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Title: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: jillruss on Monday 16 March 20 16:49 GMT (UK)
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I did my regular online Tesco shop at the weekend but couldn't get a delivery slot before next Monday. I haven't ordered anything over and above what I usually get but I am beginning to wonder , when it arrives, just how many items are going to be marked 'unavailable' because of these selfish morons?

I'm sure there are still plenty of decent people out there but I do wonder how many would swear at you and elbow you out of the way to get to the last pack of pasta even if they already have 10 packets at home in their cupboard?!!

I know supermarkets are doing their best to counteract these idiots. May I suggest that a good way to shame them might be to use the shop's cctv to film their behaviour and then post it online?  Finally, a good use for social media!
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: dowdstree on Monday 16 March 20 16:49 GMT (UK)
Aye folks back to the war times with rationing might be the only answer.

It could be quite simple to implement as the powers that be already have all our personal details already. Post out coupon books  :)

Dorrie
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Monday 16 March 20 16:52 GMT (UK)
The following is an updated version of something I said on a separate thread a few days ago.

For much of my career, now over, I was involved in what was known as large-scale consumer logistics, basically ensuring that the major retailers never suffered any periods of empty shelves. That is very costly to them so they will go to great investment to avoid it happening.

There were  two main concepts.  Firstly, just in time delivery, which involved having very large out-of-town warehouses, typically close to motorway junctions that could be used to replenish stocks at short notice, during promotions or during any sort of disruption to manufacture.

The other concept was vendor managed inventory. This entails retailers providing their sales information to their suppliers so that suppliers could then be responsible for ensuring correct deliveries. If this short scale panic buying causes any disruption, then 10 years of my career will have been in vain. If people panic buy today, they won't be doing it again, it's a one-off event, the infrastructure of retail is designed to avoid this happening.

I think there might be a temporary shortage of fresh produce from overseas, but it will also mean that there is a glut of home-grown produce which can't be exported so some things will actually be very cheap while others might temporarily be missing. Staff shortages might occasionally cause minor delays.

Martin
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 17:28 GMT (UK)
Social distancing from this weekend for 12 weeks.

Social distancing - North Sea, south of South Shields this afternoon -

Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pheno on Monday 16 March 20 17:45 GMT (UK)
I am 77 Garrard and apart from a hip replacement I think I am almost as good as a younger person, even my butcher told me I was sprightly,  cheeky man!   we are as old as we feel, all this lark about keeping the over 70' s is a load of rubbish, there are a lot of over 70's still working and voluntarily

Louisa Maud

Yes but I think you have missed the point!  If you ignore the stay at home advice and go out and get the virus, it is likely that to cure you of it more NHS resources would have to be deployed to you than a younger person who got the virus, thus reducing the level of care that the NHS could be giving everybody!

Pheno
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Erato on Monday 16 March 20 17:50 GMT (UK)
Supposedly, all shops to be closed tomorrow in Quito - at least that is the rumor on the street.  The closest mini-mart says they're staying open so at least I'll be able to get potato chips and pork rinds.  Deliveries of fresh produce from the countryside are doubtful. There are very few people out and about and it is abnormally quiet.  I got out and purchased a few last minute emergency supplies to beef up what I had already laid in - 2 lbs of coffee, 10 lbs of rice, 2 lbs of pasta, 6 liters of milk, a few fruits and veg.  The rice is mostly to supplement the dog food which I'm afraid I don't have enough of - from now on it's one quarter rice, three quarters dog food.

Now I'm just going to sit at home and watch the stock market tank.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Monday 16 March 20 18:52 GMT (UK)
All restaurants and cafes are closed here now, and President Macron is about to announce a curfew as well as other measures. We've booked our dog in at the vet's tomorrow to get her passport stamped and heading home on Thursday. France with no cafes isn't the same place!
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Viktoria on Monday 16 March 20 19:29 GMT (UK)
Sorry your holiday has been cut short , but there  is no place like home in an emergency.
Have a good journey.
Viktoria.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 March 20 19:42 GMT (UK)
I am confused (a frequent occurrence!)

Having watched the news tonight - am I right in thinking that over 70s CAN go out, but are not supposed to socialise and should just keep distance between themselves and other people?

Or have I misunderstood?
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: IgorStrav on Monday 16 March 20 19:54 GMT (UK)
I am confused (a frequent occurrence!)

Having watched the news tonight - am I right in thinking that over 70s CAN go out, but are not supposed to socialise and should just keep distance between themselves and other people?

Or have I misunderstood?

As I understood it:


For those over 70 and healthy (ie with no underlying health conditions of concern), the recommendation is to proceed as usual and follow the instructions for all other people (who have no special health concerns) to avoid social contact and crowded places.

The suggestion seems to be avoid unnecessary business meetings or travel, and work from home if possible.

For an indeterminate period.

Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: dowdstree on Monday 16 March 20 19:55 GMT (UK)
I think they are now recommending that for everyone Pennines. No pubs, cinema, theatres in fact anywhere where there may be a crowd of people in close proximity to each other. But recommending that older people and those with pre existing medical take extra care.

It was a bit confusing wasn't it!!

Not locking us up yet  :)

Dorrie
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pheno on Monday 16 March 20 19:58 GMT (UK)
However the recommendation is that anyone who is in a category who is offered a free flu jab each winter, (which is all over 65's plus others with a health condition) should not go out for 12 weeks from the point in time that this restriction is announced which is likely to be in the coming week.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: dowdstree on Monday 16 March 20 20:01 GMT (UK)
Never picked up on that point Pheno.

Or have I completely misunderstood what was being said on the TV.

Dorrie
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 March 20 20:05 GMT (UK)
IgorStrav and Dorrie -- thank you, that is what I had thought, but I wasn't absolutely sure.

Pheno -- I didn't hear a statement about those entitled to a free flu jab (ie over 65s) -- so that means over the coming week - over 65s, and those younger, with health conditions allowing them a free flu jab, may be told not to go out for 12 weeks?  Is that correct? (Sorry to be so dense).
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: sonofthom on Monday 16 March 20 20:11 GMT (UK)
The guidance is unclear and confusing which is a shocking indictment on those giving the guidance. Also to criticise people for panic buying while saying that in a few days time people must stay at home for four months seems a very clear instruction to panic buy!
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 20:13 GMT (UK)
IgorStrav and Dorrie -- thank you, that is what I had thought, but I wasn't absolutely sure.

Pheno -- I didn't hear a statement about those entitled to a free flu jab (ie over 65s) -- so that means over the coming week - over 65s, and those younger, with health conditions allowing them a free flu jab, may be told not to go out for 12 weeks?  Is that correct? (Sorry to be so dense).

It starts at the weekend.  I posted about it a while ago with a pic of my walk!

Reply #265

Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 March 20 20:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you Gadget - I saw your lovely photo -- but it just said 'social distancing' which I took to mean, keeping your distance  -- and not an extension to the 'not going out' to include people entitled to free flu jabs -- ie what Pheno has just mentioned.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: IgorStrav on Monday 16 March 20 20:20 GMT (UK)
with regard to the 'people who are invited for a flu jab' I understood that to be not 'everyone over 65' but those who because of other health issues received one.



Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 20:24 GMT (UK)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/pm-tells-britons-to-avoid-non-essential-contact-with-others

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Johnson raised the likelihood of those over 70 and more vulnerable people, such as those with prior health conditions, soon needing to be “largely shielded from social contact for around 12 weeks”.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: trystan on Monday 16 March 20 20:33 GMT (UK)
The guidance applies as soon as they announced it.

Here is a summary from BBC news:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51917562

Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 20:37 GMT (UK)
This is the relevant piece in Trystan's link

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By next weekend, those with the most serious health conditions must be "largely shielded from social contact for around 12 weeks"
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: trystan on Monday 16 March 20 20:38 GMT (UK)
That is the only part of the guidance that does not apply immediately though.

Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 20:41 GMT (UK)
That is the only part of the guidance that does not apply immediately though.

Yes - but when I listened to the press conference they emphasized those with serious health conditions and 70+ as the ones that should be 'shielded' after this weekend.

I wondered if they were leaving it until after Mother's Day
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: trystan on Monday 16 March 20 20:45 GMT (UK)
Quite possibly. Thankfully, I saw my mother this last weekend and left the present and card (and flowers) for her then.

Here is the official guidance:

Guidance on social distancing for everyone in the UK and protecting older people and vulnerable adults
Published 16 March 2020 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults)



Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Gadget on Monday 16 March 20 20:50 GMT (UK)
My relatives are scattered around UK and Eire and friends are mainly over 70 but we have some good neighbours who have offered to help if we need it.

We've decided to drive out to the coast or moors and go for walks - it's a wonderful wild and empty countryside up here  :)

Very worried about those living alone or poor.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 March 20 20:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for the link -- so the over 70s are NOT being forbidden to leave their homes. It is literally 'social distancing' and avoiding the use of public transport.

Can I also say an enormous thank you to Trystan -- and to all my fellow members --what would we do without Rootschat!! It's an absolute boon. I so appreciate the inter-action.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Erato on Monday 16 March 20 20:55 GMT (UK)
"drive out to the coast or moors and go for walks"

I wish I had that option.
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Nick_Ips on Monday 16 March 20 21:16 GMT (UK)
The guidance is unclear and confusing which is a shocking indictment on those giving the guidance.

The guidance trystan linked to is a lot clearer than the rumours circulating on the internet. It is always best to go to an official source if possible.

Also to criticise people for panic buying while saying that in a few days time people must stay at home for four months seems a very clear instruction to panic buy!

The guidance explains that "the public sector, business, charities, and the general public are gearing up to help those advised to stay at home." This sounds broadly the same as what I suggested yesterday would be happening - arrangements will be made to get food and medicines to people who don't have others to help them.

The guidance at the present time is the measures are likely to be required for 12 weeks. That is slightly less than three months, not four.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: groom on Monday 16 March 20 21:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks Trystan, that's cleared up a lot of doubt. A lot of it is common sense isn't it?
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: trystan on Monday 16 March 20 21:40 GMT (UK)
The BBC has just made available the full program on the BBC IPlayer of the briefing:

Briefing 16 May 2020:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000gwmw/bbc-news-special-coronavirus-daily-update-16032020

The Downing Street footage starts 20 minutes in (move the slider across on the IPlayer).

Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: genjen on Monday 16 March 20 21:48 GMT (UK)
I'm not quite in the seventy and older age group ( that happens next year) but I do have asthma so am heeding the warnings. Indeed, I have been heeding the warnings since before they happened! Social distancing makes sense, even though it will be very strange and difficult for many. I have the Lake District and the Yorkshire Dales at my disposal so am hoping to get out for some good walks as the spring weather comes in.
But like many others, it means not seeing the members of my family who don't live locally.
I have many friends who make their living through their music and they are really struggling now, with gigs being cancelled and long term travel restrictions in place. I feel so sorry for them.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Monday 16 March 20 22:02 GMT (UK)
I have no problem with the advice given.
 My wife and I have already started to cut down on social contact. I'm 70 this year, my wife next, but we both have "underlying problems". We gave up going to a first birthday party yesterday, we have cancelled an overnight hotel stay and will not be going to the associated Hollies concert next month, we have cancelled a cruise due in May and I will not be going to the gym and my language class. We may also not go to other concerts for which we have tickets, but they are some way off so we'll see.
We have plenty of work in the garden, will possibly go out for a walk and or drive and I may go fishing as I'm usually alone and in the middle of nowhere.
Not sure yet about shopping but I'm sure we'll be alright. We have a couple of neighbours who may help out but let's see what the national proposals are.
My wife was in our local "green" supermarket yesterday, because we needed this week's shopping, where, she was told by a staff member, people were queuing up well before opening at 10am and went on to over-buy the usual items. Furthermore, the thieving classes nicked the toilet rolls placed in the toilets that morning.
It really is time the supermarkets took some responsibility for allowing panic buying. It needs to be stopped. I am wondering what will happen to some of the foodstuffs when people find they are "out of date". I assume they will, without compunction, throw it away just as easily as they panic bought it. They really must possess a huge sense of entitlement and believe their need is greater than anyone else's. No social conscience for the me, me, me brigade.
Keep yer chin up and stay safe.
 :)
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Monday 16 March 20 22:10 GMT (UK)
The BBC has just made available the full program on the BBC IPlayer of the briefing:

Just a word of caution to people clicking on that link -

You need to have a TV licence to use iPlayer. If you don't have a valid TV licence you would be committing an offence if you watch it.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: mike175 on Monday 16 March 20 22:18 GMT (UK)
Best idea I've heard so far is one or two shops having a special OAP's hour before opening to the general public. Might be tricky to police, but would be rather good if it spreads to the main supermarkets  8)
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Greensleeves on Monday 16 March 20 22:40 GMT (UK)
As a matter of interest, President Macron of France addressed the nation this evening, thus:

He announced the immediate closure of borders, advised people to stay at home other than for walking for health or essential shopping All taxes, national insurance, rents, electricity, gas and other utility bills etc etc cancelled with immediate effect, and food and provisions to be made available for the poorest in society.

Compare and contrast....

Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: cuffie81 on Monday 16 March 20 22:41 GMT (UK)
The BBC also live streamed the PM's update on their YouTube channel. It's available for replay and includes a signer and subtitles (need to be enabled in the YT player).

BBC: Coronavirus: Boris Johnson delivers first daily update [16 Mar]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eauc67Ba-8k
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Monday 16 March 20 22:50 GMT (UK)
I just want to say a word of grateful thanks to those working in the NHS and Caring Profession who are working on the front line at the moment. They too are taking risks with their health but because of their professional dedication they just get on with the job in hand.

My niece is a Community Nurse in Edinburgh. Every day she visits people in their own homes to give injections, change dressings and other medical duties. She has two young children at home and no partner. Someone suggested that she should go "on the sick" instead of working with the threat of contracting the virus hanging over her. She was absolutely horrified and pointed out that she was a medical professional and would never consider doing such a thing.

