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I hope some one can help I have a death while on holiday in los christianos Tenerife in January 2004 [[my friends mam ] how do I go about finding info on the death [ accidental ] she was also cremated over there , , she was born and lived I scotland and was on a xmas break and her daughter wwould like to get more info as her dad would not talk on anything concerning her death , any help would be appreciated thank you .. I have placed this on this board as im not sure where to place it
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Not sure about deaths in Tenerife,but you might find out some dates/info if she left a will.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills
Make sure you have the page 1996 to present open.
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she didn't leave a will but thank you also its just for the UK she was living in Scotland
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she didn't leave a will but thank you also its just for the UK she was living in Scotland
The United Kingdom (UK) comprises four countries: England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland ;D
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I have looked for a will but theres nothing ,, but again thank you
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You could apply online for a death crtificate from Registry office of Santa Cruz de Tenerife
https://www.certificadodefuncion.org/certificado-de-defuncion/
Google translated - https://www.certificadodelregistrocivil.es/certificados-registro-civil-tenerife
Have you also cehecked if the death was registered as an overseas uk death - they could have done that, but would have cost extra. Not sure if it also applied to Scotish people though.
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all iv done is look on scolandspeople for her death and there isn't one , I thought [ but im no expert it would have to have been registed in scotland also ] iv look on the GRO site and theres nothing all her dad would say was it was a accident , and cremated over there I think he said there was a inquest
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I have clicked on both links for death cert and its all foreign language , I cant rad or understand it
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See https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/birth-death-and-marriage-records/minor-records
and https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/birth-death-and-marriage-records/statutory-registers-of-births-deaths-and-marriages
Consular deaths are included in the Scottish statutory deaths indexes BUT deaths that occurred less than 50 years ago are not published online. You would need to check the printed index.
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Have you tried checking in the Scottish local press nearest to where this lady lived?
There are also English speaking newspapers in Tenerife.
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what is the printed index , I have read both links and what I understand is with her death being 2004 I wont get any info or certify
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I will just give up it all seems to complicated for me ,, but thank you for helping
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There are some burials on the Canary islands on familysearch.org
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?death_place=canary%20islands&death_year_from=2004&death_year_to=2005&record_type=2&count=20&offset=0
Cathy
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thanks iv put in her name and theres nothing ,
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Put in the following link for a google serach and then click on the translate page of the 4th site listed
https://www.google.com/search?q=certificado+de+fallecimiento+tenerife&rlz=1C1EODB_enGB566GB566&oq=certificado+de+fallecimiento+tenerife&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.8863j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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I have tried a search in spanish papers, but there was only mention of a coach crash where 2 Scottish women died in Sept 2004 in Las Palmas. Doesn't appear to have been anything either related to drownings or violence. Car crashes and helicopter crashes caused a number of deaths.
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thank you very much .. but all I don't have full date of death , and it costs £40 plus postage , but again thank you
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apparently she was supposed to have fell off the balcony in her hotel and had only been on holiday for a few days this is what my friends dad told her she thinks her death was 5th January he had her cremated over there
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Hi
If you have a Find My Past subscription you should find it on there. If not (as it is expensive) Go to Manchester Central Library (think that they are close at the mo because of the virus,so you may have to hold on a while.) Or ,if someone with a subscription will be kind enough to look for you.
Only reason I know this is that I spent several frustrating months looking for someone only to find that they has died in Tunis, so no record here! Other thing is if you could find their next of kin and they are still living write to them or (as someone has suggested) obtain a copy of their next of kin's will and write to one of the beneficiary's
Good Luck
Josie
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It says in my post that I'm looking for my friend ( her mother ) my friend is her next of kin
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I cannot see any other way for your friend to get a copy of her mum's death cert other than ordering unfortunately. There is a cost (38.72 Euros plus postage) when ordering it online from the link Sam put up earlier. Ordering it online is straightforward to do, having looked at the form.
I think this service is being offered by a third party is conjuction with the Spanish registry offices.
