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Title: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Thursday 19 March 20 09:52 GMT (UK)
Hi all.

Frank Smith Murison was born in Cluny, Aberdeenshire, Scotland in 1881, parents George Smith and Isabel(la) Murison who never married. As an adult he gave his name as Frank Murrison Smith.

According to the 1921 census, Frank arrived in Canada in 1905 and settled in the Montreal region.

Frank died in Lynchburg, Virginia, USA in 1966, presumably visiting the family of his late brother George who had died there in 1953 and where his mother had died earlier in 1935 - or possibly his niece if she still lived in the area:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=777641.0

Frank's Virginia death record lists his wife's name as Catherine Donald Smith. The only online tree other than mine that has this family I have found presumes Donald was Catherine's surname but I suspect it may be her middle name. The 1921 census indicates she was born in Scotland about 1883 and arrived in Canada in 1905.  I have not found a marriage for Frank and Catherine in Scotland.

Catherine died in 1962 and they are buried together at Cimetière Mont-Royal, Outremont.

The 1921 census shows 4 daughters, Lena (13), Bella (12), Lillian (7) and Kathleen (1).

I am interested in finding marriage details for Frank & Catherine and confirming Catherine's maiden name.

I would also like to find out if there there were any more children after the 1921 census but I appreciate that is less than 100 years ago so could be restricted.

Any assistance gratefully received.
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:29 GMT (UK)

Death Notice for Frank - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
18 Oct 1966, Tue    Page 39

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/46942370/frank-murrison-smith/

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:33 GMT (UK)

Death Notice for Catherine Donald Smith - The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada - 28 Apr 1962, Sat    Page 51

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/46942418/catherine-smith-28-april-1962/

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:38 GMT (UK)
The 1911 census Montreal Ste Marie Quebec.

Frank Smith   30 Catherine Smith   28
Lena Smith   3
Bella Smith   2
Allen Donald   21

1921 census Delormier Ward, Montreal.

Frank Smith   39
Catherine Smith   38
Lina Smith   13
Saba Smith   12 (could be Bella)
Lellian Smith   7
Katheleen Smith 1

Sandra

Added Kathleen Smith married George Christopher Rice in 1938





Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:41 GMT (UK)
Canadian Attestation Papers for Alan Donald - 23/12/1890 born Aberdeen Scotland. Relative Mother Catherine Lyon Donald Gorkstone/ Goutstone /Gowkstone   ???Aberdeen Scotland,. Might be slow to load but 80 pages of info.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B2580-S028

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:47 GMT (UK)

Obituary for Arthur Bracewell (husband of Lillian Smith Bracewell)

The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada 22 Nov 1986, Sat    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/46942521/obituary-for-arthur-bracewell/

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:54 GMT (UK)

Ross Walter Bracewell (with photograph) - son of Lillian and Arthur Bracewell.

Published on June 1, 2010

https://montrealgazette.remembering.ca/obituary/ross-bracewell-1065931611

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 10:58 GMT (UK)
Canadian Passenger List for Allan Donald born 1890 - travels Glasgow to Quebec on the Saturnia - arriving 19 June 1910 - going to brother and sister -  Montreal .

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:03 GMT (UK)
Possible - 1891 census Midmar, Aberdeenshire.

Parish Midmar ED 6 Page 2 Line 15

George Donald   35
Catharine Donald 35
Elsie Donald   13
Flora Donald   9
Catharine Donald 7
Albert Donald   5
Jemima Donald   3
Allan Donald   1

1901 census Goukstone Aberdeen (Catherine is not on this census)

Parish Midmar ED 6 Page 5 Line 11

George Donald   45
Catherine Donald   45
Flora Donald   19
Jemina Donald   13
Allan Donald   11
Agnes Donald   3
George Lyon   19

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:06 GMT (UK)
Canadian Passenger List for a Cath Donald - born 1884 and aged 22 years - domestic - Aberdeen - Glasgow to Montreal - arriving 26 June 1906 - Sicilian

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:34 GMT (UK)

Possibility for parents marriage -

Catherine Lyon and George Donald LYON - 1876 - 181/ 3 - Cluny (Aberdeen)

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:45 GMT (UK)

Could this be the birth of Catherine Lyon - Catharine Lyon
Birth Date 29 Mar 1856 - Birth Place Cluny,Aberdeen,Scotland
Father Duncan Lyon -Mother Catharine Calder.

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:48 GMT (UK)

Catherine Lyon Donald - East Leschangie Kemnay Aberdeenshire  died 22 November 1934 at Kemnay
Confirmation Aberdeen 1 March 1935 - to Agnes Donald or Chalmers Waulkendale Dunecht, her daughter, next of kin.  Effects £222 18 6

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 11:51 GMT (UK)

George Donald of Goukstone Midmar Aberdeen died 24 April 1915 - Confirmation to Catherine Lyon or Donald - widow - sealed London 4 August 1915 - London England.

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 19 March 20 13:01 GMT (UK)

The 1921 census shows 4 daughters, Lena (13), Bella (12), Lillian (7) and Kathleen (1).


The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Tuesday, September 28, 1993 - 63

Obit: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p77/

Burial: https://geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/1044491
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 19 March 20 14:27 GMT (UK)
From the Drouin Collection...image available on Anc..y (and possibly familysearch ?)

Frank Murison Smith, Bachelor, Teamster, son of George Smith and Isabella Murison married Catherine Donald, Spinster, daughter of George Donald and Catherine Lyons 17 Aug 1907, Taylor Presbyterian Church Register.