This is only one example of those dedicated people who are working tirelessly to help us get through this emergency.

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Monday 16 March 20 23:05 GMT (UK)
Compare and contrast....

France are a week (possibly two) ahead of us in terms of progression of this terrible disease.

Perhaps it would be better to leave the comparisons until we reach the equivalent point, and when we have a better understanding of what measures the UK Government intends to implement?

It is fairly obvious that we are in a rapidly developing situation and the Government is unable (and perhaps thinks it is unwise) to spell out everything it will be doing in detail, all in one go.

Or better still, perhaps we can acknowledge that each country and the way it is affected by CV is going to be unique - and making such comparisons will only cause division and confusion. Which is the last thing we really need right now.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Monday 16 March 20 23:09 GMT (UK)
I just want to say a word of grateful thanks to those working in the NHS and Caring Profession who are working on the front line at the moment. They too are taking risks with their health but because of their professional dedication they just get on with the job in hand.

Completely agree. Some of what they will be witnessing is going to have a profound effect on them - they will need support in many ways.

We should also think about the other people who provide essential services and will be working hard at some personal risk to keep things going.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Jackiemh on Monday 16 March 20 23:14 GMT (UK)
The main supermarkets here (Woolies & Coles, Australia) are now opening at 7am to allow the elderly and disabled to have an hour's access without the crowds. Trouble is that some shelves are empty.
I went yesterday at my normal time (8.30am) and it was more like a Saturday. All the checkouts were open and people were generally being sensible.
A drive through clinic opened here too with some people being turned away as they weren't showing a
temperature.
Anzac marches are cancelled too.
Jackie
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Monday 16 March 20 23:23 GMT (UK)
Quote from post 1:
It could be quite simple to implement as the powers that be already have all our personal details already. Post out coupon books.

I have had to have my GP fill out a "Fitness to Drive" form, for those over 75. It was sent out by the people who issue drivers licenses, so they know how old I am :'( and where I live :-X

How they will control us to stop us going out, I have no idea.

As for not mingling, I have every intention of going to bowls each week, to allow OH some respite from having me around all the time ;D
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Monday 16 March 20 23:55 GMT (UK)
Watching the PM and the two medical chaps giving us their latest advice I found it very namby pamby and wish they be more decisive as people seem unclear in how to act! Watching various interviews with some people on tv tonight it would appear they've no idea what staying away from public places actually means. We need  more firm information... perhaps that will come in the next few days.
My hubby is 70 and has 'underlying health issues ' I will be next year and am as fit as a fiddle but have now stopped all my social activities to be on the safe side.... I have to do some shopping tomorrow so plan to go early in the hope there is something to purchase.... sure they won't have run out if wine yet!
We live in a small village with no amenities so have to drive everywhere, there are quite a lot our age and older so whose going to shop for us when we're stuck indoors I wonder.
Our garden is going to look spectacular this year as we'll have plenty of time to do it sadly no one to admire it with us...
Just keep cheerful and stay calm and healthy.

Caroline
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: trystan on Tuesday 17 March 20 00:03 GMT (UK)
How they will control us to stop us going out, I have no idea.

I expect they believe that you want to survive this crisis. They don't want to have to control you, they want you to take control of your own health, not only for yourself, but for others.

That is my understanding.
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 00:08 GMT (UK)
We live in a small village with no amenities so have to drive everywhere, there are quite a lot our age and older so whose going to shop for us when we're stuck indoors I wonder.

As per the guidance trystan linked to earlier -

"the public sector, business, charities, and the general public are gearing up to help those advised to stay at home."

There is no detail (yet) on how this will work, but I think it is reasonable to expect there to be some kind of contact point such as your local council who will arrange to find out what shopping (and medicines) you need and have it delivered to you.

Edit: And I suspect the reason the details haven't been published yet is to give the organisations time to prepare and put systems in place so when they do publish the detail they are ready to handle the volume of contact they are likely to get. (some of which will probably be from people who don't really need the help but are trying it on to add to their stockpile of toilet roll and pasta)
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Dundee on Tuesday 17 March 20 00:10 GMT (UK)
Meanwhile in America they are lining up to buy guns, not toilet paper.  No surprise there.  Maybe the guns are to protect their toilet paper.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: trystan on Tuesday 17 March 20 00:13 GMT (UK)
Meanwhile in America they are lining up to buy guns, not toilet paper.  No surprise there.  Maybe the guns are to protect their toilet paper.

Debra  :)

Or wild boar.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: majm on Tuesday 17 March 20 00:14 GMT (UK)
Meanwhile in America they are lining up to buy guns, not toilet paper.  No surprise there.  Maybe the guns are to protect their toilet paper.

Debra  :)

or to put in the perforations for the sheets.   :)  afterall they are not allowed to gather in groups of ten or more now. 

JM
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 17 March 20 01:15 GMT (UK)
The BBC has just made available the full program on the BBC IPlayer of the briefing:

You need to have a TV licence to use iPlayer. If you don't have a valid TV licence you would be committing an offence if you watch it.

I think I'd be inclined to worry more about catching the virus over being caught without a relevant licence.

It's very difficult for them to prove &/or take anyone to court for not having one as it's not classed as a criminal offence.

Annie
Title: Re: Re: state of emergency
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 17 March 20 01:49 GMT (UK)

Here is the official guidance:

Guidance on social distancing for everyone in the UK and protecting older people and vulnerable adults
Published 16 March 2020 (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults)

Thanks for posting link.
 I'm a "vulnerable adult". If I've correctly understood the document I'm in the special category "at even greater risk of severe illness from Covid-19". "Bespoke guidance will be provided by your G.P. next week."  I should receive a letter with advice on "more stringent measures". In the meantime "you should rigorously follow the social distancing in full". (Carry a 2 metre ruler?) That's NHS England though and I'm not in England. I shall watch for the postman next week.
I've been "social distancing" to a large extent for the past fortnight and had been limiting contact for the previous 3 months, even Before Covid-19 (B.C.) I go out to hospital, local shops for food & essentials, and for walks. I sometimes arrange to meet a friend outdoors. Not been on public transport for a month and shan't for a while.
Perhaps I'll be issued with an official notice to wear when I'm out "Caution!  Special Category Vulnerable Person. Do not approach within 2 metres" in big red letters.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Tuesday 17 March 20 02:02 GMT (UK)
In all the confusion and madness regarding the caronavirus, surely the medical "experts" have thought of how Edward Jenner started the vaccination of people in the early 1800's to prevent smallpox.

Just get a person how has recovered from the virus, and get some of their blood plasma, and inject it into those most susceptible, with the antibodies with have been created by the recovered person.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 17 March 20 02:07 GMT (UK)
Re reply #49. There are rules about testing vaccines and medicines which didn't exist when Jenner did.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 17 March 20 02:44 GMT (UK)
They are on to that already

https://hub.jhu.edu/2020/03/13/covid-19-antibody-sera-arturo-casadevall/
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 06:20 GMT (UK)
In all the confusion and madness regarding the caronavirus, surely the medical "experts" have thought of how Edward Jenner started the vaccination of people in the early 1800's to prevent smallpox.

Just get a person how has recovered from the virus, and get some of their blood plasma, and inject it into those most susceptible, with the antibodies with have been created by the recovered person.

Yes, immunology has come on a lot in the last couple of hundred years - even to the point where medical experts don't need the " " around their name.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mowsehowse on Tuesday 17 March 20 07:27 GMT (UK)
The shopping problem is worrying and annoying.
We generally do our weekly shop on a Monday morning as it is so quiet and peaceful.
Yesterday it was like Christmas Eve with people barging around and clearing the shelves of non perishables.
But also, the meat aisle was empty.  Nothing that we normally buy on a weekly basis was available, not the turkey meat nor the fish.
And don't get me started on UHT milk. I don't know why it is my husband's preferred choice, but we always take 3 or 4 UHT soya, and 4 UHT cows milk. Since the crisis began we have only been able to buy fresh cows milk in plastic containers.
I was able to pick up a shower gel as mine is used up, but I went into 4 different stores in the High Street on Saturday for a hand soap, and found empty racks in every store. Most odd, and irritating.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 17 March 20 07:33 GMT (UK)
How about this to cheer us up  :-\  What a wonderful little boy!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-51907474
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Tuesday 17 March 20 07:59 GMT (UK)
My husband is almost 80 but I am a sprightly 58.  He is now retired but only three years ago following a heart attack.  He is fit and healthy but I worry about him getting this virus.  I work part time doing office work in an environment which provides a service for people who are homeless and vulnerable. Following the government advice yesterday I have asked my employer if I can work at home as much as possible to avoid taking the virus home to my husband.  I also fear for his sanity if he has to be indoors too long and can't get out to talk to people.  My employer is considering my request and I should know later today.  But, I was given the impression that I am try to 'skive off' which I'm not.  I'm happy to do the work but I don't want to put my husband at risk.  What is wrong with that?

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: guest189040 on Tuesday 17 March 20 09:05 GMT (UK)
My husband is almost 80 but I am a sprightly 58.  He is now retired but only three years ago following a heart attack.  He is fit and healthy but I worry about him getting this virus.  I work part time doing office work in an environment which provides a service for people who are homeless and vulnerable. Following the government advice yesterday I have asked my employer if I can work at home as much as possible to avoid taking the virus home to my husband.  I also fear for his sanity if he has to be indoors too long and can't get out to talk to people.  My employer is considering my request and I should know later today.  But, I was given the impression that I am try to 'skive off' which I'm not.  I'm happy to do the work but I don't want to put my husband at risk.  What is wrong with that?

Rishile

So your employer provides services for the homeless and vulnerable yet they think you want to skive.

The attitude of your employer sucks big time.

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 09:05 GMT (UK)
What a wonderful wee boy. It heartened me reading your link BumbleB.

Rishile many companies are supposed to be looking into this working from home but they are too slow to put it into practice unfortunately. My daughter is in a similar position to yourself and is awaiting a management decision. I will add that she works for a large Christian Church organisation.

 Thousands of people are going to be out of work soon as businesses are forced to close. I wonder how they will get money. Will they be classified as unemployed? and have to wait weeks if not months for benefits?

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Tuesday 17 March 20 09:08 GMT (UK)
My husband is almost 80 but I am a sprightly 58.  He is now retired but only three years ago following a heart attack.  He is fit and healthy but I worry about him getting this virus.  I work part time doing office work in an environment which provides a service for people who are homeless and vulnerable. Following the government advice yesterday I have asked my employer if I can work at home as much as possible to avoid taking the virus home to my husband.  I also fear for his sanity if he has to be indoors too long and can't get out to talk to people.  My employer is considering my request and I should know later today.  But, I was given the impression that I am try to 'skive off' which I'm not.  I'm happy to do the work but I don't want to put my husband at risk.  What is wrong with that?

Rishile

So your employer provides services for the homeless and vulnerable yet they think you want to skive.

The attitude of your employer sucks big time.

I will reserve my judgement on that until I find out later today  :)

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mike175 on Tuesday 17 March 20 09:53 GMT (UK)
Well, being public-spirited I thought I would try ordering my groceries for home delivery. I am over 70 but reasonably fit and well, in the sense that I'm not on any medication. All went well until I came to the 'checkout' . . . I won't be able to eat for the next ten days as the next available delivery is 28th March  :o

Luckily I can go to the shop myself or send my son but it does highlight the problems with this self-isolation proposal. We can only hope the shops quickly adjust to the new situation.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 10:19 GMT (UK)
And don't get me started on UHT milk. I don't know why it is my husband's preferred choice, but we always take 3 or 4 UHT soya, and 4 UHT cows milk. Since the crisis began we have only been able to buy fresh cows milk in plastic containers.

If the (cows) milk has been homogenised and is in plastic bottles it is normally ok to freeze them - check the label though to make sure it is ok. And best to do some research online about how to freeze and how to defrost etc.

And never use glass bottles in the freezer.  :o

The defrosted milk sometimes has a different flavour and texture to fresh milk, but if UHT is normally preferred I'm not sure the difference will be noticeable. Often better results can be had from skimmed or semi-skimmed milk - the fat content is part of the problem.

I don't know about freezing other kinds of milk, but I'm sure the internet has all the answers somewhere.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 17 March 20 10:42 GMT (UK)
UHT milk UGH!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 17 March 20 10:50 GMT (UK)
Milk - UGH - not had any for 73 years  :-X

Nick seems to be very knowledgeable about a lot of things :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Romilly on Tuesday 17 March 20 10:53 GMT (UK)

I brought the last tub of 'Marvel Skimmed Milk Powder' in the supermarket.

I didn't know you could still get it! It'll do in an emergency I suppose...

Romilly  :-\
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:01 GMT (UK)
We have to fill one of these in if we step outside the house, giving the reason for our journey.
The local shops have been ordered to only let a few people in at a time, and we wait , 2 metres apart , in a queue outside. We all had a right telling off last night from President Macron but people are taking it more seriously today.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:04 GMT (UK)
So do you have to carry that and show it if stopped, Mike?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:21 GMT (UK)
Nick seems to be very knowledgeable about a lot of things :)

Preparing for an emergency and/or isolation was a fundamental part of my childhood. Where we lived made it essential.

Then I spent a significant part of my working life in a team of people who were doing that on behalf of a few hundred thousand people.

You pick up a lot of information and ideas along the way.  :)

The most important thing is not to panic. Look out for instructions/guidance, then follow it as best you can.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:25 GMT (UK)
So do you have to carry that and show it if stopped, Mike?
Yes, and the gendarmes do stop you and check.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:26 GMT (UK)
Will be thinking of you, Mike. Take care  :)

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:31 GMT (UK)
Yes, and the gendarmes do stop you and check.

What if you don't have a printer or have run out of ink? Are they distributing blank forms to people who might need one?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Manchester Rambler on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:49 GMT (UK)
Quote
What if you don't have a printer or have run out of ink? Are they distributing blank forms to people who might need one?