Having looked at the relevant registry office www.registrocivil.es/info/santa-cruz-de-tenerife/santa-cruz-de-tenerife/ it seems to be more expensive to order through them directly :-\ 45 euros plus postage it seems.
Josie, you mentioned Find My Past for records. I can only see the data set 'British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials', Madrid, Spain. Not many there for this period of 2004 (56 results).
oldhippyone, Find My Past is free to register on. You could do a name search to see if anything shows maybe?
Monica
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Thanks Monica. As I live in Manchester it was easy for me to go into the family history section ( Closed at the moment) and print off the details of my Tunis death from there. I also got a copy of his widows will from the probate office (£3) and wrote to the main beneficiary.
Overseas deaths are a bit of a challenge!
Josie
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Why not give teh crematorium a try - web address is listed under "cremation" on this page - https://www.tenerife-information-centre.com/death-in-tenerife.html
In Spanish but you could send a request for information - https://www.servisa.es/es/atencion-cliente/solicite-informacion. Otherwise address & phone Dirección:
CARRETERA General las Arenas PUERTO DE LA CRUZ
CP: 38400
Teléfono: 922 374 641
Also worth getting advice from British people who live on island maybe they can help
http://www.tenerifeforum.org/tenerife-forum/forumdisplay.php?105-English-Forums
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I don't spek Spanish and it would cost a fortune to phone them but thanks ,,,, I will just give up as im not really getting anywhere ,
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You could contact the Eglish forum (link I gave you in last post)
You could also contact English online paper which may be able to help. Can only search recent editions online, but you could send them an email and ask).
I have looked again, but nothing. Quite a number of balcony deaths in Los Cristianos and other parts of mainland Spain.
If you want I can try, but obviously need more details.
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thank you her name was Margaret dingley birth 1941living at carnwath lankarkshire , her death was on holiday at los christianos , Tenerife 5th January 2004 , she was on holiday over there for xmas , and all my friend was told by her dad was she fell over a balcony and was cremated over there and never took ashes home to Scotland .. she said she thinks there was a inquest and if I can find that it probly would be informative ,, thank you for helping as I am getting no where in my own research
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I'll see what I can do
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I've sent a couple of requests, but I suspect that now is not a good time, since there are now over 1000 deaths from Coronavirus in Spain. Did Margaret have a middle name at all ?
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Her birth name was Margaret Stirling lamb born in govan and married into the dingley family in the 60,s ,and you have her last place of abode and thank you
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As I have mentioned to you via PM, Spanish death certs will not include cause of death. They are very comprehensive in terms of many particulars relating to the deceased, including burial/cremation details but do not include cause of death.
Cause of death is included in the Certificate of Death at the time the death is verified by a doctor and this certificate is issued to be given the registrars. Very much like we have in this country, referred to the Green Form. In the UK there can be no registration or burial without it.
Your friend, not surprisingly, I would imagine wants to find out the details surrounding her mother's death. The only source may be to investigate how to try to source a copy of the inquest report in Tenerife. Not sure how easy this will be to be honest. This area can become super complicated.
But you need to start somewhere and getting a copy of her mother's death certificate is the way to start. There is no reason why your friend can't send a letter to the relevant Register Office. Sam, do you know which one? There are a number on the Island. At least 2 in Los Cristianos:
Juzgado (Registro Civil)
Avenida Juan Carlos
Telephone: 922 787860
Oficina Registro Civil
Avenida Chayofita
Telephone: 922 747300
Monica
PS: A copy of the death certificate should be free when ordered direct for the registrar.
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This is the link which I sent you the other day which is a great aide if you are filling out the electronic order form:
https://thegenealogycorner.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/how-to-order-a-spanish-death-certificate-from-the-spanish-registry-office.pdf
Taking on board the key details that should be included on any request for a copy of a death reg, these are the details your friend should consider including in her letter with her request. More info is required because she does not have a copy of the death cert or the references for it:
Full name of her mother, including maiden name.
Her maternal grandparents' full names
Her dad's full details
When and where her mother was born
What details she has on her mother's death. Death, date, place etc.
