. It's all presented in closely-typed lines with no columns, and looks as if it was typed up in about 1965.
I paid £15 for this and feel well ripped off.
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Hi Sloe Gin,
I see your problem is that you can't play the CD. Do you still have access to CD player that you could connect to your computer?
If you do, and I agree most PCs don't have disk players these days, so I invested in an Apple DVD player mainly because I have built up a collection of disks on CD from various FHS - If only more of them allowed E-downloads that would alleviate this problem.
I bought this CD from the Wilts FHS a few years ago and was able to open it using MS Excel. However, assuming yours is the same as mine, I was able to drag the files over to my home folder (ancestry records) on my iMac. I do that with all my disks so don't have to keep installing a CD.
Alan
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Thanks, Alan. I tried something like that, but as I don't have MS Office installed it didn't work.
The whole thing is so shoddily put together. It looks like something out of the 1960s, and the installation instructions must have been written about 20 years ago! I might just return it and ask for a refund. I wouldn't mind paying a fiver for it but I expect better for £15.
I just thought I'd warn anyone reading this thread, since it was mentioned here.
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Sloe Gin.. if you use Gmail or Google Chrome, there is a free, Open Source alternative to Microsoft Excel called Google Sheets.
You can even download it here:
https://www.google.com.au/sheets/about/
I wouldn't discount the CD, although it's User Interface isn't as pretty or doesn't look/work as seamless as others you may have used, there may be valuable information on there you've been looking for.
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Thanks, Kylie. I use Open Office which is a similar open source, and normally have no problems opening MS Office documents, but this CD only seems to recognise Office.
The point being that it should be easily transferable to a modern device, but it is not.
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Thanks, Kylie. I use Open Office which is a similar open source, and normally have no problems opening MS Office documents, but this CD only seems to recognise Office.
The point being that it should be easily transferable to a modern device, but it is not.
I understand.. good luck :)