You can copy it it (ie write it out manually) on blank paper. One of my sons works in the food industry, so he'll be needing it every day.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 11:56 GMT (UK)
Quote
What if you don't have a printer or have run out of ink? Are they distributing blank forms to people who might need one?

You can copy it it (ie write it out manually) on blank paper. One of my sons works in the food industry, so he'll be needing it every day.

Exactly that. We've filled the top part in with ink but the tick boxes and date with pencil so that we should get away with just one form.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:00 GMT (UK)
Hope no one takes offence about this, but it made me laugh
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Bee on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:08 GMT (UK)
Hope no one takes offence about this, but it made me laugh

No offence taken, we need all the humour we can get to help us through the coming months

take care
 :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:25 GMT (UK)
You can copy it it (ie write it out manually) on blank paper. One of my sons works in the food industry, so he'll be needing it every day.
Exactly that. We've filled the top part in with ink but the tick boxes and date with pencil so that we should get away with just one form.

Thanks, both common-sense solutions. Hope it works well.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: medpat on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:29 GMT (UK)
Lots of places have had to close here in Cyprus, including hotels until 30th April. No tourists allowed in at the moment and will be reviewed again at a later date. Rigorous controls for those in the allowed groups when arriving at the airports.

Schools closed for a few days - to be reviewed.

Shops, cafes etc. closed only pharmacies, medical treatment places, supermarkets, bakeries and takeaways allowed, limits on numbers in a gathering - all policed and some already fined.

Students at colleges and universities off the island being offered 750 euro to stay put rather than return here for Easter. Home working as much as possible.

Island is in lock down.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: despair on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:34 GMT (UK)
A slight aside,but the "atmosphere" when Professor Chris Whitty starts to speak reminds me of Ian
MacDonald during the Falklands conflict.

Roger
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gillg on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:38 GMT (UK)
Had an interesting conversation during my permitted walk today.  I met a chap who turned out to be a Parish Councillor in the next village and we chatted for a while, keeping a good distance apart.  He told me that councils had received a letter from the Government inquiring how many spaces they had left in their burial grounds.  Makes you think.  :o
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:45 GMT (UK)
The toilet roll panic is quite simple.
We have been asked to cough or sneeze into our elbows, therefore people need lots of toilet paper because most people can't tell their arse from their elbow.
:D

Stop worrying so much about how it's going to work, lots of counties are doing all this isolation stuff already and it is doable, everywhere is finding ways to cope with the difficulties in different ways that suit the area, we can all do this.
I've been isolating with my mother for a while now, we have family to do our shopping but if we didn't in our town we just have to ring the local Garda (police) station and they have the list of people willing to shop etc and will sent some one to help. Simple and safe system put in place by the local police.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:46 GMT (UK)
Groom - No offence taken as I am still laughing at the cats  ;D

We must keep our sense of humour or all will be lost.

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:51 GMT (UK)
Groom - No offence taken as I am still laughing at the cats  ;D

We must keep our sense of humour or all will be lost.

Dorrie

I totally agree. Dorrie.  I think we need more of Jan's jokes  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:53 GMT (UK)
Love the cats Groom made me laugh... much needed at the moment.

Sadly we've had to close our village hall for all events for the foreseeable future... cuts the heart right out of the village when so many gather for table tennis, Yogalates, circle dancing, short mat bowls, WI etc etc. Loss of revenue too.. only up side is we'd planned to have the wooden floors sanded and revarnished and we're finding it hard to get a weeks space... now they'll have all the time in the world!
 Still keep smiling the weather is cheerful, the birds are singing and the shops still have wine left 🍷🥂🍾

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:56 GMT (UK)
I've got a terrible confession. I went out to a local small supermarket to get salad for the next 3 nights and my favourite wine was on special offer, £1 off per bottle so I had to panic buy and get 6.

Martin
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 12:57 GMT (UK)
The toilet roll panic is quite simple.
We have been asked to cough or sneeze into our elbows, therefore people need lots of toilet paper because most people can't tell their arse from their elbow.
:

I thought it was because whenever one person sneezes, 10 others have a slight accident.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:13 GMT (UK)
Our wonderful local Co-op had soap in stock today  :o
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:13 GMT (UK)
Martin - shame on you but I do hope you enjoy your tipple. ;D

On the subject of animal toileting I have just asked my dog about this. He thinks that humans are wasting their money buying toilet rolls and cats are totally disgusting licking their rear parts.
His preferred method is dragging his bottom along a carpet or rug. Much more hygienic in his opinion.  ;D ;D

Oh well each to his own !!!!!

Dorrie (on behalf of Rory, Cocker Spaniel)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Greensleeves on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:20 GMT (UK)
Nick seems to be very knowledgeable about a lot of things :)

Preparing for an emergency and/or isolation was a fundamental part of my childhood. Where we lived made it essential.

Crumbs, I can't remember Ipswich being that exciting and edgy in the 1970s.....    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: despair on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:21 GMT (UK)
Groom’s photo reminds me of the old story about
the inventor of the “cat’s eyes” reflectors used in
roads who is said to have got his inspiration for
the invention when his car headlights picked out
a cat fin the road facing his car at night.
This is said to be an example of serendipity.
If the cat had been facing the other way he would
only have invented the pencil sharpener!

Roger
Title: Re: State of emergency (part 2)
Post by: ReadyDale on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:26 GMT (UK)
As for not mingling, I have every intention of going to bowls each week, to allow OH some respite from having me around all the time ;D
Many of the indoor clubs around our way have now closed down until further notice.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:47 GMT (UK)
"I was able to pick up a shower gel"

What's a shower gel?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:51 GMT (UK)
Crumbs, I can't remember Ipswich being that exciting and edgy in the 1970s.....    ;D ;D ;D

 ;)

I was living in a wilder part of the county, with fewer creature comforts than the town dwellers.

Regular power cuts in the Autumn, snowed-in during the Winter, plus the impact of strikes in various services.

Also having USAF families for neighbours was a constant reminder we might only be days away from bright flashes in the sky followed by an urgent need to stay at home and survive on what we had in the house.

I imagine in the future people will be talking about 2020 in the same way people of a certain age talk about the Cuban Missile Crisis - except this time it will be about what actually happened, not about what might have happened.

On the plus side I got to learn all about preserving and bottling fruit, what can and can't be frozen, keeping cupboards full, growing your own food, the importance of being neighbourly, and most importantly... to look for solutions to problems rather than complaining that someone else hasn't fixed it for you.

That last skill has come in handy doing family history research.   ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:53 GMT (UK)
....my favourite wine was on special offer, £1 off per bottle so I had to panic buy and get 6.

Its ok so long as you bought them to tide you over the next 12 weeks rather than to finish them all off in one session.  ;)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 17 March 20 13:57 GMT (UK)
Spoilsport  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:00 GMT (UK)
"I was able to pick up a shower gel"

What's a shower gel?

A thick liquid product for washing yourself in the shower.

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:07 GMT (UK)
Spoilsport  :)

I was thinking of Martin's welfare..... 83 days is a long time to go without your favourite wine.  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: pharmaT on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:12 GMT (UK)
Crumbs, I can't remember Ipswich being that exciting and edgy in the 1970s.....    ;D ;D ;D

 ;)

I was living in a wilder part of the county, with fewer creature comforts than the town dwellers.

Regular power cuts in the Autumn, snowed-in during the Winter, plus the impact of strikes in various services.

Also having USAF families for neighbours was a constant reminder we might only be days away from bright flashes in the sky followed by an urgent need to stay at home and survive on what we had in the house.

I imagine in the future people will be talking about 2020 in the same way people of a certain age talk about the Cuban Missile Crisis - except this time it will be about what actually happened, not about what might have happened.

On the plus side I got to learn all about preserving and bottling fruit, what can and can't be frozen, keeping cupboards full, growing your own food, the importance of being neighbourly, and most importantly... to look for solutions to problems rather than complaining that someone else hasn't fixed it for you.

That last skill has come in handy doing family history research.   ;D

This is like memory of the late 70s, and early 80s, except it was US Navy and RNAB we had to deal with.  As a result I've had an emergency power cut/snowed in kit for most of my adult life.  Technology has made it more refined than I remember having as a child.  My Dad had a cats whisker radio I have a wind up/ rechargable one.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:15 GMT (UK)
I am very self disciplined. If ever I buy anything on special offer, I never consume it any faster than normal.

Can you freeze iceberg lettuce?

Nick, I'm only 62, so I am still a free man.

Martin
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:23 GMT (UK)
"I was able to pick up a shower gel"

What's a shower gel?

Soap, water and a big chunk of plastic.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:23 GMT (UK)


Can you freeze iceberg lettuce?


Martin


Only if you use it to make soup.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:25 GMT (UK)
I've just been stopped by the gendarmes on the way back from the vet. I'm glad I had my attestation filled out - instant fine otherwise.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:34 GMT (UK)
There's a fine of up to $6000 in Quito for being out in a public place except to buy food or medicine, to work at an essential occupation [including food delivery services] or in cases of medical emergency.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:42 GMT (UK)
Escaped out this morning -- couldn't get an on line shopping slot for Sainsburys - so I went.

It was very quiet in the store actually, but empty shelves dotted about. Customers were laughing and joking about the situation (ie unable to get certain things I mean). I couldn't get my normal wine! Why? Anyway got 2 bottles of another type and may find I like it better.

Roads were really quiet.

As I am registered with my GP for booking appts on line -- I receive a 'Patient Access' email every now and then - about general health matters. Just received the latest issue and one of the articles covered is ;
'How to get help for Hypochondria and Health Anxiety'!

I don't know if the link will work -- but if anyone reading this thinks they might be a Hypochondriac OR is suffering from Health Anxiety - here you go!

https://patient.info/news-and-features/how-to-get-a-handle-on-hypochondria?xnpe_tifc=4D4.OIo8xFLshfPsOIxDxjpJRfn-xdhNxDblbdxAhFnjxZllbfYptIzjbfnAhfopbIx8OF18hkYlrFhuOFPubdYdOkQsbfoDxuYT&utm_source=exponea&utm_campaign=PA%20warm-up%20week%203&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:44 GMT (UK)
Nick, I'm only 62, so I am still a free man.

Apologies Martin, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.  :)

But I guess before long we will be following the French model and needing a very good reason to be out and about. Not sure if 'buying wine' will be on the list.  ;)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:50 GMT (UK)
Nick, I'm only 62, so I am still a free man.

Apologies Martin, I didn't mean to imply otherwise.  :)

But I guess before long we will be following the French model and needing a very good reason to be out and about. Not sure if 'buying wine' will be on the list.  ;)

I'm sure you could claim it's for medical purposes.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:50 GMT (UK)
Found out this morning that our GP Surgery is not now giving out appointments in the usual way. Instead when you phone you will be given a call back from a doctor and he will either give you a time slot to attend the surgery if that is really necessary or send a prescription to the local pharmacy for collection/delivery to you.

This seems sensible to avoid lots of people sitting in the waiting room all together maybe spreading germs.

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:52 GMT (UK)
Nick, "following a French model" sounds like an excellent idea.

Martin
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:56 GMT (UK)
Mart - Viktoria won't be too pleased with you if you do that. Although only yesterday she was hoping to nab a young policeman to escort her home --- so yes - get your own back!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Tuesday 17 March 20 14:59 GMT (UK)
Our coop has some great wine deals at the moment...
Bancroft, Oyster Bay  sav blanc at £4.90 & £4.70 respectively then 15% off for buying 4 bottles.... it's a no brainer in my opinion!

Promise not to drink it all at once!

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 15:06 GMT (UK)
We are all stocked up...Wine, Chocolate, Books and Jigsaws relatives have just brought us wine supplies bought in France two weeks ago, we won't be touching it for three days ;D ;D
Seriously though, we have been out for fresh bread and milk and have decided to keep provisions stocked up to last for a fortnight, the given duration of total isolation in the event of catching the virus. We both wore gloves whilst out and about.  We cleaned the bins wheelie bins this morning after they had been emptied.
It is worrying times for all of us, the Heritage Centre where I am a volunteer has closed today until further notice. Our son is currently working at Offut Air Force Base in Omaha, where he is training recruits in aircraft operations and controls and doesn't yet know know whether he will get out of the country in three weeks time  :-\
Daughter and SIL have their own business and say that business has fallen dramatically over the last week.
If everyone takes responsibly for their own welfare and follows Government guidelines appropriate to their age and circumstances that will hopefully helps to ease the spread of the virus. I feel that it's going to be a long road to recovery.
Stay safe and take care.
Carol 
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 15:11 GMT (UK)
Nick, "following a French model" sounds like an excellent idea.

Be careful, her boyfriend might be a young policeman.

Mart - Viktoria won't be too pleased with you if you do that. Although only yesterday she was hoping to nab a young policeman to escort her home --- so yes - get your own back!

The UK police don't (yet) have the powers to fine people on the spot, so being escorted home might still be an option. But Viktoria needs to get a move on as I think the emergency legislation coming later this week will give the Police peacetime powers none of us have ever seen the like of in the UK.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Tuesday 17 March 20 15:11 GMT (UK)

Also having USAF families for neighbours was a constant reminder we might only be days away from bright flashes in the sky followed by an urgent need to stay at home and survive on what we had in the house.


I rather suspect, despite the advice given in that work of fiction, namely the "Protect and Survive" booklet, that should you have seen those bright flashes in the sky or anywhere else, then you would not have had a home and, should you have survived initially, you would have not lasted very long thereafter.
 :)


Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 17 March 20 15:53 GMT (UK)
I've just been stopped by the gendarmes on the way back from the vet. I'm glad I had my attestation filled out - instant fine otherwise.

Mike, do you know what the situation might be for people travelling, in a motorhome, through France en route for the tunnel? My friends got out of Spain, into France, a few days ago but have to travel up to Calais for their crossing on Friday. Just wondering?