The fact that her mother was cremated on the Island
Your friend's full details to include:
Her full name
Correspondence address
Telephone number, including international dialing code for the UK
Email address if she has one
Passport number and where/when issued.
She needs to state:
That she would like the Certificate to be posted to her to the address she has given
That she would like a 'literal' copy of the Certificate. This is a stamped photocopy of the original certificate
We are on hand to help where we can :) I am bilingual with Spanish and can help with any translations, although I think dealing with Tenerife, many people speak English fluently really.
Monica
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Hi Monica
I've already done whay you suggested that behalf of oldhippyone and am waiting for a response with hopefully a "lteral" copy, since it was probably after closing Fri I sent it (with time difference). Will let you know what happens in the response.
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That is great, Sam. Well done for stepping in :)
Just to also add. I did do a search on Newsbank for any newspaper stories at that time. This includes Scottish papers like the Daily Record in the right year, but failed to find something. Not conclusive that there is nothing there, just I couldn't find anything :-[
Nothing in the Herald either - www.heraldscotland.com/search/?search=dingley&sort=relevance&headline_only=false&site_id[]=308&posted_date=custom&posted_date_from=&posted_date_to=&p=2&pp=20
The Carluke and Lanark Gazettes might be two titles to try with the Carnwath location. Nothing on line for them for then but your friend would need to check in the reference library nearby for microfilm copies of older issues. Likely libraries are closed currently??
Monica
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Thank you all for the help .. it is appreciated,, although my friend is from Scotland as was her parents and grandparents she no longer lives in Scotland but is now in north east England so cant go to library near her home town to search hence me doing on line research again thank you , for all the help
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I have used the Lanark Library archive services before re a search for someone on RootsChat www.whatsonlanarkshire.co.uk/listings/lanark-library/
I know that they hold back copies on microfilm for the Carluke Gazette (likely the Lanark Gazette too). You could try making phone or email enquiries? You have the date of Margaret Dingley's death to narrow down any searches.
Whilst libraries are shut to the public, they may well be open for email and phone enquiries? You would need to check.
Monica
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I will Google the number and call them in morning but I doubt if they be open , but thank you
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Got a letter back from the Registro Civil at Santa Cruz today, who say the death was not rgeistered there. >:( I'll have another look at the map and see where the next likely place to register her death would have been.
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Thank you very much it's very good of you to help ,, all I know is she was never brought home and either buried or cremated ,, it happened over there ,
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Sam Swift did you enquire at the 2 registrars on the island or just the one you had a reply from
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I filled in the online form for the office I thought would be the most likely, since it woud have been the closest, but I guess it does depend on the company that would have dealt with the formalities, since they would have probably registered the death. In my personal experience of a death on mainland Spain, the funeral directors dealt with it all, but unfortunately some of the information they provided the registrar was actually incorrect. I'm trying to find if there's an email address for the crematorium most likely to have been used in the North (since there wasn't one in the South then), but again from my experience, the crematorium we dealt with was totally insensitive and disinterested when dealing with us.
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Ok well again thank you .. she was definitely cremated over there and was not brought back to Scotland.. I doubt if there will be any info found for the death , but it was worth a try
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I'm just sending an email, in the hope that the crematorium will reply (although the email address is actually for people looking for a career in that field!). We'll see if they are willing to help by forwarding it to the relevant crematorium!
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Than you .. I really don't understand how no info can be found on her death , over ther as theres def no info to be found hear or on scotlands people .. if there's anything I can do please let me know , but I only speak English
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I have found records dating back as far as 2004, but nothing relating to Margaret. It is rather strange, considering there were numerous balcony falls reported. Her ashes could have been scattered at La Laguna. You apparently need a licence to scatter ashes, but one isn't required there and they have a "garden of ashes". Well lets hope the crematorium company will be helpful. I will try the other regisrty office and maybe the one in Madrid if that fails.
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It's very strange I agree and so did my friend ( Margaret's daughter ) her married name was Margaret dingley ,, ,, she married Archibald dingley , who she was on holiday with ,, I think I gave you all info but if you need it again I can supply it
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Odd indeed :-\ Good luck Sam with the continuing searches.
