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Title: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: missctaylor91 on Wednesday 18 March 20 01:23 GMT (UK)
Hello!
 Can anyone help me? I have come across a brick wall tracing my ancestors and I cannot seem to get past it. I am looking for information on a man names JAMES TAYLOR, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk. Born abt. 1752 - d.1813. The only information I can find on him is:
Mother - Ann Taylor
Spouse - Margaret Gould

I cannot figure out who his dad is or who his mum's parents are? There doesn't seem to be much information about them. James is my direct 6x great grandfather.

If anyone can help get any information I would really appreciate it. I can't find birth certificates, census records - nothing! Only thing I found it a baptism record which states James and his mum Ann.

Thank you
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! FAMILY TREE BRICK WALL
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 18 March 20 01:50 GMT (UK)
JAMES TAYLOR, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk. Born abt. 1752 - d.1813

I can't find birth certificates, census records - nothing!

Perhaps you don't know that civil registration of births started in 1837 and the first useful census is 1841.

A church baptism record is all you will find.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! FAMILY TREE BRICK WALL
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 18 March 20 02:03 GMT (UK)
Is this the baptism you are referring to?  If so then James appears to be illegitimate so he probably didn't know who his father was either.

James TAYLOR
Baptism Date:    1 Feb 1752
Baptism Place:    Saint James, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk,England
Mother:    Ann TAYLOR

There is also another indexed baptism on the same day with mother named as Mary TAYLOR.  You would need to see the original register to know if there were two separate children or if it is an indexing error.

How have you determined that this is your James?  It is a very common name.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: PLEASE HELP! FAMILY TREE BRICK WALL
Post by: gobbitt on Wednesday 18 March 20 15:55 GMT (UK)
In the Revd Harvey's 1915 transcript (Suffolk Green Books vol. XVII part I (https://archive.org/details/burystedmundsstj01bury/page/n3/mode/2up)) you can also see that Ann Taylor had two younger "base" children baptized at the church of St James in Bury St Edmunds: Elizabeth (29 March 1756) and Mary (28 Sept.1766). These and earlier baptisms could be checked in new transcripts published on CD by the Suffolk Family History Society (Thingoe Deanery, 1650-1753 (https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/shop/index.php/thingoe-deanery-baptism-index-1650-1753.html) and 1754-1812 (https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/shop/index.php/thingoe-deanery-1754-1812-bpi-01-p2.html)).

The Society's burial index (https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/shop/index.php/suffolk-burial-index-cd-issue-2-bui-02.html) reveals their early deaths, along with an older "bb" (base-born) child, whose baptism is not apparent at Bury St Edmunds St James, where all three were buried: Walter (22 June 1749), Elizabeth (4 June 1757) and Mary (22 Nov. 1766).

The version of James Taylor's baptism in 1752 naming his mother Mary is doubly suspect. It gives the location as Sudbury without specifying a parish (All Saints, St Gregory or St Peter) so it's probably a poor copy of the annual register bill or bishop's transcript from St James, Bury St Edmunds, filed with the records of the Archdeaconry of Sudbury.

David
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: missctaylor91 on Wednesday 18 March 20 17:21 GMT (UK)
Hi David thanks for replying

This is the info I found on James you see:
James TAYLOR
Baptism Date:    1 Feb 1752
Baptism Place:    Saint James, Bury Saint Edmunds, Suffolk,England
Mother:    Ann TAYLOR

James married Margaret Gould- there are marriage records for them and they had children too and I am their descendant. I cannot find anything on a woman named Mary. I really donít know who Jamesí ancestors are
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: josey on Wednesday 18 March 20 20:11 GMT (UK)
James married Martha Abbott
Did you not say in the original post that his spouse was Margaret Gould? Perhaps he married twice....

There are far fewer records still in existence for before the 1750s, even if they were kept.
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: missctaylor91 on Wednesday 18 March 20 20:17 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry just changed it
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: gobbitt on Wednesday 18 March 20 21:46 GMT (UK)
I cannot find anything on a woman named Mary. I really donít know who Jamesí ancestors are

There is at least one Mary at Bury St Edmunds who may be of interest. On page 287 of the 1915 St James transcript (here (https://archive.org/details/burystedmundsstj01bury/page/287/mode/1up)) is the baptism of Anne, a "base child" of a widow named Mary Taylor, on 23 Nov. 1720.

Their family would need to be researched thoroughly to establish whether you are related, but the date is plausible for Ann(e) to be having children of her own between 1749 and 1766.

David
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: missctaylor91 on Thursday 19 March 20 14:06 GMT (UK)
Hi David

That is an interesting idea actually, definitely something else to look into. I would love to go to the records office but I donít live anywhere near bury st Edmunds. And everyone in the family I have spoken to have no clue either. Itís rather frustrating to me because I just want to know where I come from- only thing I know is that my ancestors lived in bury st Edmunds, Suffolk for about 400 years on record and I canít find anything if they come from somewhere else before
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: gobbitt on Thursday 19 March 20 16:41 GMT (UK)
While looking forward to the reopening of all the Suffolk archives offices when the Coronavirus (https://www.suffolkarchives.co.uk/suffolk-archives-coronavirus-update/) pandemic is history, there are several online sources to explore.

I'd recommend a new posting to RootsChat's Suffolk forum (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/suffolk/), asking whether anyone knows of a connection between Anne Taylor (bapt. 1720) and James (bapt. 1752). It would be helpful of you to provide a link to this page (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827174) to avoid unnecessary duplication of research.

If you have no luck with that and other websites, you don't have to join the Suffolk Family History Society before contacting a member whose interests include the Taylor family of Bury St Edmunds. See https://suffolkfhs.co.uk/index.php/interests.

Best of luck
David
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: missctaylor91 on Thursday 19 March 20 20:19 GMT (UK)
Thank you I will do!
Title: Re: Please help! Family tree brick wall
Post by: StefanD99 on Friday 20 March 20 17:42 GMT (UK)
Hello missctaylor91,
I'm not much more than a beginner myself, and this is a longshot I know. It is possible that Ann was married and her husband died shortly before she gave birth. This happened to an ancestor of mine. It might be worth looking for other births where Ann and a husband are recorded as parents. Sorry if you've already tried this.
Stefan