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 15:58 GMT (UK)
I've just been stopped by the gendarmes on the way back from the vet. I'm glad I had my attestation filled out - instant fine otherwise.

Mike, do you know what the situation might be for people travelling, in a motorhome, through France en route for the tunnel? My friends got out of Spain, into France, a few days ago but have to travel up to Calais for their crossing on Friday. Just wondering?
My guess is that they'd be OK, as it would be easy enough to explain to any gendarme what they were doing. I think most spot checks would be in and around towns rather than on the motorways. To be on the safe side, though, I would print (or write out) one of those forms and fill it in, just in case they meet a particularly awkward officer.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:02 GMT (UK)
Thanks Mike, I shall probably be in touch with them later so will let them know - if they don't already.  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:02 GMT (UK)


The UK police don't (yet) have the powers to fine people on the spot, so being escorted home might still be an option. But Viktoria needs to get a move on as I think the emergency legislation coming later this week will give the Police peacetime powers none of us have ever seen the like of in the UK.

Not sure about that. Last night it was said that it will be reviewed in three weeks and if people haven't been following the request to social distance, and to stay away from bars, restaurants etc then they will bring in laws to enforce it. People do seem to be taking note judging by the way places are shutting down - all the theatres, sporting events, religious gatherings and so forth.

A friend who is a mobile hairdresser works two days in a care home, so she's been told not go in. Family are not allowed either unless someone is on their death bed. She was telling me there is on lady there who has been married 60 years and her husband visits her everyday, but he's not allowed  in. Very sad.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:07 GMT (UK)
I rather suspect, despite the advice given in that work of fiction, namely the "Protect and Survive" booklet, that should you have seen those bright flashes in the sky or anywhere else, then you would not have had a home and, should you have survived initially, you would have not lasted very long thereafter.

None of us know how many (if any) would have survived, but evidence from Hiroshima and Nagasaki suggests a reasonable percentage of the population some distance from a small-scale event would have survived. And the risk wasn't just about an all-out war, there was also the potential for USAF personnel to get a bit careless or unlucky.

It has become quite fashionable to mock "Protect and Survive", but some of the comments are based on a misunderstanding of what it was really about. Obviously you won't survive if you are very close to a nuclear explosion, but for people further away it was important to know what to expect and to use simple mitigation techniques to try to maximise the chances of survival.

We've actually seen the same thing with coronavirus. The initial advice about washing your hands was subjected to ridicule, less so now.

In terms of the 1980 booklet, the statement "Everything within a certain distance of a nuclear explosion will be totally destroyed" (page 5) wasn't fiction. Neither was the advice on page 14 (to stock food for 14 days) or page 15 that reminded people of the need to have soap and toilet rolls.

Taken as a whole it may well have had more value as propaganda than anything else, but the kernels of advice contained within it were true, and many of them remain relevant today.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ankerdine on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:11 GMT (UK)
I've got a terrible confession. I went out to a local small supermarket to get salad for the next 3 nights and my favourite wine was on special offer, £1 off per bottle so I had to panic buy and get 6.

Martin

I am so glad you posted this. On my OH's 80 birthday he received a simply delicious CduR wine which we were told came from Sainsburys. We searched for it but it wasn't from S but from Aldi and it was only £4.99. I bought 6 bottles yesterday at Aldi but was so embarrassed to be stopped at the checkout for trying to purchase 6 of something! Did I blush and another customer laughed and said "well, you won't get drunk now"!

Joking apart, it's a good thing to prohibit multiple purchases, I think. 😉

Judy
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:15 GMT (UK)
Thanks Mike, I shall probably be in touch with them later so will let them know - if they don't already.  :)

Gen...My SIL and BIL have travelled from Spain through France in their motorhome, they went out by ferry in January but travelled home yesterday via the channel tunnel and have stayed over in Canterbury and will be home tomorrow.
They have brought us back several boxes of wine  ;D
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:16 GMT (UK)
BUT you only had to forfeit 2 bottles, I think.  At least that is the rule in our local Aldi at the moment, no more than 4.   :-\
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:16 GMT (UK)
Thanks Mike, I shall probably be in touch with them later so will let them know - if they don't already.  :)

I've just had the same conversation with my French neighbour. She advises actually writing on the form something like "Driving home to the UK via the Channel Tunnel". That's what we're going to do tomorrow.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:19 GMT (UK)
Not sure about that. Last night it was said that it will be reviewed in three weeks and if people haven't been following the request to social distance, and to stay away from bars, restaurants etc then they will bring in laws to enforce it.

Sorry, I meant the legislation is going to be passed later this week. As you say, I don't think the actual powers will be implemented for some weeks, if at all.

A friend who is a mobile hairdresser works two days in a care home, so she's been told not go in. Family are not allowed either unless someone is on their death bed. She was telling me there is on lady there who has been married 60 years and her husband visits her everyday, but he's not allowed  in. Very sad.

Absolutely. It is tragic. A friend's mum is in a care home in France - they've already had a 'no visitors' policy for nearly two weeks, and it won't be lifted until the middle of April at the very earliest (and even that is now looking very optimistic).
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:23 GMT (UK)

Gen...My SIL and BIL have travelled from Spain through France in their motorhome, they went out by ferry in January but travelled home yesterday via the channel tunnel and have stayed over in Canterbury and will be home tomorrow.
They have brought us back several boxes of wine  ;D
Carol

Thanks Carol, that sounds reassuring, though I know they haven't been able to stock up on wine because the places around them were all closed and they are avoiding bigger food shops as much as possible.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: genjen on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:27 GMT (UK)

I've just had the same conversation with my French neighbour. She advises actually writing on the form something like "Driving home to the UK via the Channel Tunnel". That's what we're going to do tomorrow.

Have a safe and uneventful journey.

It all feels very surreal up here in Cumbria, where we have very few confirmed cases, as yet. I went for a walk this morning and it was noticeable how few people are out and about and also how much of a wide berth we are all giving each other if we have to pass on the pavement!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: bradburyd on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:32 GMT (UK)
I have "self identified" as being 69.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ankerdine on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:33 GMT (UK)
BUT you only had to forfeit 2 bottles, I think.  At least that is the rule in our local Aldi at the moment, no more than 4.   :-\

Yes, of course, and the checkout chap said come back tomorrow and buy the 2 which were forfeited or another 4!

Judy
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:34 GMT (UK)
Only 4 bottles? I always buy in 6s or 12s!! Do you think I'll get run in? Or could I ask them to look at my purchasing history, to exonerate me?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: purlin on Tuesday 17 March 20 16:44 GMT (UK)
Ive heard that some Iceland stores will be opening for the over 70's from 9am to 11am this Wednesday ID may be required.  May be worth checking out.  Pity they can't delay it until after 9.30 when the bus pass kicks in.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:00 GMT (UK)
Just announced - TNA is closed from 7.00 this evening  :'(
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:03 GMT (UK)
I wondered how long it would be non-urgent surgery cancelled  ::) :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51933410

Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:11 GMT (UK)
Just announced - TNA is closed from 7.00 this evening  :'(

Just had an email to say the London Metropolitan Archives are closed until further notice.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:18 GMT (UK)
Scotlands People has also closed in Edinburgh and I would think that the same will apply to the Mitchell Library in Glasgow.

The Church of Scotland have just announced that all services of Worship have been suspended as well as The General Assembly due to take place in May. However church buildings may remain open as a place for sanctuary or prayer.

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:23 GMT (UK)
  I don't think I need worry too much about being stopped by a policeman out here in the country!
  My daughter has gone down with something which she feels is probably the virus, though she has had no fever and is feeling better today. Says her chest is still painful. Hence I am in self-imposed isolation, as she lives nearby and I have been in her house recently, although not for long.
   The Church of England is also suspending services. At last week's service, the lady vicar, who is a bit on the alternative side, suggested we do the Indian "namaste" greeting during the peace - shaking hands was already banned. Not sure how well that went down, but I dislike that part of the service anyway.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:32 GMT (UK)
I wondered how long it would be non-urgent surgery cancelled  ::) :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51933410

Carol

My son has been told to cancel clinics and non-cancer and non-urgent operations for at least 8 weeks. Their first case been diagnosed in a Neuro ward.........my son is a Neuro surgeon, living 300+ miles away. I'm worried.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:35 GMT (UK)
You are understandably worried about your son Carol especially as he is so far away from you.

Take care,

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Tuesday 17 March 20 17:44 GMT (UK)

Some good news for people who need jobs because their industry is laying people off, and good news for people who need home deliveries.

Coronavirus: Morrisons delivery demand 'to create 3,500 new jobs'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-51930987

I imagine the other supermarkets will be following.

I've also seen stories suggesting pubs and restaurants might offer delivery services.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 17 March 20 18:28 GMT (UK)
Pubs and cafes in my area of Dorset are advertising take away services on local Facebook pages, one way to add variety to 'store cupboard meals'.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 17 March 20 18:53 GMT (UK)
Colleague of my daughter’s in London is working from home in a flatting situation where the flat mates are also working from home. They can hear each other’s conversations. So are playing this bingo which I don’t think is their invention, but you can see how it might help with tensions.

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 18:57 GMT (UK)
You are understandably worried about your son Carol especially as he is so far away from you.

Take care,

Dorrie

Thanks Dorrie, Yes it is a worry that he may not get home, he has a scheduled flight home in just over two weeks time but if the USA close internal flights, he may not get his connecting flight from Chicago to Heathrow. The RAF is insisting that he continues the training of the recruits for as long as possible, they are young lads whose parents will obviously be worried too and want their sons home asap.
Worrying times for us all.
Stay Safe.
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mowsehowse on Tuesday 17 March 20 19:52 GMT (UK)
Shower gel... body wash.....
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 17 March 20 20:34 GMT (UK)
Nick, "following a French model" sounds like an excellent idea.

Be careful, her boyfriend might be a young policeman.

Mart - Viktoria won't be too pleased with you if you do that. Although only yesterday she was hoping to nab a young policeman to escort her home --- so yes - get your own back!

The UK police don't (yet) have the powers to fine people on the spot, so being escorted home might still be an option. But Viktoria needs to get a move on as I think the emergency legislation coming later this week will give the Police peacetime powers none of us have ever seen the like of in the UK.
Hang on, you forget I am a pre war model!
Would the measures be even more draconian?
Things are really getting serious, I am running out of essentials like hand cream, !

Appointment with Consultant  at Eye Clinic on Thursday.
Phoned today to ask if I should  cancel ,but told to attend  in case all is not as good as it should be.
Feel so concerned for those of our RootsChatters who have miles to travel for very serious conditions to be treated.
Got a PM from one and  was appalled at the length and complexity of their journey for treatment.


I live very near a cemetery as I mentioned, never anyone in early morning so I wonder if it will be alright to take a stroll ,just to keep up with walking about .
When I had the dog we would go there for her short morning walk,almost never met anyone .
I am stir crazy, running up the walls, been in more or less since 10 th January.-
Was looking forward to running amok and shouting in at the undertakers ‘ -“Have you got any empty boxes?”.( favourite past time of naughty boys in Manchester.)
Will have to behave myself  for a while longer.Boring!
Hope every one is well and stays well.

Following a French model ——hmmm !
Better to have a French widow in every bedroom ( Gerard Hoffnung’s  letter from a French hotelier,whose English was not too good)
Well we do not lack for laughs on RootsChat, keep it up !
Cheerio, Viktoria.

By the way!I am mortally insulted that no one twigged  my post re Robin Hood and the Little John!
You know , the car rental - WILL’S  CAR LET- Will Scarlet!!!
Oh I give up ,( many wish I would!)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 March 20 20:55 GMT (UK)
Never give up Viktora - it wouldn't be the same without you.

And remember -- you will have to keep your distance from the policeman -- and Mart will have to keep his distance from any French model he hopes to follow.

Hope all goes well with your eye appointment.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Tuesday 17 March 20 21:01 GMT (UK)
I get the joke now Viktoria - getting a bit slow these days. ;D

It should be fine for you to have a wee stroll through the graveyard as long as you keep your distance from people ha ha ha

You have a great fighting spirit and will never give up so carry on posting  ???

At least the hospital will be an outing for you.

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: IgorStrav on Tuesday 17 March 20 21:23 GMT (UK)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYu_bGbZiiQ

Conference calls?  this is EXACTLY what they're like and I speak from experience.....

participated in one just today  ::)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: nanny jan on Tuesday 17 March 20 21:28 GMT (UK)
 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 17 March 20 21:53 GMT (UK)
And that was for real?
Nothing was actually said!
Use of set phrases that were meaningless.
Well I hope any conference re Corona Virus is more productive than  that.
It verged into the realms of TheTwo  Ronnies.
Thanks.
Viktoria.
Joke, a woman was boasting about her husband’s promotion.
Her friend congratulated her ,and said “ Well my Bill has hundreds of men
under him now.”
“ Oh, “said the first speaker , “ How come, where does he work now then , what does he do ?”
“ He cuts the grass at the cemetery”.
Well I didn’t say it was a good joke!
Viktoria.
 
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ms_canuck on Tuesday 17 March 20 21:59 GMT (UK)
My daughter is a teacher and has two children - my lovely twin grandchildren - Michael and Kaley aged 7.

She put up a daily schedule as kids are off for three weeks (regular March break, plus 2 weeks added on for the virus).

Within hours, the kids had put up their own schedule (including 'fine print' that says "this is the real schedule not the other one"). 

Good for a laugh! 