Monica
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I have to say I have used this site for a few years now for my own family research and every one has been very helpful , friendly and full of knowledge , but my friend has said a few times thers something strange on her mam,s death hence me placing request for help on hear , she is almost certain she has year correct, as she took a picture of her only son starting school to give to her mother on returned from xmas break and this is when she died and never got to see her grandson in his school uniform , so very sad
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Your friend's dad must have come back with Spanish death certs in order to report her mum's death to Scottish authorities such as bank, NHS, HM pension service for state pension etc?
Monica
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This is what I said to her but nothing can be found on her concerning her death ,, I do know my friend went over to bring her dad back to Scotland,, with out her mams ashes he refused to bring them with him and they were scared over there which still upsets her as she can not go to visit her mothers ashes
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sam swift , I spoke to my friend yesterday she said the hotel informed them [[ her and her 2 sisters ] of there mothers death they all went over and had to travel a long distance on something like a motor way , to collect mothers ashes , it was not in the papers in Scotland because Margarets sister was very upset over nothing in the papers ,.. I don't know if any of this helps ,, but I ask another question , if she died over there shouldn't her death still be registard on scotlands people and show in the search results ??
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Hi Oldhippyone
If Scotland's Registration system is the same as England and Wales, then it would also be possible to register an overseas death in Scotland as well as in Tenerife, but, when my father died in Spain, we didn't bother doing it, because we saw no point at the time and is also cost an extra £70 as far as I remember.
I had another response from a Registry office today and Margaret's death was not registered there as far as they can tell, but they are looking again. Since they emailed me, I was able this time to ask them if they have any suggestions as to which Registry office to try next, otherwise it's a hit and miss thing, so I'm hoping they may be a bot more understanding and helpful than they were at the Santa Cruz Registry Office.
I tried contacting one crematorium I thought that might be a possible, but haven't had any response sadly to my communications. I know you say the sisters traveled a long way on what was like a motorway to collect Margaret's ashes and I know it's difficult to remember with the shock at the time, but do they have any idea about how long they traveled for - 1 hour, 2 hours 3 hours etc; which could help narrow down the crematorium at least and then I cam try and contact them too.
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Hi thanks for not forgetting about the death ,, I'm actually seeing her daughter tomorrow ,, sat ,, I will ask her what she can remember ,, if you want me to ask her anything else then let me know befor sat morning and thanks again
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You can't register an overseas death in England & Wales - I don't know about Scotland.
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. I know you say the sisters traveled a long way on what was like a motorway to collect Margaret's ashes and I know it's difficult to remember with the shock at the time, but do they have any idea about how long they traveled for - 1 hour, 2 hours 3 hours etc; which could help narrow down the crematorium at least and then I cam try and contact them too.
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From the Aiport in the South the main airport. Nowhere as a main destination on a motorway is more than one hour away and that is the capital Puerto de la cruz.
The two main crematoria in Tenerife are at Candelaria and close to the North airport at Santa cruz de Tenerife. They are both run by a company called Servisa with offices in Guaza phone number is 0034-922 169157.
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I think some one has already said this but I don't speak Spanish so pointless calling but thanks
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I think some one has already said this but I don't speak Spanish so pointless calling but thanks
I'm wondering if you had thought of putting out a plea on a Tenerife Facebook forum for someone who could assist you on this quest.
If you would like to pm me and will point you to a good one, sited around the southern part of Tenerife. I know that there is one Notario Publico, that helps people with enquiries and Spanish speakers are on there too.