PB
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 14:35 GMT (UK)
That's great, it confirms those parents listed earlier in the thread.

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 19 March 20 16:56 GMT (UK)
Frank served in the CEF (Overseas Canadian Expeditionary Force) in WW1. His digitized service record is at the link below courtesy of Library and Archives Canada. Click at the PDF towards the bottom of the page to access the record. There are 54 pages and it will be slow to download. Catherine and his first 3 daughters are listed on one of the pages.

https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=236662

PB

PS....he gives a birth year of 1883 on his attestation but there is a birth year of 1881 recorded on one of the other pages, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 17:36 GMT (UK)
There is a Canadian Passenger List for Frank Murison born 1882 Aberdeen and aged 24 years - Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada to Halifax Nova Scotia - arriving 12 April 1906 on the Corinthian.
Also a John Murison 23 years on that same ship. Both cattlemen.

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 17:41 GMT (UK)

Could he be this one ?

Frank Smith Murrison Birth Date 6 Jul 1881 Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
Mother Isabella Murrison.
Wonder if the mother of Frank/Francis remarried.............

1891 Cluny, Aberdeenshire.

Parish Cluny ED 2 Page 6 Line 19

James Calder   55 Agnes Calder   54
Agnes Calder   19 Susan Calder 11
John Paterson   24
Robert Williamson   49 Isabella Williamson   40
Jane S Morrison   14 Francis S Morrison 9

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 19 March 20 17:52 GMT (UK)
I believe mother Isabella may have remarried. I have just been looking at Frank and Catherine's findagrave entry and there is also a parent record for an Isabella Smith Murrison Williams.

PB
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 18:11 GMT (UK)

Marriage of Isabella

Isabella Murrison to Robert Williamson  - 1885 - 181/ 7 - Cluny (Aberdeen)

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 18:27 GMT (UK)

Parents were George Smith and Isabella Murrison who never married. Isabella did make the journey to Lynchburgh where the older brother George lived.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/158566706

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 18:31 GMT (UK)
New York Passenger List -    Isabel Williamson born 1850 Skene Scotland and aged 79 years. Housekeeper and widowed.  Glasgow to New York on the California arriving 23 September 1929 - on the California - son Mr George Smith - Longhorn Road. Lynchburg.
There is also a Mary Ann Thomson Williamson travelling with her - single - mill worker -

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 19 March 20 18:36 GMT (UK)
I believe there is further info about Mary in the link posted by the OP in the first post.

PB
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Thursday 19 March 20 18:38 GMT (UK)
Mary Ann's middle name was Thom rather than Thomson as listed on the shipping record.

I have never found any evidence that Isabel(la) Murison and George Smith married and her marriage
 to Robert Williamson would be her first.

Thank you so much for the confirmation of Catherine's details and that there were no other children.  Very much appreciated!
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 19 March 20 19:08 GMT (UK)
You are very welcome.
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Thursday 19 March 20 20:28 GMT (UK)
There is a Canadian Passenger List for Frank Murison born 1882 Aberdeen and aged 24 years - Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada to Halifax Nova Scotia - arriving 12 April 1906 on the Corinthian.
Also a John Murison 23 years on that same ship. Both cattlemen.

I suspect this may be Frank's maternal 1st cousin, John Alexander Murison born in 1883 in Kintore, Aberdeenshire who eventually settled in Ontario.
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 19 March 20 21:02 GMT (UK)
Yes that is correct. John Murison born 1 st March 1883 Kintore Aberdeen - 92 Gordon Highlanders.
spouse Elizabeth -  56 pages on the digitalised file.

http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B6502-S029

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Friday 20 March 20 00:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you!

It looks like Bella pre-deceased her parents.

I have found her baptism as Isabella Murison Smith, parents Frank Murison Smith & Catherine Donald, born 11 March 1909 and baptised on 25 August. 



Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Friday 20 March 20 00:15 GMT (UK)
The page immediately prior to the one with the baptism for Isabella has the baptism of Lena Murison Smith on the same date, 25 Aug 1909. She was born 31 Dec 1907.

For some reason there was a marriage record between the 2 baptism records. I think it's because baptisms are recorded on the one side and marriages on the facing page.

PB
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Friday 20 March 20 00:30 GMT (UK)
It wasn't her parents' marriage, either, although that would not have surprised me with my Smith/Murison families.  I didn't expect her full name to be Lena.

Kathleen's birth 27 February 1920 and baptism 14 June.
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: polarbear on Friday 20 March 20 02:37 GMT (UK)
Lillian
B. 25 Apr 1914
Bapt. 05 Apr 1916 at 883 Craig St E (I think that was their home address)
Taylor Presbyterian Church Register
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Friday 20 March 20 19:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks again for the extra info!
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 March 20 09:32 GMT (UK)
Isabella Smith    10 January 1928 Royal Victoria Hospital Montreal - Baptist Pointe-St-Charles -   buried 12 January 1928  Hawthorn Dale Cemetery.
Daughter of Frank Smith and Catherine Donald

Sandra
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Saturday 21 March 20 10:36 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 March 20 10:55 GMT (UK)
Isabella Smith as listed in reply 34 - did not ses a listing on Find A Grave at Hawthorn Dale Cemetery.

Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: Seaton Smithy on Saturday 21 March 20 20:34 GMT (UK)
Thank you!
Title: Re: SMITH, Frank Murrison & Catherine Donald - Montreal Region
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 22 March 20 14:43 GMT (UK)
Pleased we found her for you.

Sandra