Cheers all

Ms_C
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 17 March 20 22:08 GMT (UK)
Ha ha ha ha ha!
Twenty fours hours of folishness is what we all need.
Thanks.Viktoria.
P.S.my little GGrandson is moving soon into a Grumbelow,you know a house with no,upstairs!
Aren’t they lovely.
Viktoria.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: sonofthom on Tuesday 17 March 20 22:41 GMT (UK)
Interesting stories appearing that a treatment for the virus has emerged in the form of a cheap drug that has been safely in use since 1945 to treat malaria, and it is made in the UK. I am not a pharmacist so I cannot evaluate the trustworthiness of these reports. However if nothing else it is a good excuse for a few gin and tonics. The following link gives a good summary:- https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/17/an-effective-treatment-for-coronavirus-covid-19-has-been-found-in-a-common-anti-malarial-drug/
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 22:51 GMT (UK)
That makes interesting reading, don't tell too many people until we have had the chance to stockpile tonic  ;D I can't stand the taste personally but they say, what's nasty often makes you better. So I may just acquire a taste for it  ;D
Thanks for sharing.
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 March 20 23:13 GMT (UK)
"a cheap drug that has been safely in use since 1945 to treat malaria"

Chloroquine.  I'll have a look around, I think I might have some old leftover tablets.  I wonder what its shelf life is?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 17 March 20 23:19 GMT (UK)
"a cheap drug that has been safely in use since 1945 to treat malaria"

Chloroquine.  I'll have a look around, I think I might have some old leftover tablets.  I wonder what its shelf life is?

I wonder if they dissolve well in gin  ::) ;D

Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 March 20 23:21 GMT (UK)
Dunno, I'm not much of a drinker.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 17 March 20 23:34 GMT (UK)
Reported earlier, Australian scientists claim a drug used  for HIV  and one for Malaria but not Quinine ,together can  beat Corona Virus.
Trials underway .
Viktoria,
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 18 March 20 01:29 GMT (UK)
ScoMo has put everyone in the naughty corner at today's press conference, so we'll see if it has any effect.  It fascinates me that these people are quite happy to be shoulder to shoulder in the supermarket breathing all over each other.

"On bulk purchasing of supplies: Stop hoarding. I can't be more blunt about it. Stop it," Mr Morrison said.

"It is not sensible, it is not helpful and it has been one of the most disappointing things I have seen in Australian behaviour in response to this crisis.

"That is not who we are as a people. It is not necessary. It is not something that people should be doing."

"I am seeking Australia's common sense cooperation with these very clear advisory positions. Stop doing it. It's ridiculous. It's un-Australian, and it must stop," he said.

"I would ask people to do the right thing by each other in getting a handle on these sorts of practices."

The PM also urged people to be patient and not take their annoyance out on supermarket workers.

"Do not abuse staff. We're all in this together," he said.

Debra  :)

Adding because I can.....

Stop it!  It's ridiculous!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 18 March 20 02:25 GMT (UK)
Went into one of the local supermarkets to do some shopping this morning. The other one had only part of the shopfront open, and staff on duty to tell the "young" ones to come back after 08:00.

The one we went to had no potatoes or onions :o :o. We were able to get some prepared pasta meals, to be put in the freezer for later. We also bought 4 500gram packets of mince. OH had to take two to another checkout, as only two allowed at a time.

The place was much more busy that normal at that time, and all "oldies". Most were behaving reasonable well, but there were no loo rolls.  Will check out tomorrow ::)

Cooked up the mince, which makes 5 meals.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 18 March 20 02:34 GMT (UK)
Just heard on the radio that some of the "panic" buyers are driving out to the country towns around Melbourne and Sydney, and pillaging the local supermarkets. They are going out in mini busses with a trailer.

Much suspicion regarding the end place for the purchases. Some think over to China, for inflated prices, or even worse, local markets, again for inflated prices :-X :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Wednesday 18 March 20 02:52 GMT (UK)
"4 500 gram packets of mince ...  which makes 5 meals"

Wow, you're big meat eaters.  I get 3 or 4 meals for two people out of half a kilo.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 18 March 20 03:06 GMT (UK)
Just heard on the radio that some of the "panic" buyers are driving out to the country towns around Melbourne and Sydney, and pillaging the local supermarkets. They are going out in mini busses with a trailer.

Much suspicion regarding the end place for the purchases. Some think over to China, for inflated prices, or even worse, local markets, again for inflated prices :-X :-X :-X :-X

Photos or it didn't happen.  Sounds like a Facebook rumour to me.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 18 March 20 03:33 GMT (UK)
The man who rang the radio station got a photo of a bus at Young, some 300kms from Sydney, but for some reason, the passengers tried to hide their faces :P

He implied that they were the same types who are buying up the baby formula ???
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 18 March 20 05:16 GMT (UK)
This rumour has been making the rounds of social media for weeks now and in an age where people take photos and video of everything, including their breakfast, I will remain sceptical until I see proof.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 March 20 08:17 GMT (UK)
At last supermarkets are acting! Email from Sainsbury said they are reserving an hour a week for elderly shoppers and disabled  customers  ( not really long enough). Also they have said

“ We will also help elderly and vulnerable customers access food online. From Monday 23rd March, our online customers who are over 70 years of age or have a disability will have priority access to online delivery slots. We will contact these customers in the coming days with more details”
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 08:26 GMT (UK)
. We also bought 4 500gram packets of mince. OH had to take two to another checkout, as only two allowed at a time.


 :(
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 09:55 GMT (UK)
I said on the previous thread yesterday about my request to work from home.  My boss has said this morning that they don't think it is necessary as I am not high risk although my husband is.  In fairness, they have put things in place to reduce the risk but I thought the instruction from the government was that if you can work from home, you should.  The idea is to stop people moving around and infecting each other.

My boss has said that if I really want to work at home, they can't really stop me - they just don't see it as necessary.  So, I'm working at home for the duration.

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: sonofthom on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:00 GMT (UK)
Oops a filling came out this morning. Phoned the dentist. Was asked my date of birth and as I have just turned 70 was told that new Government rules mean that they can't treat me! Suggested that I go to the pharmacist and buy some do it yourself filling material. Is it just me or does anyone else feel that this is getting out of hand? ju

I' m away to find my Black & Decker drill!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:01 GMT (UK)
What does your employer not understand?

We are all trying to reduce contact with other people - eg travelling to work, being contact with people/working with people (even if sitting a metre apart, really hard to avoid contact or contact with surfaces which people may have inadvertently contaminated whilst symptom-free).

Do they really want to have their workplace potentially contaminated, and infecting their workers - if it's possible to work from home without detriment?

Goodness me
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:09 GMT (UK)
There is a new pandemic affecting the population ....HYSTERIA   :o
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:11 GMT (UK)
I've managed to get a plumber to fix our shower - should I wear protective clothing  :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:12 GMT (UK)
Oops a filling came out this morning. Phoned the dentist. Was asked my date of birth and as I have just turned 70 was told that new Government rules mean that they can't treat me! Suggested that I go to the pharmacist and buy some do it yourself filling material. Is it just me or does anyone else feel that this is getting out of hand? ju

I' m away to find my Black & Decker drill!

On the General dental council British Dental Assn website it says.  https://www.bda.org/advice/Coronavirus/Pages/faqs.aspx#patients

(I actually can’t see anything at all helpful on the GDC site! )

15. If a patient is in a high-risk category (for example, over 70 with pre-existing health conditions), should I cancel non-emergency treatment?
The government has not yet issued any specific guidance on treating at-risk groups. You may want to decide a policy in your own practice. If you do so, please communicate this clearly to staff and patients.
Regardless of age, if the patient has a “new, continuous” cough OR a temperature of 37.8 degrees or higher, you should cancel any scheduled treatment and advise them to look at NHS 111 online, or if they cannot do that, call NHS 111.
 
16. A patient in self-isolation may need urgent dental treatment, what should I do?
If you believe treatment is required, the patient should be told to call 111.  This NHS team will triage and assess options for referral to a designated receiving unit for any COVID-19 urgent dental care cases.
 
17. A patient with confirmed COVID-19 needs emergency dental care, what should I do?
The dental practice should call their Health Protection Team who will advise the nearest hospital or speciality unit that the patient may be seen at.



Interpret that as you will

Added, here an issue is the fact masks are in very short supply so I expect any non urgent work will be deferred, and a lost filling if cleansable and not sensitive is annoying more than anything.  (You can file sharp edges with an emery board  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:16 GMT (UK)
Can't believe your employer can be that insensitive! Madness, glad to hear you've decided to work from home yours and your husbands health are most important! As treetotal says Hysteria gone mad.

My daughter has made a good suggestion for us - to order shopping online for delivery in a couple of weeks time when things may be more difficult than they are now, she has done this just in case.

I managed to get onto Waitrose website last night to check but haven't made a list yet... tried this morning ... not a hope! So I'll make my list and around midnight when it's gone quiet I'll place my order for mainly fresh stuff.

As for your dentist not treating you that's unbelievable 😱 Hope the black and decker does the job!

Carpet fitters have just turned up to lay a new carpet... shall be disinfecting everything once they've gone!

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: josey on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:20 GMT (UK)
Suggested that I go to the pharmacist and buy some do it yourself filling material. I
Bob Mortimer on Would I lie to You once said he did most of his own dentistry! I cancelled a appointment or Thursday as I have a cold [YES only a cold!!] & was given  new appointment for April 3 - and I am well over 70 so are different dentist following different regulations  ???
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:24 GMT (UK)
Can't believe your employer can be that insensitive! Madness, glad to hear you've decided to work from home yours and your husbands health are most important! As treetotal says Hysteria gone mad.

My daughter has made a good suggestion for us - to order shopping online for delivery in a couple of weeks time when things may be more difficult than they are now, she has done this just in case.

I managed to get onto Waitrose website last night to check but haven't made a list yet... tried this morning ... not a hope! So I'll make my list and around midnight when it's gone quiet I'll place my order for mainly fresh stuff.

Caroline
I have decided to try on-line shopping which I have never done before.   I also thought that I would do that today although I did a weekly shop (well, almost) yesterday.  Hopefully I can get some for a couple of weeks time.  However, I have just seen that Sainsbury will be giving over 70's and disabled priority slots.  That may help a lot.

I told my employer that my husband's health is priority above everything else and I will not risk it for work.  They have a choice - I work at home or I don't work and self-isolate unpaid if necessary.  They wouldn't want that to happen. 

The way I understand all this is that if we don't all do whatever we can to comply with the regulations, the NHS will suffer big-time.  If you do get ill (not necessarily with the virus) you may not get the care you would expect because the NHS will be too overwhelmed.  You could die just through lack of care which unthinkable in this country.

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:31 GMT (UK)
...Was asked my date of birth and as I have just turned 70 was told that new Government rules mean that they can't treat me!

Are you sure that is what they said?

Call them back, point out the guidelines issued by the BDA (see Mckha489's post), ask them to clarify their refusal to give you an appointment.

No guarantee you will get an appointment anytime soon - some dental staff are in the vulnerable category so will already be off work, and others may be self-isolating with symptoms.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:45 GMT (UK)

OH had to take two to another checkout, as only two allowed at a time.

But surely by doing that you’ve deprived someone else of their allowance >:(
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:54 GMT (UK)
I had a lot of  costly basic dental work done last year and a “plan” with costing worked out for the future of my very weak teeth, Hyperemesis, that is posh (like wot Royals  get)for extreme morning sickness with all three babies ,which seriously weakened them.- my teeth not Royals!
 
£6,000! No NHS places at any of the five Dentists in our town.
Old Dentist retired and whilst he had changed from NHS his loyalty rates were very good.
Will I live long enough to get my money’s worth out of it?
I don’t want full dentures, have  a small plate with two teeth on but the real ones are crumbling at a rate of knots.
So problem shelved for the time being .
Lots if brushing with a repair claiming toothpaste,forget the electric brush- too vigorous.
Oh I need a dog!
Viktoria.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:55 GMT (UK)
When I called in at our local coop early yesterday morning I bought 8 bottles no problem! That's my usual purchase as you get 15%off for 4 bottles.... 4 red and 4 white! 😁😁.
Lady behind me in Lidls had 6 bottles and had to put 2 back so seems to vary in different places.

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:58 GMT (UK)
Is it 4 bottles of the same or do they regard all types of wine as just wine?

We've got a big order from The Wine Society coming  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 10:59 GMT (UK)
At the moment I feel like the world has gone completely mad! Panic and anxiety is being inflicted upon us all.

My local newspaper arrived this morning - front page - big headline 'We'll have to show stiff upper lip' - AND 'Pandemic in E Lancs Pages 2 - 7'!!

I am actually feeling guilty if I step out of my front door. I realise many won't agree with me, but I just think all the constant bombardment is over the top. OK -- we have the message - keep our distance from others and be sensible - but issuing all these changing guidelines is very confusing.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:09 GMT (UK)
At the moment I feel like the world has gone completely mad! Panic and anxiety is being inflicted upon us all.

My local newspaper arrived this morning - front page - big headline 'We'll have to show stiff upper lip' - AND 'Pandemic in E Lancs Pages 2 - 7'!!

I am actually feeling guilty if I step out of my front door. I realise many won't agree with me, but I just think all the constant bombardment is over the top. OK -- we have the message - keep our distance from others and be sensible - but issuing all these changing guidelines is very confusing.

Agree totally with you,  let’s keep a sense of proportion, 98% of people might get a bit of a cold, the other 2% me included, might suffer more but we would if we got a “normal cold” or the flu.
I would prefer not to spend my last months in solitary confinement.

Why should we risk total disruption  of society to delay the inevitable.

Mike,   Ever the devils advocate  :) :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:26 GMT (UK)

Why should we risk total disruption  of society to delay the inevitable.

Mike,   Ever the devils advocate  :) :)

Because the NHS won't cope if too many people get the virus at the same time.  Do we want our NHS to crumble under the pressure?

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: guest189040 on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:28 GMT (UK)
STOP PRESS

SUPERMARKETS FIRST HOUR TO BE RESERVED FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.

So than means millions of us oldies will have to get up at 4 AM to have time to kickstart ourselves, have breakfast, take a shedload of medicines, do the long period in the bathroom, spend 1/2 hour trying to find the car keys then driving to the Supermarket to be there for 7 O’Clock only then to be mown down by the fellow oldies hell bent on getting first to the aisle with the loo rolls.