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Thank you that would be good ,, but I don't know how to person message you ,, may be you could message me as I know how to reply to messages
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Thank you that would be good ,, but I don't know how to person message you ,, may be you could message me as I know how to reply to messages
Old Hippy One - just for future reference you click on the circle under the person's name with the writing indicated on it, and that takes you to the Personal Messages feature. When the circle is green, it means they're online
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Thank you I never knew that ,, thanks again
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Thank you that would be good ,, but I don't know how to person message you ,, may be you could message me as I know how to reply to messages
PM Sent
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sam swift ,, jane said once the hotel informened her of her mothers death she and her 2 sisters got a flight out there and once they got to the hotel they had to wait 2 weeks befor they were alowed to see there mother she said she though it was cos of paper work , when they went to see mother afer the 2 week wait , she said they had to get a taxi which took more than half a hour but no more than a hour to get there she said the place was out in the wilds with no other buildings and was a modern building with lots of glass , , then they had to go back to hotel , she said there was no service said for mother and it was awhile before they could collect mothers ashes which she said only her dad and one of her sisters went to collect
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sam swift ,, , she said they had to get a taxi which took more than half a hour but no more than a hour to get there she said the place was out in the wilds with no other buildings and was a modern building with lots of glass ,
That sounds like The hospital at Mahon.
It's on the TF28 north east of los Christianos
Hospitalen Tenerife Sur
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Oldhippyone - Do the sisters remember anything about the crematorium and how long after their mother's cremation did they fly back - can they remember ?
Two weeks seems a long time to wait before they were allowed to see Margaret. It doesn't sound to me that they had help from the consulate or funeral directors, in what would have been quite a traumatic experience not to mention possible language difficulties.
Dyingout's suggestion about the hospital does sound like a likely match, being out in the wilds with nothing else around.
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The building they went to see there mother was definitely not a hospital my friend was sure on that , she said there was sort of paneling as they walked through the corridors, and she and her sisters along with there dad def had to wait 2 weeks after they got to hotel to see mother also adamant on that and she just put down the long wait to paper work ,, I don't know how long after they seen mother that mother was cremated ,, but said when they did see mother it was a biggish room and her mother had a curtain drawn round her
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I would suggest Margaret was kept in a morgue (tanatorio) until the time of her cremation. There are a number on the island such as this one on the north of the island www.memora.es/centro/tanatorio-memora-tenerife (photos of this one show it to have glass fronted walls, see photo below).
The death cert still remain key to try to unravel this further :-\
Monica
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Thank you I will show her the picture and see if it's the one she went to
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Thead getting long and can't remember if this has been asked...
Has your friend considered contacting the British Consulate on the island? They can be contacted by phone or email. Naturally, there should not be a language barrier. Certainly need help with working with the authorities in Tenerife to re establish the facts and obtain the relevant documents.
Sam, you have been doing a great job here :)
www.embassypages.com/unitedkingdom-consulate-santacruzdetenerife-spain
www.gov.uk/world/organisations/british-consulate-santa-cruz-de-tenerife
Monica
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I think I did but all were Spanish, speaking so I couldn't understand
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Maybe worth trying again?
I would have thought the bulk of employees there would be English speaking as they are there to assist the British in Tenerife.
Monica
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Monica an Oldhippyone - I will try the consulate, tomorrow, but it doesn't sound like they may have been involved to me. I had to visit the consulate myself when my father died and they were very helpful, even in getting a postmortem certificate a year after the hospital had promised to send a copy (when they did the postmortem practically a few hour after he died).
I've tried emailing a crematorium, but their online system captia anti-robot link is not working to allow messages to be sent. Apart from the tantorio that Monica suggests there is likely to be one also at a place about 50 minutes away from los Cristianos, next to the cemetery. This building has lots of glass and there is a crematorium I think on site. It could give the impression that it was out of the way as far as habitation is concerned, so I wondered about this one 50 minutes away from Los Cristianos at Santa Lastenia-
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Morgue+St.+Lastenia+-+M%C3%A9mora/@28.4474292,-16.2782271,3a,75y,286.54h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFgeg3y8ALzukK46R5_AzNA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFgeg3y8ALzukK46R5_AzNA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D224%26h%3D298%26yaw%3D286.5395%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m17!1m9!2m8!1sfunerarias!3m6!1sfunerarias!2sCarr.+General,+9,+38627+Arona,+Santa+Cruz+de+Tenerife,+Spain!3s0xc6a99a1bafed283:0x4cd83e2ccb649a6c!4m2!1d-16.6801388!2d28.078786!3m6!1s0xc41cd201c6d0339:0x4c632f184fa9541d!8m2!3d28.4474843!4d-16.2784403!14m1!1BCgIgARICCAI
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Thank you I will show her the picture of the link ,, but it looks like there are buildings close by ,, she said there was no other buildings , I am greatfull for all the help ,, thank you
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In the 16 yrs since Margaret's death, the area surrounding the building your friend went to view her mum may not look the same. Continued building may make the immediate area seem different. Hopefully something in the buildings themselves may trigger a memory.