Oh joy
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: emeltom on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:31 GMT (UK)
"Do we want our NHS to crumble under the pressure"

I thought it had been doing that for some years now.

Emeltom
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:37 GMT (UK)
Rishile ---- Of course we don't want to see the NHS crumble and my heart goes out to everyone employed and working there in the current situation.

Neither do I want all the businesses large and small - to go to the wall, as they currently are doing.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:39 GMT (UK)
Agree totally with you,  let’s keep a sense of proportion, 98% of people might get a bit of a cold, the other 2% me included, might suffer more but we would if we got a “normal cold” or the flu.
I would prefer not to spend my last months in solitary confinement.

Why should we risk total disruption  of society to delay the inevitable.

I'd suggest that anyone who really believes that (many do) rather than playing devil's advocate would be advised to read the final paragraph of Rishile's post #170 (which echoes what many experts are saying) and contemplate the implications of that.

Then have a read of this thread - https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=826176
- which confirms that in "normal" times (not so long ago) it was deemed utterly unacceptable by society that we aren't able to continue increasing everyone's life expectancy forever.

On an individual level many people may well feel they have had a good life and don't want to go on forever. But our society has developed an obsession with preserving life at all cost. Current events are going to be a massive shock to that belief system.

So 'society' is going to be totally disrupted whatever we do.

What matters is getting the balance of impacts on different groups of people right, so the society that comes out of this will be recognisable and something the survivors (by far the majority) will be comfortable living in.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:40 GMT (UK)
Just read that some distilleries in Scotland are stopping production of gin/whisky to concentrate on high concentrate hand sanitizer.

Does that mean I can drink the spare gin and vodka  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:45 GMT (UK)
SUPERMARKETS FIRST HOUR TO BE RESERVED FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.

So than means millions of us oldies will have to get up at 4 AM to have time to kickstart ourselves, have breakfast, take a shedload of medicines, do the long period in the bathroom, spend 1/2 hour trying to find the car keys then driving to the Supermarket to be there for 7 O’Clock only then to be mown down by the fellow oldies hell bent on getting first to the aisle with the loo rolls.

Oh joy

So we can forget the idea of renting out dogs for walking to circumvent the going out ban.

Now those of a certain age can hire themselves out to get priority shopping opportunities for the toilet roll stockpilers.  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:53 GMT (UK)
Go ahead Gadget and have a good stiff drinkie or two - while stocks last  ;D ;D

I have just had a delivery of dog food so Rory will be fed for the next few months. Couldn't get his usual brand in the supermarkets so ordered it online on Monday evening direct from the manufacturer.
If we run out of food I wonder if he will share with us  :-\ :-\

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:54 GMT (UK)
Just read that some distilleries in Scotland are stopping production of gin/whisky to concentrate on high concentrate hand sanitizer.

Does that mean I can drink the spare gin and vodka  ;D ;D ;D ;D


No we need your commonsense approach to support us, so stay reasonably  sober  ;D >:( >:(.

Mike
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:56 GMT (UK)
Is it 4 bottles of the same or do they regard all types of wine as just wine?

We've got a big order from The Wine Society coming  ;D

No you could have four different bottles if you wanted and mix red and white... they have the best deals around and their wines aren't half bad either..... not sure if it applies to all coops... ours is Midland coop.

Good luck with you wine delivery!

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 18 March 20 11:58 GMT (UK)
SUPERMARKETS FIRST HOUR TO BE RESERVED FOR SENIOR CITIZENS.

So than means millions of us oldies will have to get up at 4 AM to have time to kickstart ourselves, have breakfast, take a shedload of medicines, do the long period in the bathroom, spend 1/2 hour trying to find the car keys then driving to the Supermarket to be there for 7 O’Clock only then to be mown down by the fellow oldies hell bent on getting first to the aisle with the loo rolls.

Oh joy


No worries, your local authority action plan will spring to life,     After it’s passed committee and the full council and been referred back to committee for reconsideration and... and..

Mike



Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:01 GMT (UK)
Yes we need all the positive support we can get.

Must confess I am feeling very on edge about it all.  Braved a supermarket this morning and there were many completely bare shelves. 

Am not myself in a dangerous group but have close elderly relatives to worry about as many of us do. 

I value this topic to keep me sane, informed and amused in equal measure so thanks to all contributors  :)

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:08 GMT (UK)
A very nice gesture from Chelsea FC.  :) :)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51942190
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:10 GMT (UK)
Laphroaig v Corona? no contest Gadget! where's Farage when you're needing a laugh anyhow!

Just back fae Tesco, shelves largely empty but got a couple of their wee Irish Wheaten Loaves which are just superb. Was off to the Heilans on Friday but Corona has put the kybosh on that..

Skoosh.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:15 GMT (UK)
Aye Skoosh nae contest.

If you are staying put and nae going up to the Heilans at the weekend you could make yersel a wee piece and wash it doon wi a large dram  ;D ;D

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:18 GMT (UK)
Useful practical help from Chelsea FC.

On a smaller scale our local farm shop has popped a note thro everybody’s letterbox offering free delivery of basics within a five mile radius.

So, home cured bacon and free range eggs for breakfast a really nice cheddar and proper bread for lunch, rump steak and chips with mushrooms for dinner.

I think we might survive, tho it will be tough ;D ;D

Mike
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:34 GMT (UK)
No worries, your local authority action plan will spring to life,     After it’s passed committee and the full council and been referred back to committee for reconsideration and... and..

Mike

Mike, I'm sure you meant it as a joke, but stuff like this really doesn't help. What you are doing is spreading fear and concern without any foundation.

Local Authorities already have plans in place - they have to do so by law. The plans are developed by experienced teams of staff, not by councillors or committees.

In an emergency situation the authority staff have wide-ranging powers to act without the need for any kind of committee approval. The generic plans are adapted to suit the nature of the emergency.

When doing this the local authorities work very closely together with central agencies, the NHS, emergency services and local businesses.

They are professional people (aka 'experts'), not the bumbling idiots that some people like to characterise them all as.

I'm sure at a time like this you wouldn't make humorous comments about the inefficiencies of the NHS or the competence of doctors and nurses. So please - a friendly request - have a bit of consideration for other people who right now will be working very hard to help prevent Covid-19 turning into an absolute disaster.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mazi on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:42 GMT (UK)
I have not noticed any gloom or despondency,  but a reasonable question would seem to be when are these plans going to arrive.


Mike
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Guyana on Wednesday 18 March 20 12:57 GMT (UK)

OH had to take two to another checkout, as only two allowed at a time.

But surely by doing that you’ve deprived someone else of their allowance >:(
Some people just don't get it.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:02 GMT (UK)

I'm sure at a time like this you wouldn't make humorous comments about the inefficiencies of the NHS or the competence of doctors and nurses. So please - a friendly request - have a bit of consideration for other people who right now will be working very hard to help prevent Covid-19 turning into an absolute disaster.

Probably not, as everyone can see how hard the NHS is working. I've had nothing at all from my local authority either by post or by email, so no idea what they are doing to keep things going. Perhaps if they kept people updated we wouldn't have to ask.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: lancs-lassie on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:07 GMT (UK)
Can I lighten the topic just for a minute? If you are easily offended then please read the next post instead of mine.
Someone on an internet group of which I am a member shared a comical scenario she had encountered that morning. A delivery driver had called at her door with a parcel & had said, with a straight face, “I'm sorry, you’re not allowed to, touch my thingy anymore”.
Many people had a good laugh about it & the responses were very funny, it does us good sometimes in dark times to see some humour.
Keep safe everyone x
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:12 GMT (UK)
...but a reasonable question would seem to be when are these plans going to arrive.

Fair enough.

The core plans will already be in place. Specific plans for situations like the one we are in will be constantly developed as the situation develops, but will draw on outline plans and experience developed from previous situations such as the Swine Flu outbreak.

Announcements will be made when co-ordinating organisations (e.g. national government(s)) decide it is the right time to make those announcements.

No doubt you can appreciate the chaos and confusion that would happen if each council made different announcements at different times.

And also the problem of information overload if everything is explained all at once.

There is more information about how the emergency planning system works here -
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/preparation-and-planning-for-emergencies-responsibilities-of-responder-agencies-and-others
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Familysearch on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:28 GMT (UK)
The world is desperately trying to cope with a situation the majority have never seen before.

Afraid I get rather irritated by people demanding their rights - and as for the ridiculous panic buying. Well! I was in my local Tesco yesterday, to see if the things I had tried to buy last week were back on the shelf. I think there was even less than before.  One of the assistants told me, that there was plenty coming in - if only people would stop being greedy. Seems people have started buying bread flour - I always make my own bread, but not for much longer, I am nearly out of flour.

As for the false news about treatments - well, all I can say is there are some very unkind people around.

Sorry - Rant over!!

FS
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:30 GMT (UK)
For goodness sake Nick lighten up, nobody on here would deliberately cause offence to any group of people, and everyone has a right to have their say.
I for one, value people's advice and opinions on here, we are very lucky that we have this very friendly forum where everyone supports and listens to each other. There are many elderly, lonely, disabled and poorly people on here and for them, this is their haven, So let's keep it that way please.
Thank heaven for Rootschat.
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Nick_Ips on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:32 GMT (UK)
Probably not, as everyone can see how hard the NHS is working.

Except most of us cannot see how hard the NHS is working. We know that doctors and nurses are working flat out, but very few people are first-hand witnesses to it.

Most of us also have no idea about all the behind the scenes stuff that happens that enables the NHS to function. The people working in offices and workshops are just as vital as those in the wards.

The same goes for other organisations like local authorities. There is always a lot happening behind the scenes that most people have no idea about.

I've had nothing at all from my local authority either by post or by email, so no idea what they are doing to keep things going. Perhaps if they kept people updated we wouldn't have to ask.

That's mainly because this is a national emergency so the national government(s) are taking the lead and it is them making the announcements.

At this stage the local authorities will be doing the behind the scenes work as normal, and only announcing things that have a direct impact on their services - e.g. if schools, libraries, day centres etc are closing.

That may change in the coming days.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:33 GMT (UK)
I rather suspect, despite the advice given in that work of fiction, namely the "Protect and Survive" booklet, that should you have seen those bright flashes in the sky or anywhere else, then you would not have had a home and, should you have survived initially, you would have not lasted very long thereafter.

It has become quite fashionable to mock "Protect and Survive", but some of the comments are based on a misunderstanding of what it was really about. Obviously you won't survive if you are very close to a nuclear explosion, but for people further away it was important to know what to expect and to use simple mitigation techniques to try to maximise the chances of survival.


I am not mocking and I understand what it was meant to do but the fact is Protect and Survive was the biggest load of rubbish ever produced. It was meant to reassure rather than be of much practical use. If the blast didn't get you then radiation sickness etc., etc. would eventually get you. Furthermore, it wouldn't have been just one bomb and there would have been utter devastation across the country; every city, every military installation, every seaport and airport
I am not entirely ignorant of what would have happened and what the result would have been. Today's problems pale into insignificance compared to those which would exist as a result of nuclear attack.
I am fully aware of the plans because I was one of those who would have been required to do his bit, but whether or not I would have been safe is highly debatable and I rather suspect that I, together with my colleagues, was expendable. Furthermore, we were never told what would happen to our families whilst we were out there trying to preserve law and order anywhere we were required across the country.
During our "Protect and Survive" training, such as it was, the consensus of opinion was "in the event of a nuclear war stick your head between your legs and kiss your a*** goodbye". Despite your protestations, this thought is something which, even to this day, I cannot argue with.
I am also aware that the authorities will have action plans in place to deal with our current situation and, I would suggest, these will be more easily implemented than those which were in place in the event of nuclear attack.
 :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:35 GMT (UK)
It's the end of civilisation - the Eurovision Song Contest has just been cancelled -  :o :o :o
 :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:42 GMT (UK)
@ Dorrie, soaked twice today so a large hauf was called for! ;D
 At the opticians so couldn't take the car due to the eye drops. my optician was meticulous with the wipes & jelly etc, he's on the front line with the public & expects to be drafted into one of the hospitals pretty soon. I usually get two tests a year but just one this time. He has no idea when he'll be back.
 The intended trip to the hills was a stag-do but the waddin has been postponed pro-tem so no stag. Speaking of stags, a lot of dead deer due to pneumonia caused by the constant wet. Sika badly hit in particular! 

Bests Aye,
Skoosh.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:45 GMT (UK)
It's the end of civilisation - the Eurovision Song Contest has just been cancelled -  :o :o :o
 :)

One bit of good news.  ;D ;D

I see schools in Scotland and Wales are closing, how long before England does the same?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:46 GMT (UK)
We are sitting on top of Britain's Nuclear arsenal here, where is Ipswich?

Skoosh.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:50 GMT (UK)
We are sitting on top of Britain's Nuclear arsenal here, where is Ipswich?

Skoosh.

Look on the bright side. The ospreys will soon be returning  and we can have the pleasure of watching them via webcam  :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Wednesday 18 March 20 13:53 GMT (UK)
Can I lighten the topic just for a minute? it does us good sometimes in dark times to see some humour.

Nothing like a bit of "gallows" humour.
 :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:01 GMT (UK)
What we need is Capt Mainwaring  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: sonofthom on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:13 GMT (UK)
Just reading in my newspaper that energy saving experts are warning that people shouldn't watch too much television during the virus outbreak because of the impact on the planet of the increased carbon dioxide emissions. It seems that if the virus doesn't get us climate change will.

For the sake of my sanity maybe I should give up reading newspapers so that I don't end up reading this nonsense.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:26 GMT (UK)
Can I lighten the topic just for a minute? If you are easily offended then please read the next post instead of mine.
Someone on an internet group of which I am a member shared a comical scenario she had encountered that morning. A delivery driver had called at her door with a parcel & had said, with a straight face, “I'm sorry, you’re not allowed to, touch my thingy anymore”.
Many people had a good laugh about it & the responses were very funny, it does us good sometimes in dark times to see some humour.
Keep safe everyone x



Love it  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe a bit more thingy touching would work wonders in lifting the mood in these trouble times, please form an orderly queue ;)
A bit of humour is a real tonic  :D
Stay safe everyone.
Carol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Finley 1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:31 GMT (UK)
Asked the Vet to deliver our Cats meds !!! if they wouldnt mind ... yes  but!!! an extra charge of £11 odd pounds ---- thats about £1 per mile....ok.. there are those taking and those making and not enough giving  --- if you ask me.


Finlay

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:37 GMT (UK)
Just reading in my newspaper that energy saving experts are warning that people shouldn't watch too much television during the virus outbreak because of the impact on the planet of the increased carbon dioxide emissions. It seems that if the virus doesn't get us climate change will.

For the sake of my sanity maybe I should give up reading newspapers so that I don't end up reading this nonsense.

Don't forget you may need those newspapers if you have to go back to using newspaper when you can't get toilet roll. You are probably too young - but many others will remember that's what we used to use!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:43 GMT (UK)

 A delivery driver had called at her door with a parcel & had said, with a straight face, “I'm sorry, you’re not allowed to, touch my thingy anymore”.

It implies that she'd touched it on previous occasions. :o
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: lydiaann on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:52 GMT (UK)
Just done an 'inventory' on our "other stuff" (food inventory was conducted and topped up to normal levels on Monday).  In our mid-70s, and healthy - i.e., no underlying conditions.

Books - piles of them waiting "when I get a Round Tuit".  (It appears that the Round Tuit is now available.)
Packs of cards, Scrabble, draughts, dominoes and Yatzee dice.
Houseful of chores (awaiting said Round Tuit)
Good-sized garden - currently STILL too wet to work but good weather is apparently just around the corner.  Contains greenhouse with fairly good stock of seed.
One pair of legs each, in good working (or walking) order (save my knees, which gamely put up with whatever I throw at them - mainly paracetamol).

Have I missed anything?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Maiden Stone on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:54 GMT (UK)

 Lots if brushing with a repair claiming toothpaste,


Does it have the words "Repair " and "Protect" in its' name? I use it on dentist's recommendation. Dearer than brands I previously used. Normally buy a tube for reserve when it's on offer. Had to buy a full-price one recently and it had to be approved at the self-serve checkout by a member of staff because it had a security label on it to deter shoplifters since it was over a certain price.
I blame state of my teeth partly on my family overdosing on sugar and other sweet things after the end of sugar rationing which coincided with my entry to the world. The bad habit went on for many years.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Top-of-the-hill on Wednesday 18 March 20 14:58 GMT (UK)
  I have run out of library books, so I shall have to go back to all those books I could never throw away!
   We are having a couple of fine, warm days, so gardening is being attempted, but there is only me here, so board games won't work; I believe I have a book of card games for one. :D
   I don't think I shall be overdosing on TV, I had a look at daytime telly yesterday. ::)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:08 GMT (UK)
Am I reading more into this than is meant?  The image was part of an article on the BBC website. - the heading was "Coronavirus:  Boris Johnson Shoreditch mural says 'stop panic buying'" but what does it really say?

 

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:29 GMT (UK)
Well, being public-spirited I thought I would try ordering my groceries for home delivery. I am over 70 but reasonably fit and well, in the sense that I'm not on any medication. All went well until I came to the 'checkout' . . . I won't be able to eat for the next ten days as the next available delivery is 28th March  :o


Tried three well known supermarkets this morning. Two had no slots at all in the next three weeks which is as far ahead as you can book. The third had its delivery booking system down. So I'll have to go out next week and hope I don't encounter anyone infected.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:31 GMT (UK)
I went to the local Tesco today and did the same shopping that I would normally do for the rest of the week and into the weekend and got everything I wanted except radishes. There were no frozen chips,  but the reduced price cabinet was full of the really nice but very expensive triple cooked chips, at half price.

Following yesterday's success with a special offer on my favourite wine, today it was a special offer on my favourite beer. Unfortunately I was on the bus so couldn't get into a buying panic.

The best news is that after 2 weeks of internet but no telephone we had our telephone fixed. We had, at various points, between one and three engineers with us for 5 hours, replacing the cable between the front of our house and the street. I then tried phoning two friends to tell them the phone was working and neither of them was at home.

I'm not sure how I'll cope without the radishes.  I had a nice chat with a lady from Czechoslovakia about the radish shortage, and a nice discussion about homemade chapatis with a lady buying a very large bag of chapati flour

Martin
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:36 GMT (UK)
Martin -- might your friends just be trying to avoid you?

Sainsbury's are saying there will be reserved home delivery slots for over 70s -- but how do they know how old we are? We are not asked for dates of birth when we first register.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ThrelfallYorky on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:49 GMT (UK)
You're doing well if you can actually manage to register! Spent 35 minutes reading the "Terms & Conditions" and foolishly decided to register and book a future delivery of items - impossible.
TY
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: sonofthom on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you Pennines - of course I'm too young to remember your suggested alternative use of newspaper. Oh, hang on a minute, my nose seems to be growing a bit longer?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Musicman on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:52 GMT (UK)

The best news is that after 2 weeks of internet but no telephone we had our telephone fixed. We had, at various points, between one and three engineers with us for 5 hours, replacing the cable between the front of our house and the street. I then tried phoning two friends to tell them the phone was working and neither of them was at home.

Martin

How do you know they were not at home?  If your name and/or number was shown then perhaps . . just sayin'  ::)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: ankerdine on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:54 GMT (UK)
I rather suspect, despite the advice given in that work of fiction, namely the "Protect and Survive" booklet, that should you have seen those bright flashes in the sky or anywhere else, then you would not have had a home and, should you have survived initially, you would have not lasted very long thereafter.

It has become quite fashionable to mock "Protect and Survive", but some of the comments are based on a misunderstanding of what it was really about. Obviously you won't survive if you are very close to a nuclear explosion, but for people further away it was important to know what to expect and to use simple mitigation techniques to try to maximise the chances of survival.


I am not mocking and I understand what it was meant to do but the fact is Protect and Survive was the biggest load of rubbish ever produced. It was meant to reassure rather than be of much practical use. If the blast didn't get you then radiation sickness etc., etc. would eventually get you. Furthermore, it wouldn't have been just one bomb and there would have been utter devastation across the country; every city, every military installation, every seaport and airport
I am not entirely ignorant of what would have happened and what the result would have been. Today's problems pale into insignificance compared to those which would exist as a result of nuclear attack.
I am fully aware of the plans because I was one of those who would have been required to do his bit, but whether or not I would have been safe is highly debatable and I rather suspect that I, together with my colleagues, was expendable. Furthermore, we were never told what would happen to our families whilst we were out there trying to preserve law and order anywhere we were required across the country.
During our "Protect and Survive" training, such as it was, the consensus of opinion was "in the event of a nuclear war stick your head between your legs and kiss your a*** goodbye". Despite your protestations, this thought is something which, even to this day, I cannot argue with.
I am also aware that the authorities will have action plans in place to deal with our current situation and, I would suggest, these will be more easily implemented than those which were in place in the event of nuclear attack.
 :)

A Dutch friend of ours, who is over 90 years old, still has an emergency sealed tin which was given to the family during the 1950s/1960s nuclear crisis. Now she is in isolation she may open it finally. 🤔
 
Judy
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: suey on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:58 GMT (UK)
No rhyme or reason to anything in all of this.  I was able to walk in to both local chemists today picking up prescriptions. However, went to vet to collect the dogs meds and was banished to the car park where I waited for half an hour. I was allowed in to pay of course.  The only saving grace was the friendly conversation with others in the queue and the wonderful cherry tree in full blossom outside the surgery  :D

As for the tv doctors advising stay home and take paracetamol, I’d actually like to be able to find some. It’s a toss up which is rarer, those or the elusive loo rolls  :D. Oh, and btw who has all the toothpaste? Shelves empty today!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gillg on Wednesday 18 March 20 16:03 GMT (UK)
Our 2 village pubs have set up a home delivery service for locals, offerering  various meals, also the Friends of the Surgery group have registered a willingness to deal with shopping and medications.....but what will happen when the volunteers themselves become infected or have to go into isolation?  My daughter and her family are self -isolating for 14 days after her husband's mother was taken into hospital with coronavirus (so far, OK).  Luckily my son will pick up bits for me and we are well stocked in dry goods, tins and toilet rolls.  Daughter gets veg boxes and deliveries from local farm butcher, so will be hoping to have some of her leftovers.   But wait, a reporter on the tv news said yesterday that we should wash everything that we buy in soap and water!  Salad, fruit, newspapers, etc.?
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: delen on Wednesday 18 March 20 16:03 GMT (UK)
b]DENTISTS[/b]

Despite the BDA announcing routine check up are cancelled my local dentist was still seeing people,
seems they are not heeding this announcement. Really I ask you dentists are really in your face anyway so I would not feel comfortable with this.
I made sure my son cancelled his routine check for this week and they re-booked him for July - hoping it would be OK  by then !!!!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: josey on Wednesday 18 March 20 16:19 GMT (UK)
We know that doctors and nurses are working flat out, but very few people are first-hand witnesses to it.
Having spent 43 years working in NHS hospital laboratories, I know lab staff often get forgotten. They'll be coping with huge amounts of extra work too.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Familysearch on Wednesday 18 March 20 17:32 GMT (UK)
I've cancelled my dental appointment for 1 April. Got the impression that if I had not phoned them, they would have phoned me. (I am over 70)

Still not sure whether we are allowed out, or if it is just a suggestion to limit ourselves in places where the virus might be spread. Whilst I have a reasonable supply of food, come next week I shall have no fresh meat or vegetables. Tins and frozen stuff to use. Am I allowed to go to Tesco which is walking distance?

Reading the other posts on this thread - I have books, family history to update, spring cleaning, a garden. I also have a group WhatsApp and we are keeping each other up to date and generally encouraging one another. I am making sure that I make as many phone calls out, as well as receiving calls and messages in.

FS
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:10 GMT (UK)
Just done an 'inventory' on our "other stuff" (food inventory was conducted and topped up to normal levels on Monday).  In our mid-70s, and healthy - i.e., no underlying conditions.

Books - piles of them waiting "when I get a Round Tuit".  (It appears that the Round Tuit is now available.)
Packs of cards, Scrabble, draughts, dominoes and Yatzee dice.
Houseful of chores (awaiting said Round Tuit)
Good-sized garden - currently STILL too wet to work but good weather is apparently just around the corner.  Contains greenhouse with fairly good stock of seed.
One pair of legs each, in good working (or walking) order (save my knees, which gamely put up with whatever I throw at them - mainly paracetamol).

Have I missed anything?

How about some Family History?  That should keep you busy for a while.

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:11 GMT (UK)
Oh, and btw who has all the toothpaste? Shelves empty today!

Guilty as charged M'lud.  I bought two tubes last week because we were booked to go on holiday this coming Tuesday.  I don't need them now.  Well, I probably do...

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:25 GMT (UK)
Who has been buying all the blackberries - shopping on line I was limited to one pack.

In spite of all the assurances people are still going mad. I want to know how they are storing everything, my freezer is full and that's just from my normal shop.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:29 GMT (UK)
Good question - they obviously have larger freezers than we do!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Mart 'n' Al on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:33 GMT (UK)
Earlier in the week I read that sales of chest freezers are up 200%.

In one shop today all the frozen food cabinets were empty, yet the equivalent fresh versions were not selling and were all on offer at half price, before they reached the sell-by date.

Martin
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:37 GMT (UK)
I just hope my old one does not pack up or my goose is cooked - it is full ;D ;D

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Lydart on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:38 GMT (UK)
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  Earlier in the week I read that sales of chest freezers are up 200%.
   Why would anyone want to freeze their chest ??    ;)

I'm one of the so called 'vulnerable oldies' .... and after two days am climbing up the walls !   Wouldn't be so bad if the torrrential rain stopped; I could get my veg planted, do some pruning, enjoy the sun ...

Had a doc's telephone appt today re my hip which will need fixing soon .... no chance !   I want to get it done within the next (say) six months .... I want to walk the Camino next spring !! 

Ah well .... patience is a virtue .... find it if you can .... seldom in a woman .... never in a man !!
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: IgorStrav on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:48 GMT (UK)
well, hope you are all ok

I'm working from home - usually do - and can avoid unnecessary business trips.
Not one of the 'recommended to stay at home' folks, but am restricting movements so as not to put other people at risk as much as myself.

Thought I'd just look to see if I could order groceries for some time in the future as backup - Sainsbury's nothing either delivery or click+collect for 3 weeks (not possible to book beyond that), Ocado and Waitrose sites both down at the moment because of customer demand.

So I'll be off to my local (large) Sainsbury's with my anti-bio wipes, and keeping at least a metre away from everyone.

None of this helped - especially in hand washing terms - by having my arm in plaster.   :o

Still, onwards and upwards  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: John915 on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:51 GMT (UK)
Good evening,

OH and me are self isolating as of today but only to a certain degree. Daughter is a single mum of 4, the demolition gang. I would rather she was safe and healthy than me so she can raise them safely.

I take no 2 to parkour every Monday then babysit while she goes to weight watchers

I take no 1 and no3 to karate on Tuesdays and Thursdays and no1 on Saturdays at the moment. No 1 has his black belt grading this weekend so have to get him there. If the leisure centre has to close before then they intend doing it outside in the park.

No 4 has just started karate but daughter takes him at the moment.

Only 3 parents stayed to watch parkour this week and only 5 at karate last night so we all sat well apart and spoke louder to each other.

I shall continue that for the time being, I would rather it was me got the virus than daughter. If we start getting cases in our area then it will be time to be more cautious.