Monica
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Sam, your link is for the same one I also thought may be a contender with the additional photo. Could well fit don't you think.
Monica
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Emailed the consul via Monica's link. Had a very nice and swift response, telling me how to find a birth in the UK and via the Foreign registered UK deaths!
I've sent another response, but it seems likely they will be of no use. I have asked for a direct email address to the consul in Tenerife, so hoping they will at least do that if nothing else.
AS Monica says, things could look a lot different with more buildings since 2004.
I'm waiting to see if the Arona registry office will have done any more checking at their own (and hopefully) other offices. I'll give them a week. Maybe in that time there may also be someone via the facebook page, actually living in Tenerife, who might be in a better position to be able to help. We can only keep trying, but it might take some time.
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thank you i have her birth but no death registered on scotlands people ,, im greatfull for all the hard work you are doing thank you
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showed the 2 pictures some one posted on hear and jane does not recognized any of them , and went on to say she had to go up a big staircase , and lots of panneling etc in corridor's
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Hi oldhippyone
The good news is ............the last Regsitry office I contacted have located the registration of death!!!
I will have to re-apply via the official internet site, using the references they have sent me, so we will have to wait a bit longer for a copy.
I wrote them an email explaining the date may have been incorrect or the name may have been spelled differently and they very kindly did a wider search.
However, don't get too excited. If the certificates are the same as was when my father died, then the death certificate won't unfortunately tell us the cause of death. However, we will at least have a date and other information that can help in accessing other information which can hopefully help us find that out.
I did also email our Govt consulate service using the link Monica kindly supplied in one of the posts. Unfortunately they said they were not authorised to help us, and sent a few suggestions that included dealing with bereavement and English speaking lawyers and suggested I continue to follow it up with the local authorities in Tenerife.
I will re-apply today for the certificate and see what happens. It may be relatively quick now they have actually found it.
Going back to the photos, I did come across a building with a tall round tower at the entrance, which could be a contender from Jane's description, but i haven't managed to find it again!
Sam
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all of this is brilliant thank you very much for your time , im hoping we get more info on her , and thanks again for going out of your way to help me
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Going back to the photos, I did come across a building with a tall round tower at the entrance, which could be a contender from Jane's description, but i haven't managed to find it again!
Sam
Could it be this one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospital_Universitario_de_Canarias#/media/File:Hospital_Universitario_de_Canarias.png
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thank you i have taken a picture and will ask her on sat when i next see her
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Hi Jool / Oldhippyone
Yes that's the photo I also saw when I was looking last week.
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Oldhippyone
It is possible to get an international death certificate, needed usually for dealing with legalities back home following a death, since it doesn't need to be translated and is accepted as proof of death when someone has died overseas.
However, I can't get a decent enough image online to compare an international multilingual one with the literal Spanish only certificate. It looks to me like there is less information on the international one. So I am going to ask for a literal Spanish certificate, to try and get the most information possible.
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thank you again , i am willing to pay for the certificate just let me know
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Oldhippyone - no payments necessary since the certificate is actually FREE!
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i can not thank you enough
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I have been following this thread & am so pleased it is nearing a happy conclusion; look forward to hearing that Sam Swift has the certificate!!
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thank you he is going out of his way to help me , lovely man
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Indeed :) Sam, that is a fantastic result. All your hard work paid off ;)
A massive piece of the puzzle.