John915
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 18 March 20 18:52 GMT (UK)
On TV just now, 6-45, a couple who are of the age to self isolate.
Interviewed ,the lady was in tears, had no idea how to shop on line, could not get to the bank for cash, ,was so upset that up to now she had efficiently managed their lives, finances ,health matters  etc but suddenly she was helpless.
So much had been taken from her.
That is what worries me,there will be so many and the old fashioned pride
in being independent and in control has been taken from them
Unless they are in that situation people will find it hard to appreciate if at all just how upsetting and bewildering that is.
Viktoria.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: dowdstree on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:01 GMT (UK)
I know of a number of self isolators who have never shopped online because they do not have the internet. These are the ones who really worry me especially if they do not have family nearby to help.

There are a number of organisations and people in local communities who are volunteering to shop for folks but how do you pay them if you cannot get to the bank or ATM for cash?

Dorrie
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: suey on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:04 GMT (UK)
Oh, and btw who has all the toothpaste? Shelves empty today!

Guilty as charged M'lud.  I bought two tubes last week because we were booked to go on holiday this coming Tuesday.  I don't need them now.  Well, I probably do...

Rishile

Oh how very dare you !  :o  When my choppers have dropped out I’ll be after borrowing yours. In the meantime I have some salt, can anyone send me some soot  ;D ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:10 GMT (UK)
"Why would anyone want to freeze their chest ??"

Have you never seen the effect on a chest that the cold has ??

Malky
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: suey on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:12 GMT (UK)
"Why would anyone want to freeze their chest ??"

Have you never seen the effect on a chest that the cold has ??

Malky

Are you speaking from experience here Malky ?  :o.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:18 GMT (UK)
Oh, and btw who has all the toothpaste? Shelves empty today!

Guilty as charged M'lud.  I bought two tubes last week because we were booked to go on holiday this coming Tuesday.  I don't need them now.  Well, I probably do...

Rishile

Oh how very dare you !  :o  When my choppers have dropped out I’ll be after borrowing yours. In the meantime I have some salt, can anyone send me some soot  ;D ;D

I'm really sorry.  You can have some if you want it.  It's very cheap.  Just £20.00 per tube. 

If I had known the Canary Islands was going into total lock-down I wouldn't have bought it as I almost had enough to see me through a couple of weeks.

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: River Tyne Lass on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:41 GMT (UK)

I agree with the comments that it would be more helpful to view things in proportion.  After all, the World Health Organisation say that 80% of patients will only experience a mild illness.

I do think that there has been too much unhelpful scaremongering going on recently.  No wonder some people have been getting in a panic, developing a catastrophic outlook and stock piling.  Only this morning I met a  lady at the bus stop who said to me "Isn't it terrible, perhaps we should all just shoot ourselves".  Apparently, she had been feeding on sensational and alarming news stories. :-\

What a contrast now to the approach taken during the war years when it seems people were bolstered by positive slogans and encouraged to keep cheerful and see the bright side of things instead of focussing on doom and gloom. 

I think a lot of us would be much better off if we just follow the health advice, keep calm and positive, and stop following all the sensational reporting which has been instilling out of proportion worry and state of alarm in some, such as the lady I talked with at the bus stop today.  It will be much more helpful to focus on the positive info/news around us, such as ..

..The 'social distancing' is a proactive step which is said will help limit the spread.

https://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/stories/shutting-down-coronavirus-right-reaction

..There is currently a shopping boom and one supermarket, Morrisons, is said to be creating 3,500 new jobs to meet the demand.

.. Now that a number of supermarkets have introduced limits the shelves are back to being well stocked again (well, at least where I live).

.. Those who do end up in hospital will receive far superior medical help to what was available to those at the time of the Great War time pandemic.

.. Also, I know someone who has told me that as he now has to do his office work at home this will actually make his life a lot easier. .. no getting up at the crack of dawn to drive to work and getting stuck in traffic on return as well as the saving in petrol money and parking fees.







Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Rishile on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:51 GMT (UK)
Oh I do agree River Tyne Lass.

Also, there are so many other positives.  The fact that large cities in China are losing their pollution.  There are fish in the canals in Venice again.  Mother Nature is healing the planet and I think know it will be a better place once this is all over.

There are a lot of people putting themselves out for others less fortunate.  Helping people with shopping, calling for a chat or just offering to put the bins out.  Why does it take a pandemic for people to do this?  I prefer to think of the good things that people are doing rather than the bad (selling tubes of toothpaste for £20.00 etc  :)).

But then my glass is always half full.

Rishile
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Llwyd on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:55 GMT (UK)
Who has been buying all the blackberries


Not me - I picked ours in the summer. Smug or what!.
 :)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: emeltom on Wednesday 18 March 20 19:57 GMT (UK)
Could it not be that all these nasty viruses and natural disasters like hurricanes, landslides, volcanoes etc are all Mother Nature's way of controlling the rapidly expanding population.

Emeltom
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: suey on Wednesday 18 March 20 20:28 GMT (UK)
Oh, and btw who has all the toothpaste? Shelves empty today!

Guilty as charged M'lud.  I bought two tubes last week because we were booked to go on holiday this coming Tuesday.  I don't need them now.  Well, I probably do...

Rishile

Oh how very dare you !  :o  When my choppers have dropped out I’ll be after borrowing yours. In the meantime I have some salt, can anyone send me some soot  ;D ;D

I'm really sorry.  You can have some if you want it.  It's very cheap.  Just £20.00 per tube. 

If I had known the Canary Islands was going into total lock-down I wouldn't have bought it as I almost had enough to see me through a couple of weeks.

Rishile

£20.00 a tube for soot  :o  Now you’re just black marketeering, shame on you Rishlie  ;D ;D ;D. Think I’ll make do with the salt....

Does anyone know why it was soot and salt by the way.?  Can you imagine trying to rinse soot out of your teeth.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Finley 1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 20:36 GMT (UK)
Could it not be that all these nasty viruses and natural disasters like hurricanes, landslides, volcanoes etc are all Mother Nature's way of controlling the rapidly expanding population.

Emeltom


First thing my daughter said... a week or so ago..


Finley
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 March 20 20:37 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know why it was soot and salt by the way.?  Can you imagine trying to rinse soot out of your teeth.

Goodness knows, but you can buy fancy charcoal toothpaste now which I suppose is based on it. It is supposed to make your teeth really white. Which it does...
The first time you use it, but only until you have abraded away all your enamel.

Another old toothpaste was sage and salt.  That appeals to me more.

Of course there is always the old bi carbonate of soda.  This has added advantage it is alkali which helps combats acidity in mouth caused by too frequent snacking now everyone is sitting at home.
I suppose you could chop up some sage in that to make it a little more palatable.

Even better would be to chop up some fluoride tablets in it!!!

Get that Mortar and Pestle out


Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: suey on Wednesday 18 March 20 21:04 GMT (UK)
Quote
Does anyone know why it was soot and salt by the way.?  Can you imagine trying to rinse soot out of your teeth.

Goodness knows, but you can buy fancy charcoal toothpaste now which I suppose is based on it. It is supposed to make your teeth really white. Which it does...
The first time you use it, but only until you have abraded away all your enamel.

Another old toothpaste was sage and salt.  That appeals to me more.

Of course there is always the old bi carbonate of soda.  This has added advantage it is alkali which helps combats acidity in mouth caused by too frequent snacking now everyone is sitting at home.
I suppose you could chop up some sage in that to make it a little more palatable.

Even better would be to chop up some fluoride tablets in it!!!

Get that Mortar and Pestle out

Odd how things come back to mind.  I remember my Mum pounding chalk with peppermint oil. 
Here we all are bemoaning the fact that we can’t get a loo roll but our parents or grandparents did have to make  do with newspaper squares or homemade toothpaste.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Wednesday 18 March 20 21:20 GMT (UK)
I don't know about online shopping but I just called up Rosario, my favorite neighborhood fruit and veg lady, and she sent her husband round to our gate with: 10 lbs of carrots, 2 dozen oranges, a half dozen each of lemons, apples, tangerines, grenadillas and guavas, a large soursop, a head of broccoli, a little bag of green beans, six choclos [sweet corn], and 1 lb of chochos [lupine beans]. 
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 21:29 GMT (UK)
Phew... it's taken me from 7.30 to do my first online shop with Waitrose! Just as I got to the end up,popped a 'favourite' list...😤😤if it had done that at the beginning it would have been so much easier....

Anyway first delivery who knows as nothing came up but I can collect from the store but not till 13th April.... anyway I went ahead and hope that one of us will be ok to collect... at least won't have to go all round the store and hopefully can add to it if I need to.

Not sure I could go through it again but will see.... usually shop at Lidls and few bits at Waitrose so cost has been bit eye watering.

Erato - would love to have your Rosario to deliver all that beautiful fresh vegs ...

Caroline
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: clayton bradley on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:23 GMT (UK)
My son says newspapers can carry the virus for up to 3 days so he has quarantined the newspaper in the porch. I have tried googling "can I put newspaper in microwave to kill virus" and computer says no. Any suggestions, please
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:28 GMT (UK)
All the rumours are, that over 70s will have to self isolate for 4 months from this weekend - does anyone know if that is correct please?

Really serious issue! Haircuts! I have my hair cut every 5 weeks as it grows very quickly - if we have to self isolate - I'll be like Rapunzel by the time I'm let out.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:29 GMT (UK)
Put gloves on and Iron it like the Butler used to do,
Each page
Also stops newsprint coming off
If you do it slowly enough you can read it as you go lol
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Erato on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:43 GMT (UK)
Haircuts?

You're kidding, right?  Take out a pair of scissors and cut it yourself.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Gadget on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:44 GMT (UK)


Really serious issue! Haircuts! I have my hair cut every 5 weeks as it grows very quickly - if we have to self isolate - I'll be like Rapunzel by the time I'm let out.

I'm getting mine cut tomorrow!  Like you, it grows very fast and there's a lot of it.  I usually have it cut every 5 weeks and have about an inch off. This time I'm going to get 2 ins off or even more.


 :)

Erato - I used to cut mine when I had short hair but attempting it now would be very interesting to say the least  ;D
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 18 March 20 22:45 GMT (UK)
A word of warning, be sure to clean the bottom of the iron,you know how newsprint gets on your hands,well it will be on the sole plate too and will dirty what you iron ,iike nice white shirts!
Listen to your grandma!
Viktoria.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Roobarb on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:05 GMT (UK)
My son says newspapers can carry the virus for up to 3 days

Where has he got that information from? I've tried Googling it and not only can I not come up with anything from a reliable source I can't find it from any unreliable ones either! So many tales flying around and no idea what we should believe. Please don't tell me he read it on Facebook.  ::)
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:13 GMT (UK)
'I'm getting mine cut tomorrow!  Like you, it grows very fast and there's a lot of it.  I usually have it cut every 5 weeks and have about an inch off. This time I'm going to get 2 ins off or even more.'

Great forward planning Gadget -- wish I had thought of that.

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Caw1 on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:15 GMT (UK)
Haircuts are my dilemma too.... mine grows very quickly and is very thick... I could sell it for rethatching houses  we have several in the village...

goodness knows what it will be like in maybe up to  4 months time 😱😱😱😱my grandchildren won't recognise me...

 hope to goodness we don't have a hot summer or I might have to get my other half to put a pudding basin on my head and cut round it 😭😭😭

It's the thinning of it my hairdresser does with those special scissors... perhaps I could use the one that I've got to thin out herbs...

Caroline 
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: clayton bradley on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:18 GMT (UK)
Newspaper info is from his friend who is a doctor. I couldn't find anything either but banknotes can carry it. Thanks, will ask him if I am allowed to iron it.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: youngtug on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:32 GMT (UK)
My son says newspapers can carry the virus for up to 3 days

Where has he got that information from? I've tried Googling it and not only can I not come up with anything from a reliable source I can't find it from any unreliable ones either! So many tales flying around and no idea what we should believe. Please don't tell me he read it on Facebook.  ::)
I had a friend who was a newspaper reporter and he would never read library books  because he said that paper would carry germs for ages
I am not sure about the 3 day time scale but that does seem to be the period mentioned for the virus in other cases.
There is this little article I found, using google, although not specifically about Covid19. It did not take long to find, there are probably others.

https://myheartsisters.org/2013/12/09/waiting-room-magazines/
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: a chesters on Wednesday 18 March 20 23:38 GMT (UK)
Newspaper info is from his friend who is a doctor. I couldn't find anything either but banknotes can carry it. Thanks, will ask him if I am allowed to iron it.
Not a good idea with the plastic Australian notes ;D

Heard on the radio, from the Home Affairs Minister, that some of the "panic" buying is not "true" panic buying, but is being directed by criminal gangs. The various police forces have been told to check things out, as have Border Force, to prevent things going overseas.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: John915 on Thursday 19 March 20 00:49 GMT (UK)
Good morning,

I have 2 haircuts a year, occasionally 3. Next one not due for 5 mths.  ;D ;D ;D

John915
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: conahy calling on Thursday 19 March 20 01:29 GMT (UK)
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827231.0

Link to Part 3
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: despair on Thursday 19 March 20 11:11 GMT (UK)
There’s a new economic indicator
Labelled loo roll to pound inflation
If the new banknotes weren’t polymeric
They could be used for direct sanitation
With exchange rate to dollar declining
The value of sterling is now predicated
On a graphically complex presentation
Printed on recycled Izal Medicated

Roger
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: guest189040 on Thursday 19 March 20 11:58 GMT (UK)
Just been into Preston City Centre.

Roads there and back have a lot of traffic on them.

City Centre is business as usual except for a couple of shop chains that have temporarily closed down.  A lot of people are still milling around and ignoring the present recommendations.
Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: groom on Thursday 19 March 20 12:13 GMT (UK)
This needs closing as there is a new thread running

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827231.0

Title: Re: State of Emergency, Coronavirus (part 2)
Post by: Viktoria on Thursday 19 March 20 12:19 GMT (UK)
Oooh San  Izal
Medicated with a coal tar derivative!
Hmmmm.
Viktoria.