Monica
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However, I can't get a decent enough image online to compare an international multilingual one with the literal Spanish only certificate. It looks to me like there is less information on the international one. So I am going to ask for a literal Spanish certificate, to try and get the most information possible.
Sam, this is a standard modern death certificate www.certificados.pro/DefuncionModerno.pdf
4 main sections to it. Maybe minor variations by province/area:
1. Details on deceased:
Info such as full name, age, where born, parents' names, usual residence.
2. Details of the death:
Where and when the death took place. Details on where the burial or cremation will take place.
3. Informant:
Who reported the death to the registrar. Not always family. This can be done by the funeral director for example.
4. Confirmation of Death:
Doctor who issued the certificate of death.
Monica
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sam swift ,,jane does not recognize any of the 3 pictures on this thread , i think they were all in shock and to upset , but after speaking to her sister , who said she thinks they brought her mothers ashes home ,
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The certificate - well actually certificates, have arrived, but I've placed them in Covid -19 quarantine for a few days after having a brief look at the essential details.
I filled in one form but emailed them to ask if there was any chance of having both the literal (In Spanish - as described by MonicaL)and also the international version which is multilingual but has only the basic facts so Oldhippuone would have an English version. I knew it would take a couple of weeks, so after waiting patiently, I was pleasantly surprised to have about 3 copies of each after asking or 1. They have been so helpful at the registro civil office at Arona, they've really gone that extra mile.
However......as expected, there are sadly no details about Margaret's cause of death, but at least it confirms the time and date as being 5th January 2004. The cremation was to take place at the Tanatoria Servisa (does not state which one - there were 2 - one at Santa Cruz and the other at La Laguna. So now that we have a confirmed death date, I've contacted Servisa to see if they have any copies or details of the medical death certificate that was necessary to register Margaret's death and if they know whether her ashes were scattered at the crematorium (only just seeing your last post about possibly having brought them home). I'll see what they say (hopefully they'll get the email and respond) before I make further inquiries.
I'll look more closely at the other details on the certificates on Thursday, but I think it just gives the local legal directive followed and names of 2 people (not sure yet who they are though).
Oldhippyone I'm sending you a Personal message and I'll see if I can send the certificates to you via the rootschat personal message system in a few days once they're out of quarantine.
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Oh good news; near the end of a long road, well done Sam & everyone else who has helped.
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Sam swift thank you very much for the help ,, if iv not misunderstood did you say it gave the time of death ? I'm sure we would like to know ,, if you cant send the documents through message then maybe if I gave you my email or are you aloud to put them on this thread ? Again a very big thank you ,
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You'll have to send email address by pm; I don't think you can attach files to a pm so Sam won't be able to send you scans via rootschat.
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Ok thank you ,, I will wait till he is able to read the documents
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Sorry very thoughtless of me Sam swift keep safe that is a priority , only open and read the documents when you feel it's safe to ,, please don't rush into it
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Brilliant results, Sam. So very well done :)
Monica
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Oldhippyone- Time of death was 20:30. I've sent you a transcript of the translation of most of the certificate. Part of it will have to wait since it needs closer examination due to fainter writing and some unfamiliar Spanish terms that look at first glance to maybe be judicial terms. You have to write an email address etc in the personal message since email addresses are not allowed on the threads.
I think Josey's right though, looks like I can't send any attachments via rootschat messaging.
Let me know via messaging and I will send them one way or way or another once quarantine is over.
My thanks to everyone who helped with suggestions and links and photos, which all helped in tracking things down so far.
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Sam swift thank you I have your personal message and I have replyed, can I ask what judicial terms meen , does the relationship to inquest or enquiry,
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Oldhippyone
It does seem likely to be an inquest. After a very quick look up, the numbers listed and the terms used could refer to a local judiciary company who may have conducted it. If so, it is worth pursuing to see if we can access the findings of the inquest, since there may be records relating to the reference number. I'm not an expert in legal issues let alone Spanish so I have no idea how difficult it would be to get access. Nothing to be lost by trying though.
I'll have a look at your message.
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Oh inquest report would be very good and probably give answers but as you know I haven't a clue on how to go about getting them